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Kojima: Microsoft Understood ‘Unusual’ Game when Others ‘thought he was mad’
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March Climber
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(The post above mine)
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Unknown?
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Why anyone ever got fooled by cloud marketing is beyond me. There is no cloud, it's just somebody else's computer.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"You make game for Game Pass, here is a bag of money, UNDERSTOOD?"
"Understood, and you will rike it."
Understood.
"Understood, and you will rike it."
Understood.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A.Romero
Member
Funny how Kojima promising doing something different with a big budget gets hate but there are dozens of threads about how game design is stalling.
Will it be truly ground breaking? We can't tell just now but the possibility should be enough to get hyped or at least indifferent to it. It shouldn't matter if it's Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo footing the bill. The important thing is that the game exists.
If innovation cannot be accepted with open arms by the hobbyist market segment it will definitely not get accepted by the mainstreaming.
Don't forget: not paying for it is ALWAYS an option. Hating something we haven't seen is just dumb.
Will it be truly ground breaking? We can't tell just now but the possibility should be enough to get hyped or at least indifferent to it. It shouldn't matter if it's Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo footing the bill. The important thing is that the game exists.
If innovation cannot be accepted with open arms by the hobbyist market segment it will definitely not get accepted by the mainstreaming.
Don't forget: not paying for it is ALWAYS an option. Hating something we haven't seen is just dumb.
twilo99
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Xbox is pure evil and not allowed to have any support.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Kojima's game has a major advantage in partnering with Microsoft for this: Game Pass. The major advantage of Game Pass that still to this very day escapes many is that Microsoft is making money off its first-party projects by grouping them all together in Game Pass and attracting more subscribers while maintaining the existing ones they already have, thus making Microsoft a lot more money than those games would have ever made them without Game Pass.
Xbox first-party titles no longer have the sole pressure of needing to sell a certain amount anymore. As long as it's added to the Game Pass catalog, it will attract new subscribers and/or keep existing subscribers. The simple act of knowing titles will eventually come to Game Pass is another factor that both adds new subscribers and/or maintains existing subscribers.
That's the secret of the Game Pass payment model compared to the traditional one-time purchase model payment model. It is why Microsoft has become so bullish as of late spending $7.5 billion and $68.7 billion on gaming-related acquisitions.
Xbox first-party titles no longer have the sole pressure of needing to sell a certain amount anymore. As long as it's added to the Game Pass catalog, it will attract new subscribers and/or keep existing subscribers. The simple act of knowing titles will eventually come to Game Pass is another factor that both adds new subscribers and/or maintains existing subscribers.
That's the secret of the Game Pass payment model compared to the traditional one-time purchase model payment model. It is why Microsoft has become so bullish as of late spending $7.5 billion and $68.7 billion on gaming-related acquisitions.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
This shit will probably be weird as fuck, but it'll be day one on Game Pass. Therefore..
SportsFan581
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I'm interested to see how they utilize the cloud tech. I think you could do some cool things with a second screen where the phone/tablet as a monitor/TV working in tandem.
SportsFan581
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This shit will probably be weird as fuck, but it'll be day one on Game Pass. Therefore..
The brilliance of GP, you can never lose. If you love it, great, look at the $ you saved. If it's just meh or you didn't like it at all, look at the $ you saved.
Killer8
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Maybe they should judging by the last couple of years of Xbox's release calendar.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
JUST LIKE THAT. It's that simple. That's Game Pass in a nutshell. And you still have hundreds of other games and other new game pass additions to occupy your time with if you prefer something else. You just can't lose.
darrylgorn
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"like a new medium"
Reminds me of David Bowie before Bowie World.
Reminds me of David Bowie before Bowie World.
SportsFan581
Member
It's a real paradigm shift in gaming. I couldn't even imagine gaming without it at this point.
QR is kind of like that for me as well, I look at the new PC hardware when it gets launched, but really I wouldn't want to be without QR in 2022.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Plenty of games to play on the Xbox game pass the last couple of years.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
That's exactly my view. I literally can't do without Game Pass at this stage. It's too addicting. It's like when you were a kid and use to go into stores that sold games, and you would judge what you want to pick up based on liking the cover art or the back of the case. Game Pass is that on steroids without the cost associated. Or like walking into blockbuster with your card, dropping $9.99 or $14.99 and just walking out with everything in the store. Game Pass makes me feel like I'm back in elementary and middle school. Can try all these games with zero risk or concern about possibly wasting my money.
With my automatic lack of trust of reviewers as is, in the years prior to Game Pass I was starting to become a lot pickier in what games I buy outside of the games I was 100% certain were tailor made for me to love. With Game Pass that's not a concern anymore. I get to try everything and come away happy I did much more often than not.
The Tourmaline Gorilla
Banned
This is nothing new to MS, not entirely. They've been known for taking bigger risks than other publishers. Lately games like Pentiment and High On Life are indicative of this.
Even a game like Quantum Break (which MS owns the IP to) is very experimental in its execution of story-telling, with half of the story being told through the TV show.
I remember when, just as the Xbox One launched and MS was venturing into the TV show publishing thing. They were heavily invested in the idea of "interactive TV shows", using video games to branch the two mediums. In fact, Quantum Break was an introduction to that idea. Things got scrapped when the higher-ups decided to squash all of those plans, and Phil just decided to double-down on bread-and-butter gaming. But, I reckon, they're still very much open to those concepts.
Thirty7ven
Banned
They understood his name next to Xbox on a stage.
In Cold Blood
Banned
Sony doesn't have the cloud abilities that MS have. It would have been between Amazon, MS or Google.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think that's the issue, they are already partnered with Microsoft for the azure cloud infrastructure.
Microsoft and Sony sign cloud gaming deal
Console rivals Microsoft and Sony have signed a landmark deal that will see the latter utilise the former’s Azure data centres for its cloud gaming and content streaming services . Under the...
www.pcgamesinsider.biz
I don't think they have said it, but PS+ streaming could already be using it.
nocsi
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So instead of individualism of games, games can succeed in the collective whole that is GamePass? GamePass is communism
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fess
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Yeah, I’ve been gaming for 40 years and I’ve never been so aboard on anything gaming related as I am with Gamepass. It’s the best. It’s Spotify. It’s Netflix. But for games.
Pedro Motta
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Pedro Motta
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Use coherence.
Cheezewizz
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Clear examples of people being what I can only assume... Are Sony fans that aren't fond of the idea of Kojima and Xbox working together.
Of course it's MS who's desperate beyond belief, and would do anything to get the chance to work with Kojima. Because it's not as if Sony didn't perform god knows what kind of kinky sexual acts, offer up their first born children, throw every dollar available back when Sony was close to still being in the red. Just to give Kojima the keys to everything Playstation like their Decima Engine.... So he could make yet another 3rd person cinematic singleplayer game. If that weren't enough. Once Sony was completely turned out by Kojima, wasn't it Google who was standing next in line to get on his nuts?
According to GAF, Microsoft has been more than able to compete with the likes of Sony and Google in matters such as these. Of course now that Stadia has flopped, and Kojima is needing someone with Cloud infrastructure.... It's MS who is desperate.
K2D
Banned
Although a more FUD-angle to this rumor -I've been down the Kojima-rabbit hole before, and I don't want to entertain any more of it!
Also wasn't DS1 at 8 million recently?
Hoppa
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Death Stranding
remember_spinal
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
When Kojima has been Kojima'ing for so long that his actual interview responses sound like parody shit posting someone here would do.
K2D
Banned
Must have been Days Gone or Ghost of Tsushima. 5 million, yeah I can see why they weren't happy with that.
IMO an error on Kojimas part having the game start so slow. Ultimately an amazing experience!
remember_spinal
Banned
The funny thing is, 5-7 million is about what the most popular Metal Gear Solid games sold. I think V did around 6 million so Death Stranding is inline with how the rest of his games sell.
People think Metal Gear Solid is a much bigger franchise than it actually was. It was still a niche ‘weird’ stealth game. Not this action blockbuster its talked about as today
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3liteDragon
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Wonder what engine he's gonna be using for this.
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remember_spinal
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UE5, what else
SportsFan581
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Exactly my case as well. I had basically slipped into only playing franchises I was familiar with, now I try all different kinds of things.
Rhazer Fusion
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Isn’t this the same game that Sony and even the Google Stadia team turned down? Makes me wonder what kind of experience it really is if they turned it down. I’ll try to be open and optimistic because it’s Kojima. I got a feeling that the game is not going to be close to traditional though.
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remember_spinal
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Sony doesnt have the cloud infrastructure to build an entire game around and Stadia didn’t reject it, they winded down operations before their publishing deals got started.
High on Life and The Quarry were also supposed to be Stadia exclusives. A lot of the teams working at google/stadia gaming is now at sony
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Odds are it'll be Unreal.
But they had some kind of a prototype in 2021, which was probably on some version of Decima if I were to take a guess.
Boneless
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that fine line between genius and insanity
remember_spinal
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Usual for Kojima
SenkiDala
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You're wrong mate, I owned every Xbox console on day one since the first one, I've never done that with any other manufacturers. I'm just critical when I see them do things I don't like, and the lack of exclusives since a decade, on Xbox, is really something I dislike.
Kojima is probably the creator I love the most in the industry, the one that, for me, has never done any mistake. So of course I'm very excited for that game, I wish he'll make something great. On my previous post I was mostly trolling, being upset at the Xbox exclusives current situation.
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Hobbygaming
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It's gonna be a game about a Zebra who birthed a skeleton in the 1970'sOh shit. Will this top Death Stranding?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Meanwhile Microsoft during the conversation:
Definitely not. No sense in rushing out unfinished or unpolished games.