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[Hawk The Slayer]

Take out "a decent amount" and replace it with "a bit", and AMD might be able to give you that at $600.

Never used a AMD card or CPU but will have to look into it. Either that or the Intel GPU if they ever release a 16gb tier card. But I heard from reviewers that the Intel card uses more watts compared to Nvidia with similar level cards. So since I'm someone that doesn't like to upgrade for a very long time like a few years at least. I wonder if it'll end up costing me the same amount or more throughout the years from a Intel card with more watts being in use.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Yeah the 1000 series is the best series ever in price, how long they last, and how well they perform in games. It's unfortunate that we won't ever see something as good as that ever again. In the current time, anything that's consider decent and not even high end still cost a insane amount of money for what they offer. I did thought about the PS5 Pro when it gets discounted too cause I could also use it as a UHD bluray player although I heard the fat og PS5 with the built in drive was better for it. The thing that makes me not want to focus on the pro is because all the exclusive games I want from it like Rebirth and Stellar Blade are coming to the PC and by the time the PS5 Pro gets on a discount than the PS6 would be right around the corner. Plus one of my main things on PC is modding and getting mods for games like Elder Scrolls VI and Fallout 5 plus others. If the PS6 has no disk drive version than I'll still consider getting the PS5 Pro.

I hear ya, tough spot to be in if you are all in on PC like that. Hopefully Intel's hat in the ring will help soon.

The Pro is not great value, at least relative to the PS5. It's like going from a 3060 12GB to a 4070 and only getting a 30-40% uplift in performance. 75% increase in price over the OG Digital for a 35-40% increase in performance.

What CPU are you on?

Definitely not the best value. Just a better value than GPUs and considering you're getting an entire system, controller, etc and it's going to be target spec until the PS6 debuts.

I'm still running a 4790k which I know will prob bottleneck even that 7800XT. Was considering a 5700X3D or 7600X3D unless there is an actual decent sale on the 7800X3D or 9800X3D - but that seems like a long shot.

 

[JRW]

Except they don't. 10GB, maybe PS5 use a little more.

I didn't realize both consoles do have 16GB GDDR6 but it's a shared pool for both system & graphics memory, Looks like a lot of other people aren't realizing this either.

 

[amigastar]

Is that Berta from Two and a half men? LOL

 

[Brucey]

I didn't realize both consoles do have 16GB GDDR6 but it's a shared pool for both system & graphics memory, Looks like a lot of other people aren't realizing this either.

Series s and x have split pools.

The Xbox Series X Review: Ushering In The Next Generation of Game Consoles

www.anandtech.com

 

[FireFly]

Nothing beats native.

Yes, nothing beats 16xSSAA.

Meanwhile, TAA uses information from multiple frames and either suffers from ghosting or vaseline style blur, where the algorithm either incorrectly keeps information that has since changed, due to the movement of objects in the scene, or discards information that actually is part of the image. DLSS simply applies machine learning to this process to more accurately determine which historical samples to keep. So DLSS is simply a better form of TAA.

 

[JRW]

Series s and x have split pools.

The Xbox Series X Review: Ushering In The Next Generation of Game Consoles

www.anandtech.com

The article you posted shows 16GB total for Series X with 2.5GB going to system tasks, so 13.5GB total for Series X (as per article) That's a shared pool.

The PS5 Pro on the other hand has separate system ram (2GB DDR5) and 16GB GDDR6 for graphics https://www.techradar.com/gaming/ps5-pro-specs

 

[Gaiff]

The article you posted shows 16GB total for Series X with 2.5GB going to system tasks, so 13.5GB total for Series X (as per article) That's a shared pool.

Referring to the different speeds. 10GB has ~560GB/s and the other 6 ~330GB/s

 

[Wolzard]

Series s and x have split pools.

The Xbox Series X Review: Ushering In The Next Generation of Game Consoles

www.anandtech.com

The memory is unified, the system does not see two separate memories but only one. The slower bus of a portion of the memory makes no difference, as the most demanding parts (graphics rendering) will never use it.

 

[SolidQ]

 

[nkarafo]

250W

Seems like Nvidia is following the Intel strategy.

 

[Bojji]

So in raster this thing will be 10% (or more in memory BW limited games) better than 4080? I expected higher clocks based on power draw.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Fuck, hopefully amd or intel do something next year. Ready

 

[StereoVsn]

What a god damn ripoff this is going to be.

 

[//DEVIL//]

What a god damn ripoff this is going to be.

different chip design. the 5080 should be a 4090 level card if not more powerful.

There is a reason why they discontinued the 4090 bud..

 

[StereoVsn]

different chip design. the 5080 should be a 4090 level card if not more powerful.

There is a reason why they discontinued the 4090 bud..

There is no way 5080 is going to be 4090 grade GPU unless we are talking some very specific use cases with "enhanced" DLSS in a few particular games.

Nvidia discontinued it to push 5080 at a high price and 5090 at a sky high one.

 

[Gaiff]

different chip design. the 5080 should be a 4090 level card if not more powerful.

There is a reason why they discontinued the 4090 bud..

Hard to believe when there's this much of a disparity in their core count. The 4090 has over 50% more cores, so I don't see how the 5080 will bridge the gap. Let's hope it does because by specs alone, this looks to be marginally faster than the 4080, but we gotta wait.

 

[Kenpachii]

That whole 5080 sounds like a waste of a gen.

 

[SolidQ]

Maybe placeholder price

 

[Bojji]

Maybe placeholder price

Holy fuck.

 

[hinch7]

Holy fuck.

Woof. Its going to be $2500+ for the 5090 no doubt in Aus. No wonder they were touting the 5070Ti as professional cards.

Hopefully its not so grim elsewhere in world.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I hear ya, tough spot to be in if you are all in on PC like that. Hopefully Intel's hat in the ring will help soon.



Definitely not the best value. Just a better value than GPUs and considering you're getting an entire system, controller, etc and it's going to be target spec until the PS6 debuts.

I'm still running a 4790k which I know will prob bottleneck even that 7800XT. Was considering a 5700X3D or 7600X3D unless there is an actual decent sale on the 7800X3D or 9800X3D - but that seems like a long shot.

Ummm yeah....it's bottlenecking it 10X over. Get that replaced right away, otherwise you're leaving a stupid amount of performance on the table.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Ummm yeah....it's bottlenecking it 10X over. Get that replaced right away, otherwise you're leaving a stupid amount of performance on the table.

I saw it was something estimated 30% reduced performance but that's still significantly better than my 1070. If I keep the GPU it won't make a difference since I haven't been playing recent intensive games on PC. It won't hurt to be running what I have while I wait for a decent CPU/mobo bundle.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I saw it was something estimated 30% reduced performance but that's still significantly better than my 1070. If I keep the GPU it won't make a difference since I haven't been playing recent intensive games on PC. It won't hurt to be running what I have while I wait for a decent CPU/mobo bundle.

It will hurt. It's fucking stupid to limit that GPU to that CPU. You can get some very good CPU/MOBO/RAM bundles for under $500. Closer to $400 if you really look.

If you live near a Microcenter, you can get a 7600X/B650/32GB RAM combo for $310.

 

[CobraAB]

Seems like 5070ti is going to be the card to get from the 5000 series if the price isn't insane. Otherwise easy skip of a gen.

Price will be insane.

Bank on it.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

It will hurt. It's fucking stupid to limit that GPU to that CPU. You can get some very good CPU/MOBO/RAM bundles for under $500. Closer to $400 if you really look.

If you live near a Microcenter, you can get a 7600X/B650/32GB RAM combo for $310.

Well that's been my plan, I'm banking on the 7600X3D to go on sale for $400 or less again (or a decent 7800X3D or 9800X3D deal once supply catches up). I don't live near enough a MC to go whenever, but there's one near a couple places I travel to a few times a year.

No downsides utilizing the 7800XT with current setup in the meantime.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Maybe placeholder price

Australian retailers have been marking up GPUs heavily at launch for the last few generations, combine with the additional price buffer used to buffer currency fluctuations and I think a USD price of $1299-1399 seems more accurate.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Well that's been my plan, I'm banking on the 7600X3D to go on sale for $400 or less again (or a decent 7800X3D or 9800X3D deal once supply catches up). I don't live near enough a MC to go whenever, but there's one near a couple places I travel to a few times a year.

No downsides utilizing the 7800XT with current setup in the meantime.

Aside from the performance penalty....yeah...you're right...no downsides...LOL

 

[Crayon]

$700 is mid tier.

Say it.

 

[Madserb2023]

12 gigs is not enough. Maybe for now but not much longer. 16 gigs is the absolute minimum as that's what the consoles have. What's going to happen when the PS6 has 24 gigs or more. That will be the new base and there will be millions of people even by 2028 with 12 gigs GPUs.

 

[Bojji]

12 gigs is not enough. Maybe for now but not much longer. 16 gigs is the absolute minimum as that's what the consoles have. What's going to happen when the PS6 has 24 gigs or more. That will be the new base and there will be millions of people even by 2028 with 12 gigs GPUs.

16GB of consoles = 10-11GB as VRAM for games.

Once PS6 drops with 24GB you can start to worry.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Aside from the performance penalty....yeah...you're right...no downsides...LOL

Uh, yeah no downsides - it will still be better than the 1070. You have an odd fixation on this.

 

[Knightime_X]

Greater than 16gb is needed almost purely for 4k, no dlss, right?
I'm very content with 1440p and dlss3. Sure, 4k for older less super demanding games.
FF16 with a rtx 2060 super 8gb dlss3 1440p still looks better than ff16 on ps5

A lot of times, things like shadows, ambient occlusion, certain lighting settings, and textures look damn near identical from ultra to high.
Sometimes even medium is trivial.
No need for 8x AA in 4k.
Hell, 2xAA is pretty damn good for 1440p in a lot of cases.