Most games on PS5 right now are not 60FPS. Why tf would their portable be able to do it?!
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John Linnerman: Switch 2 likely to be architecturally superior than PS4 Pro but limited in other ways
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StreetsofBeige
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Probably the best console I ever bought at release.
BC, boosted games, a big jump in power, 4k drive, faster UI. Amazingly, it was also a small form factor and quiet too. A good looking matte black/gray system that had a traditional AV equipment design. No freakish shell or colours. Resembled a PS2 OG.
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Fabieter
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A intel dual core basically performed like the the jaguar cpu and you are telling me that wasn't shit? AMD just didn't have anything other than that for consoles. A bulldozer cpu would have killed the ps4 for sure. It was their only option.
Buggy Loop
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And we don't know if they haven't added functionalities specifically for Nintendo, as per patent .
The PS4 Pro didn't have 16GB GDDR or an SSD. It wouldn't really need it if it's a PS4 Pro equivalent.
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Giallo Corsa
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What do you mean Adi ? 99% of the games on the XSX and PS5 do in fact have a 60fps/performance mode - many of them are not obviously able to have it locked but, fact remains that there are more 60fps ones than 30fps-only ones.
When it comes to their eventual portables, I fully expect them to feature their usual graphics and performance options (no matter how downgraded from their big bro/proper console versions).
Maybe I should have also asked if people think that the switch 2 games will also feature both graphics and performance options (?)
Does the switch have any games where you get presented with the option btw ?
StreetsofBeige
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The typical Nintendo buyer doesnt care about third party games. It's all about a great price, first party games and in Switch's case, a hybrid system.
Nobody has cared about third party games since SNES. The second N64 came out and since then third party games have always been majorly gimped in terms of releases or gameplay. Even EA (the biggest milkers of franchises) doesnt even bother making a lot of EA Sports games for Nintendo systems for decades. And if they do, it'd be some weird shit like Wii Madden All stars instead of just a regular Madden.
People wanting great third party games will go other platforms.
Fake
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For the time? Wasn't. Octa-Core CPU, first X86 for consoles, one dedicated for OS. Just tell me what console for the time was doing this?
Unless you are comparing a computer specs with a console specs.
And why bring Intel when even Nintendo Switch will not use Intel LOL?
My point here is I'm using console to console comparison, not PC standards. I have bad news for you. If you use PC discussion to downplay the PS4 outdated CPU, you will have a very hard time with Nintendo Switch 2 CPU.
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Fabieter
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Diminishing returns are hitting harder each gen. So no differences will get smaller. And they have better tech with nvidia.
No it does not, but I don't know that 99% have those options on PSX. But let's see what those portables will bring.
Soapbox Killer
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Yeah me too. I only bought into the Xbox One eco-system to play Quantum Break and I'll argue to the end that it was money well spent however, my nephew broke it by seeing just how many disc he could shove into the drive. The upgrade to the ONE X almost felt next-gen, it just didn't have the exclusives to push it but Gears 4/5 looks AMAZING on that box.
Fabieter
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Bro the cpu in the ps3 was not that far behind with the jaguar. It's not controversial to say that cpu was garbage. They made some awesome games happen with that. You are downplaying ARM like thats some bad thing to have.
I'll take every bet that the cpu in the switch 2 is closer to ps5 than it is to ps4.
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Fake
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You are having a hard time reading my post. Just search at Google when PS4 launch. Is very easy to downplay the PS4 CPU right now and ignoring the time when PS4 was release.
You either downplay the PS4 CPU and Nintendo Switch 2 CPU at the same time or neither. Is not hard to understand.
demigod
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You were wrong and still are. Tom “i don’t know anything about specs” Warren implied that it’s weaker than the ps4 pro.
Line up mofos.
Fabieter
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It was weak back then, and it remains weak now. I thought it was universally agreed that the Jaguar CPU has always been underpowered.
Fake
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PS4 was fine for the time. You can also watch Digital Foundry videos if you disagree.
Fabieter
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It was because it was basically their only choice at the time.
Fake
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Glad we agree.
Fabieter
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Yes but that doesn't mean it's great. There wasn't a choice to make. It was this or not selling a console at all.
Fake
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I never said was amazing.
The point here is to keep your expectations in check. The 'shit CPU' reputation that PS4 got was when in some point PS4 start to struggle with 60 fps games and devs start to blame the CPU.
Ryzen wasn't ready for base PS4 and Sony need a cheap component to sell at low loss.
Same will happen here. Nintendo Switch 2 will sure have a surprise CPU. Probably won't be the star of NS2. GPU will care most of the job.
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Well I would hope it would be architecturally superior to relatively ancient gcn tech in the pro. I mean even ampere is superior to anything amd has currently architecturally. In terms of power and compute though I don't see it matching a ps4pro more like between the ps4 and pro. That being said with a significantly better cpu dlss and massive architecture efficiencies it will no doubt have some impressive showcases.
Hoddi
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I don't think there's any question the CPU will be faster than PS4 Pro given the original Switch wasn't much slower to start with. PS4 had twice the cores but per-core performance was otherwise very similar. I'll be surprised if Switch 2 doesn't have 8 much faster cores than the 4 in Switch 1.
Full comparison here.
Full comparison here.
Mr Moose
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Yes, they are. Most games this gen have at least a 60fps option.
diffusionx
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No the gap is getting smaller, because these consoles are just not the advancement they used to be.
Like, SNES and PS2 was a 9 year gap for perspective
Fabieter
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So according chatgpt the rumored cpu in the switch 2 is gonna be
The Tegra T239 CPU in the Switch 2 is 3-5x stronger than the PS4 CPU in both single-core and multi-core performance, while consuming significantly less power. This makes the Tegra T239 vastly superior in every way, delivering modern gaming performance and efficiency suitable for a portable hybrid console.
While
The PS5 CPU is 1.5-2x stronger than the Tegra T239 CPU in terms of raw computational power. However, this comes at the cost of much higher power consumption, making the Tegra T239 more suitable for portable gaming devices like the Switch 2. While the Tegra T239 can't match the PS5 CPU for high-end gaming, it delivers excellent performance for its power envelope and use case.
It all depends on clockapeed for the final product tho. But it seems to be way closer to the ps5 than it is to the ps4 pro and the ps4.
daclynk
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DoktorCoktor
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I give it one week before we are finally in the danger zone of a reveal possibly happening. At this point, I'm practically more stoked to learn about games, because I'm reasonably confident we're getting an iterative Switch sequel at a mass-market price that plays games much better than Switch 1 already
bundylove
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But one problem remains.
Lets just say most people here own another console next to switch. Why wouldnt you.
But they still play 3rd party games on other systems not just for performance reason but also social aspect of it .
And those third party games are either on gamepass or on sale down the line , like few months in.
On nintendo you dont see those type of discounts.
I guess what i am getting at is , i believe there will be some support at the beginning for third party but later it will be very selective.
As is the case for the last 10 plus years.
So even if it would as powerful as a ps5, third party sales on it would be still very low.
That's weird because the images were showing for me before. Now they've disappeared. Maybe he edited them out?
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Fabieter
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You don't see the discounts on Nintendo games but the third party sales are comparable to other consoles.
What gave you that silly idea? Most games have 60fps. It's the 30fps games that are a small minority.
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bundylove
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The pro had 16gig ram. Out of that 12 or 13 where dedicated to games or even 14 as they added another gig slow sytem memory ram to allow more for games.
If wr look at series s, its biggest problem is ram . Even if you have dlss on switch, you still end up with low res textures due to memory constrains.
hinch7
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Not really a hot take. My guess is that it'll be moderately more powerful than a Steam Deck, which is still miles away from a PS4 Pro in pure compute.
It will have more advanced shaders and access to more modern feature sets over the PS4 Pro though (custom GCN 2.0). Which is what John is alluding to. Plus way more VRAM to play around with.
It will have more advanced shaders and access to more modern feature sets over the PS4 Pro though (custom GCN 2.0). Which is what John is alluding to. Plus way more VRAM to play around with.
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bundylove
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The moment nintendo comes out with its own gamepass or ps premium, allowing to access any old gen game, classics etc., it will shit on the competition.
But nintendo is and alwasy was greedy as fuck.
Fabieter
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Do you mean the ps5 pro because the ps4 pro had 8gb with one gb slow memory extra.
The PS4 Pro has 8GB GDDR5 and 1GB DDR3 for the OS.
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Fabieter
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Do you actually play most of the stuff that's coming to ps+? If iam interested in a game than I already own the stuff I want. It's a waste of money to have +. With they would stop to force it for mp gaming.
TexMex
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This isn’t a system war thing. Idk what PS5 even has to do with the conversation.
It’s about releasing something, again, that is woefully dated tech the day it comes out. Switch games by and large run like absolute ass because it has the power of a damn tablet from 2011. Even Nintendo’s own games run like total shit. Echoes of Wisdom is terrible, Links’s Awakening not being much better. Tears of the Kingdom literally dropping frames into the teens. Really tame games like Kirby and Paper Mario being stuck at 30fps. And on and on.
I don’t need it to be a powerhouse. It doesn’t have to be a PS5 Pro. But I don’t want it to be quite literally a decade old tech the day it comes out either. We just had to deal with that.
bundylove
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I stand corrected. Yes 8gig of gddr5.
But again it was slow hence why xbox x with its 12 was able to push out 4k textures more so than ps.
bundylove
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Ps premium. Not plus.
Yes i like to play older psone and ps2 games.
Just replayed dino crisis.
Fabieter
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Yea but the switch 2 is rumored to have at least 12gb which is comparable to series s.
I was subbed for years. Won't renew in February, it's just disappointing waste of money imo.
Won't matter in the end if they have a grea suite of games for launch or the first year. I suspect they will try to repeat the 2017 launch as best as possible, with several heavy hitters.
Truth be told, the hardware is whatever it is, expect to be disappointed. But the games are what matters, always has been.
Truth be told, the hardware is whatever it is, expect to be disappointed. But the games are what matters, always has been.
bundylove
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While true , i get my money back here and there.
There are always some games that soften the blow and now with added psvr2 games i get even more out of it.
I just saw this and curious , will the switch 2 produce these visuals at bare minimum?
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Fabieter
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It depends if you prefer hyper realistic games than most of Nintendo first party games won't give you what you need.
I mean would you call ni no kuni ps3 ugly because the last of us is on the same console?
Exactly. This is the first time we're about to witness a big graphical jump for Nintendo games, as the Wii U to Switch era is very minor in terms of raw graphical upgrades.
StreetsofBeige
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Last Nintendo system I had was SNES. But I'm always interested to see what kind of system they have, the rock bottom price compared to PS/Xbox, and what kind of great first party games they can squeeze out of underpowered systems.
kevboard
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this basically describes a 4x reconstruction method it seems. so the equivalent of DLSS Performance mode.
I wonder if they are working on an optimised version of DLSS perfomance mode specifically.
the patent talks about clusters of 4 pixels, and in the examples they use 540p to 1080p.
DLSS perfomance mode does have visible issues at lower resolutions. the further below 1080p internally you go, the less convincing the final image looks.
so for handheld mode specifically it might be a good idea to focus on improving the temportal quality of a 4x scale. maybe they are focusing on 540p nativ res in handheld mode and 1080p native res in docked mode, and heavily lean on DLSS to then reconstruct to 1080p and 2160p respectively.
given the GPU power of the T239, it would also help if this specialized reconstruction method is as lightweight as possible, as upsampling from 1080p to 2160p is not trivial even on modern Nvidia GPUs
CoreyFlawless
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If it more powerful then ps4 pro. That be amazing. I be surprised tho. For a portable device. Don’t get me wrong. It could play ps4 pro games. But more likely be 720p. There only so much power draw they can do