GigaBowser
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John Linnerman: Switch 2 likely to be architecturally superior than PS4 Pro but limited in other ways
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Giallo Corsa
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Grabbing my popcorn !
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
So you're paraphrasing rather than quoting things as actually said and also doing this from someone who is clearly just guessing rather than hinting any kind of inside knowledge. Why are you like this? Why not just, be better?
Superior doesn't only mean more powerful, requiring less wattage for equivalent result (in game x, which doesn't mean it can also necessarily scale up to game y or z in the same way) is one such way it can be very superior
Superior doesn't only mean more powerful, requiring less wattage for equivalent result (in game x, which doesn't mean it can also necessarily scale up to game y or z in the same way) is one such way it can be very superior
Stfu, thread has been edited since. Like it wasn't enough to have a thread about the original tweet, we get a thread for a reply to the tweet and what's next, a thread for a reply to the reply of the tweet? Whatever, enjoy it, lol.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
switch 1 50 times less powerful then ps4 pro and they made totks switch 2 will explode thank you my friends
Banjo64
cumsessed
True but it’s not really like for like as the PS4 pro was probably 8 times the mass of the Switch 2.
BlackTron
Member
Yeah that's actually a very logical reply to that tweet.
Yes, Switch 2 will have much newer and more efficient tech than PS4. No, Switch 2 won't be plugged into a wall with a power supply delivering 300 watts. It's an asymmetrical comparison that is just for "rough ballpark what it can do" purposes.
Yes, Switch 2 will have much newer and more efficient tech than PS4. No, Switch 2 won't be plugged into a wall with a power supply delivering 300 watts. It's an asymmetrical comparison that is just for "rough ballpark what it can do" purposes.
Zathalus
Member
Better in CPU, RAM amount, GPU feature set, GPU upscaling. Worse in memory bandwidth, overall GPU power.
Without knowing final clocks it is hard to tell, but since it appears to be Samsung 8nm GPU power should be close to the Deck in portable mode (so between a Xbox One and PS4) and probably between a PS4 and PS4 Pro in docked mode. It does have the advantage of that better feature set and DLSS though.
Without knowing final clocks it is hard to tell, but since it appears to be Samsung 8nm GPU power should be close to the Deck in portable mode (so between a Xbox One and PS4) and probably between a PS4 and PS4 Pro in docked mode. It does have the advantage of that better feature set and DLSS though.
Badlucktroll
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BlackTron
Member
It's probably closer to 30 times. I just moved mine the other day.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
The reason I'd be happy about PS4 Pro level hardware is because Nintendo doesn't focus on super high fidelity visuals. I just want their games to have the usual stylized art and actually run well. PS4 Pro specs would allow for that.
I mean, yeah - ports from other current systems are going to be trash, but that's typically the case. Multiplatform games are not what make a Nintendo console special.
I mean, yeah - ports from other current systems are going to be trash, but that's typically the case. Multiplatform games are not what make a Nintendo console special.
LectureMaster
Member
Line up mofos.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
ps4 pro weights allllllllmost more then me this is a miracle nvida are my hero
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
‘superior in many ways’ isn’t really interchangeable with ‘more powerful’ as you’ve used it.
The Switch GPU will support AI upscaling via DLSS, an option not available to the PS4 Pro. It’ll also have Ray tracing and other newer features introduced with Ampere. In these, it’s undeniably superior to the old GPU in the PS4 Pro.
In raw rendering performance, it will be less powerful.
winjer
Member
From the leaks we had so far, it seems to be Ampere based. So it's 2020 hardware.
Still, there is so much we don't know, it will be difficult to say what aspects will be better.
AI and RT are for sure, simply because the Pro had nothing to accelerate these calculations.
But the rest remains in doubt.
ShadyAcshuns
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namenotfound
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It's a certainty that the CPU will be better. The CPU was trash in 2013 and was still trash in the Pro. It was netbook trash cores. GPU, comparing zero ray tracing cores and zero tensor cores to some of both is an obvious win one way. There's probably some shaders that are feasible to write on with the more modern hardware feature set than what was on the family of graphics cards from 2012/2013. There are probably audio/video/image formats and hardware compression/decompression that weren't there in 2013 that a Switch 2 may have. Whether that be stuff like AV1 or data formats specifically designed to be processed by a graphics card or a some other block of hardware that isn't usually normal to be packaged with CPUs or GPUs
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Josemayuste
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Nintendo developed Tears of the kingdom with Switch hardware, I don't care about hardware, I care more about how it's used and what for.
PatientGamer
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so this means Nintendo will finally gonna have a proper HD console then?
Mr Moose
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You were wrong though, so...?
Line up mofos.
John isn't saying it either.
games couldn’t run at 1080p when the industry said it was HD a years ago and games can’t run at 4k on current hardware….
Line up mofos.
It's likely to offer similar looking games upscaled with newer tech and newer games. It's not going to be a PS4 Pro in portable form though. It's likely to have more RAM, lower GPU power, with upscaling to make up for it to offer just a similar overall experience. A bit like the series s that Tom warren was saying is "faster than a PS5".
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Horseganador
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"""That is funny because it’s likely to be quite superior in many ways due to using modern Nvidia architecture with access to features the PS4 Pro does not. As a portable device, though, it’ll be limited in other, different areas"""
Better architecture but less raw power
Better architecture but less raw power
ChorizoPicozo
Member
New architectures are supposedly better/more efficient. Right?.
It seems the Switch 2 is going to rely heavily on ML upscaling. I think the only relevant aspect of the Switch 2 is how it will influence the dynamics of the "Handhelds Warz" price and third-party support.
I have to assume PlayStation is working on a handheld close in price to the Switch (still more expensive) but not as expensive as PC handhelds.
realizing that graphics are dead I just wonder if these handhelds will push devs to actually optimize their games.
It seems the Switch 2 is going to rely heavily on ML upscaling. I think the only relevant aspect of the Switch 2 is how it will influence the dynamics of the "Handhelds Warz" price and third-party support.
I have to assume PlayStation is working on a handheld close in price to the Switch (still more expensive) but not as expensive as PC handhelds.
realizing that graphics are dead I just wonder if these handhelds will push devs to actually optimize their games.
He wasn't the one who used it.The thread creator did in the title.
BlackTron
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I give it one week before we are finally in the danger zone of a reveal possibly happening. At this point, I'm practically more stoked to learn about games, because I'm reasonably confident we're getting an iterative Switch sequel at a mass-market price that plays games much better than Switch 1 already