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[MayauMiao]

And she probably wasn’t ethnically Egyptian.

Of course not, she was black!

 

[Evolved1]

please no more god of walk and talk.

 

[AgatonSax]

Simplest solution is set it after God of War 3. Kratos went South before he went North. Leave the disastrous mess that was Ragnorak well alone.

 

[Badlucktroll]

My guess is Mimir, Angrboda, and Atreus will stay in the norse lands while Kratos goes off to do stuff in Egypt

 

[jason10mm]

I said "ethnically". Cleopatra was reportedly the first Ptolemy to speak Egyptian, so that makes them very much not Egyptian. They were also largely inbred and mostly of Greek stock. Cleopatra's mom is unknown and might have been Egyptian. That's why I said "probably".

300 years living there makes her functionally egyptian. It's not like they went back and forth to Greece and just governed Egypt, they lived there for generations. Not speaking a language doesn't exclude you (should anyone living in Ireland who can't speak Gaelic be considered "not Irish"?) nor is mingling "with the locals" past a generation or two. By your definition every white or black person in the US isn't "an American" because they didn't bred with the locals and can't speak a native tongue, despite living here for potentially hundreds of years.

 

[Gaiff]

300 years living there makes her functionally egyptian. It's not like they went back and forth to Greece and just governed Egypt, they lived there for generations. Not speaking a language doesn't exclude you (should anyone living in Ireland who can't speak Gaelic be considered "not Irish"?) nor is mingling "with the locals" past a generation or two. By your definition every white or black person in the US isn't "an American" because they didn't bred with the locals and can't speak a native tongue, despite living here for potentially hundreds of years.

The Ptolemies deliberately prided themselves as being Greek and didn’t bother learning the language because they were too good for it. They traced their lineage back to Ptolemy I and avoided breeding with the local Egyptian population to keep their lineage pure. They embraced Greek culture, arts, customs, and languages. They were a foreign power. Cleopatra got so popular because she could speak Egyptian.

Your Galeic example is terrible and blatantly dishonest because most Irishmen don’t even speak Gaelic. Most Egyptians during Cleopatra’s time spoke Egyptian. An appropriate example would be a German immigrant moving to the states, only mixing with people from Germany and never learning English through generations and never embracing American culture. These people would be American citizens by law, but they would be Germans, not Americans. If a Spaniard guy moved to Ireland, only mixed with Spanish people while there, and his descendants only spoke Spanish and embraced Spanish culture, I sure as hell would consider them Spanish, not Irish. Doesn't matter if they had been there for 1,000 years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Of course not, she was black!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Egypt is a top pantheon.

What's interesting is naturally you'd probably want to do Chinese at some point, but I don't think they'd take it well.

I'd love for them to explore Shinto, Hindu, and Mayan.

 

[Zathalus]

I don’t want angry Kratos back, as much as I enjoyed him. Eliminating two games worth of character development doesn’t make for good storytelling.

The ending of Valhalla shows him becoming the new Norse God of War and accepting his past, both the good and the bad. Give him motivation for going after another pantheon, like actual war or him assisting to combat a greater threat. Themes of justice could play a role.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I don’t want angry Kratos back, as much as I enjoyed him. Eliminating two games worth of character development doesn’t make for good storytelling.

The ending of Valhalla shows him becoming the new Norse God of War and accepting his past, both the good and the bad. Give him motivation for going after another pantheon, like actual war or him assisting to combat a greater threat. Themes of justice could play a role.

Could easily write that killing two pantheons has him on the radar of other pantheons who aren't just going to sit by and wait for him to show up some day.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Of course not, she was black!

Somebody didn't listen in school.

I don't think much emphasis was put on that either... but given the info that's available...

 

[diffusionx]

The Ptolemies deliberately prided themselves as being Greek and didn’t bother learning the language because they were too good for it. They traced their lineage back to Ptolemy I and avoided breeding with the local Egyptian population to keep their lineage pure. They embraced Greek culture, arts, customs, and languages. They were a foreign power. Cleopatra got so popular because she could speak Egyptian.

Your Galeic example is terrible and blatantly dishonest because most Irishmen don’t even speak Gaelic. Most Egyptians during Cleopatra’s time spoke Egyptian. An appropriate example would be a German immigrant moving to the states, only mixing with people from Germany and never learning English through generations and never embracing American culture. These people would be American citizens by law, but they would be Germans, not Americans.

For some reason, a lot of people feel the entire world and all of its history is the NYC subway system.

Of course not, she was black!

The weird thing about this quote is that modern "education" is more likely to falsely claim that she was black.

 

[TheRedRiders]

After Ragnarok I’m done with God of War.

Me too, feels like they're milking the franchise at this point - Kratos story should have been finite, short and intense, it's very suiting to his character, similar to what Marvel did with Thanos in the Infinity War movies. Having him go Egypt just feels like they're dragging out a story which should have been ended by now.

She doesn't have to be a goddess. Kratos smashed many humans along his original series that weren't goddesses, but mistresses to certain Gods.

Interestingly enough, the most ancient part of Ancient Egypt was the Old Kingdom when the Pyramids were built which was around 2500 B.C according to the conventional dates, Cleopatra lived around 69 BC or something, so that would put her closer to the creation of the iPhone than to the construction of the Giza Pyramids. It doesn't address your point directly but it does dispel the notion that Cleopatra was some sort of deep archaic and ancient Egyptian Pharaoh/Godess, when in fact she actually popped up towards the very end of the Egyptian empire.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Hell yes !

I love so much Egypt settings.

 

[Gaiff]

Somebody didn't listen in school.

I don't think much emphasis was put on that either... but given the info that's available...

Pretty sure it's tongue-in-cheek and mocking that awful Netflix "docuseries".

 

[DeepEnigma]

Interestingly enough, the most ancient part of Ancient Egypt was the Old Kingdom when the Pyramids were built which was around 2500 B.C according to the conventional dates, Cleopatra lived around 69 BC or something, so that would put her closer to the creation of the iPhone than to the construction of the Giza Pyramids. It doesn't address your point directly but it does dispel the notion that Cleopatra was some sort of deep archaic and ancient Egyptian Pharaoh/Godess, when in fact she actually popped up towards the very end of the Egyptian empire.

Of course, just going by how they take liberty with the stories. And, I was being cheeky more so.

 

[Aenima]

"Likely"

So it's still bullshit speculation then

Also, hey Sony, make a new fucking IP for christs sake

Cory Barlog is working on a New IP, so the next Santa Monica game will most likely be a new IP.

 

[Zannegan]

No Kratos in space supporters?

Kratos v. Lovecraftian cosmic "deities"? I could dig that.

 

[Cakeboxer]

No Kratos in space supporters?

I support Kratos Kart:

 

[Fake]

No Kratos in space supporters?

'We have space Kratos at home'

home:

 

[Danjin44]

Me too, feels like they're milking the franchise at this point - Kratos story should have been finite, short and intense, it's very suiting to his character, similar to what Marvel did with Thanos in the Infinity War movies. Having him go Egypt just feels like they're dragging out a story which should have been ended by now.

Yup, I dont like idea of God of War turning in to Assassin Creed which is each game need go to new mythology and endlessly continue the game just because its popular.

Any good story need to end at some point and if not just gonna end up just like Assassin Creed which lost its entire main narrative....I dont know this fight between Assassins and Templars is still going on or is there even an end point?.

 

[Trogdor1123]

After Ragnarok I’m done with God of War.

Was it that bad?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

What's interesting is naturally you'd probably want to do Chinese at some point, but I don't think they'd take it well.

Didn't the Chinese just make Black Myth Wukong? This is essentially GoW with a monkey (and I wish the next god of war plays much more like this than the pseudo open world the new ones have).

Not everyone is I can't remember the religion, but you know which one it is that has no humor or control for any representation of their diety. Most people of most faiths understand that a game is a game, or a movie is a movie, a cartoon a cartoon... etc.

So Indian gods? Egyptian gods? Aztek gods? Incas? Other old European gods... whatever.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Pretty sure it's tongue-in-cheek and mocking that awful Netflix "docuseries".

Me too, but you can't be sure these days.

People believe there are untold number of genders and the earth is flat.

 

[AJUMP23]

What RA gonna do when ANUBIS adventurer kratos comes knocking.

 

[Generic]

Someone needs to kill Atreus for this to happen

Someone please kill Atreus

I recall the 2018 game implied that

Spoiler

Atreus will kill Kratos

 

[Tomofdahook17]

This.

Kill Atreus and have him go ape-shit and crush Cleopatra's cheeks in a mini game along the way.

Yea please. Just copy the plot of the Mummy Returns and have Kratos retrieve the book of the dead to resurrect his son lmao.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Cory Barlog is working on a New IP

I'll believe it when I see it

.....so the next Santa Monica game will most likely be a new IP.

x2

Chuck has reached the maximum Zero Faith level

 

[jason10mm]

The Ptolemies deliberately prided themselves as being Greek and didn’t bother learning the language because they were too good for it. They traced their lineage back to Ptolemy I and avoided breeding with the local Egyptian population to keep their lineage pure. They embraced Greek culture, arts, customs, and languages. They were a foreign power. Cleopatra got so popular because she could speak Egyptian.

Your Galeic example is terrible and blatantly dishonest because most Irishmen don’t even speak Gaelic. Most Egyptians during Cleopatra’s time spoke Egyptian. An appropriate example would be a German immigrant moving to the states, only mixing with people from Germany and never learning English through generations and never embracing American culture. These people would be American citizens by law, but they would be Germans, not Americans. If a Spaniard guy moved to Ireland, only mixed with Spanish people while there, and his descendants only spoke Spanish and embraced Spanish culture, I sure as hell would consider them Spanish, not Irish. Doesn't matter if they had been there for 1,000 years.

If they are RULING, then really its the 'native' pop not conforming to them. The Ptolemys were functionally Egypt as they had a level of control and influence that would beggar the most extreme dictatorship today. Not that there was any real sense of nationality back then, certainly not in any way we would think of it now, to say who is "Egyptian" or not.

And my example is excellent. Americans today, at least the white, black, asian and hispanic ones, are OVERWHELMINGLY speaking a language not originating from the land they live on, same with practicing customs and breeding with folks. So are all those americans NOT americans in your eyes? Same with the Irish. If the person doesn't practice the customs or speak the 'native' language, then what makes them "irish", if not being born there and living there, for generations?

Saying Cleopatra is not Egyptian is ludicrous. You could argue she isn't representative of the working class egyptian, or maybe claim she is from a greek contingent of egypt, but no one could reasonably claim she isn't egyptian when she is the product of 300 years of rulers of that very region.

 

[Danjin44]

Was it that bad?

For me it was, not just Atreus becoming more obnoxious than the original game (I didn't think it was possible) but also Kratos turning in to entirely different character.

Its similar Hotime in Escaflowne Movie vs the TV show.

In TV show more cheerful and fun character

While Movie version they turn Hitomi in to suicidal girl suffering from depression.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Didn't the Chinese just make Black Myth Wukong? This is essentially GoW with a monkey (and I wish the next god of war plays much more like this than the pseudo open world the new ones have).

Not everyone is I can't remember the religion, but you know which one it is that has no humor or control for any representation of their diety. Most people of most faiths understand that a game is a game, or a movie is a movie, a cartoon a cartoon... etc.

So Indian gods? Egyptian gods? Aztek gods? Incas? Other old European gods... whatever.

Big difference adapting Journey West and having Kratos a western creation killing actual Chinese pantheon gods... I'm telling you, it would NOT go over well with the Chinese and Sony would be frightened (rightfully so) from doing it. Would never get greenlit.

I don't think Sony would do Abrahamic religions either.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Big difference adapting Journey West and having Kratos a western creation killing actual Chinese pantheon gods... I'm telling you, it would NOT go over well with the Chinese and Sony would be frightened (rightfully so) from doing it. Would never get greenlit.

I don't think Sony would do Abrahamic religions either.

Maybe Japanese gods then

 

[Gaiff]

If they are RULING, then really its the 'native' pop not conforming to them. The Ptolemys were functionally Egypt as they had a level of control and influence that would beggar the most extreme dictatorship today. Not that there was any real sense of nationality back then, certainly not in any way we would think of it now, to say who is "Egyptian" or not.

Nonsense. There was certainly a sense of identity in Egypt, just like there was one in Rome and Greece. Just because the concept of nation didn't exist doesn't mean they had no cultural, ethnic, or regional identity.

And my example is excellent. Americans today, at least the white, black, asian and hispanic ones, are OVERWHELMINGLY speaking a language not originating from the land they live on, same with practicing customs and breeding with folks. So are all those americans NOT americans in your eyes? Same with the Irish. If the person doesn't practice the customs or speak the 'native' language, then what makes them "irish", if not being born there and living there, for generations?

Bullshit and you're deliberately disingenuously using the US because it's a melting pot of different ethnicities. From the outset, you had British, French, Spanish, Irish, Germans, and many other different ethnic groups, so it's much more nebulous to establish what makes an American an American because the country was founded by immigrants anyway. The Irish example was thoroughly debunked. An enclave of Spaniards living in Ireland, never mixing with the Irish, never learning the language, and never embracing the customs would be Spaniards, not Irishmen.

Saying Cleopatra is not Egyptian is ludicrous. You could argue she isn't representative of the working class egyptian, or maybe claim she is from a greek contingent of egypt, but no one could reasonably claim she isn't egyptian when she is the product of 300 years of rulers of that very region.

I said she probably wasn't ethnically Egyptian because her mother's identity is unknown. She might have been Egyptian, but she might have also been Greek. Cleopatra is the only one who you can argue was Egyptian because she actually embraced Egypt and spoke the language. It's one of the reasons she was so popular. The Ptolemies, otherwise, were not Egyptian, they were Greek and historians refers to them as such. Even the Wikipedia page states:

The Ptolemaic dynasty (/ˌtɒlɪˈmeɪ.ɪk/; Ancient Greek: Πτολεμαῖοι, Ptolemaioi), also known as the Lagid dynasty (Λαγίδαι, Lagidai; after Ptolemy I's father, Lagus), was a Macedonian Greek[1][2][3][4][5] royal house which ruled the Ptolemaic Kingdom in Ancient Egypt during the Hellenistic period.

Thread derailed enough. You can claim the Ptolemies who didn't speak Egyptian, kept themselves separate from the Egyptians, repeatedly emphasized their Greek heritage, and had Greek culture were Egyptians because they lived in Egypt, but you'd be wrong.

 

[Moses85]

See you in 2030

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I can tell some of the people who are complaining about Ragnarok didn't actually play it.

 

[Soodanim]

Big difference adapting Journey West and having Kratos a western creation killing actual Chinese pantheon gods... I'm telling you, it would NOT go over well with the Chinese and Sony would be frightened (rightfully so) from doing it. Would never get greenlit.

I don't think Sony would do Abrahamic religions either.

Abrahamic would be boring, so I very much hope not. You need a full pantheon for God of War to be worth it.

The funny thing would be doing Roman gods and Kratos having severe deja vu the entire time

 

[MagnesD3]

Please let the violence begin again. I want Anubis and Horus to be smug assholes. Please bully Kratos.

 

[jason10mm]

Nonsense. There was certainly a sense of identity in Egypt, just like there was one in Rome and Greece. Just because the concept of nation didn't exist doesn't mean they had no cultural, ethnic, or regional identity.

You were Roman if you were from Rome and engaged in its customs. The Ptolemys RULED Egypt for centuries, they were as Egyptian as it was possible to get. "Ethnically" egyptian is a nonsense association, Egyptian isn't a race, it's a culture and the Ptolemys controlled that culture for hundreds of years.

Bullshit and you're deliberately disingenuously using the US because it's a melting pot of different ethnicities. From the outset, you had British, French, Spanish, Irish, Germans, and many other different ethnic groups, so it's much more nebulous to establish what makes an American an American because the country was founded by immigrants anyway. The Irish example was thoroughly debunked. An enclave of Spaniards living in Ireland, never mixing with the Irish, never learning the language, and never embracing the customs would be Spaniards, not Irishmen.

All these ancient societies were melting pots as well. Folks would show up and stay because it was too hard to get back. You can't just hand wave America and excuse Egypt.

Thread derailed enough. You can claim the Ptolemies who didn't speak Egyptian, kept themselves separate from the Egyptians, repeatedly emphasized their Greek heritage, and had Greek culture were Egyptians because they lived in Egypt, but you'd be wrong.

Ask virtually anyone to describe an Egyptian and Cleopatra is the NUMBER ONE person they will go to. She IS Ancient Egypt. Maybe a Pharoh like Tutankhamen is a distant second. Her unknown mother is not what makes her the model Egyptian.

 

[Ceadeus]

Meh.. the interest is low as long as they keep the dad of war formula

 

[Sanepar]

This is Barlog game?

 

[Gaiff]

You were Roman if you were from Rome and engaged in its customs. The Ptolemys RULED Egypt for centuries, they were as Egyptian as it was possible to get. "Ethnically" egyptian is a nonsense association, Egyptian isn't a race, it's a culture and the Ptolemys controlled that culture for hundreds of years.


All these ancient societies were melting pots as well. Folks would show up and stay because it was too hard to get back. You can't just hand wave America and excuse Egypt.


Ask virtually anyone to describe an Egyptian and Cleopatra is the NUMBER ONE person they will go to. She IS Ancient Egypt. Maybe a Pharoh like Tutankhamen is a distant second. Her unknown mother is not what makes her the model Egyptian.

Enough with your ignorance. You cannot even tell the difference between race and ethnicity.

 

[Alexios]

Egypt is an amazing theme but somehow went out of fashion for games (outside mobile puzzle games and shit, lol), it's so cool and still mysterious and gave birth to some of the best games ever like Tomb Raider and Powerslave (for my tastes, also other good games like Pharaoh + Cleopatra).

I guess we did get a Titan Quest expansion, Assassin's Creed and Total War games and stuff like various kingdom/god/survival simulators but nothing epic if you ask me. I think the last truly interesting thing I played was a Half-Life 2 mod, Curse (which did remind me of Powerslave, but just a bit).

 

[Melfice7]

it's not gonna be kratos story, kratos is a sidekick for the first third, dies, then atreus and angrboda go to Egypt

 

[IDKFA]

If they are RULING, then really its the 'native' pop not conforming to them. The Ptolemys were functionally Egypt as they had a level of control and influence that would beggar the most extreme dictatorship today. Not that there was any real sense of nationality back then, certainly not in any way we would think of it now, to say who is "Egyptian" or not.

They ruled from Alexandria, a city that was very multiethnic. As well as Egyptians, there were also Greeks, Jews and others from all over the med. The large Greek population had been dominant in Alexandria since the city's founding by Alexander the Great. They formed the ruling class and held most of the important positions in the government and the economy. The Egyptian population was mostly made up of farmers and laborers, but there was also a significant number of wealthy and educated Egyptians who held positions of power.

You're confusing nationality and ethnicities. Although nobody was a patriotic Egyptian, people understood their ethnic groups and backgrounds. Alexandria wasn't some utopia either. The different ethnicities rarely got along and in most cases stuck to their own groups.

The Greeks did not see themselves as Egyptians. They maintained their language, customs, and social structures, often considering themselves superior to the other groups.

Also, please don't call this a dictatorship. That's historical revisionism.

And my example is excellent. Americans today, at least the white, black, asian and hispanic ones, are OVERWHELMINGLY speaking a language not originating from the land they live on, same with practicing customs and breeding with folks. So are all those americans NOT americans in your eyes? Same with the Irish. If the person doesn't practice the customs or speak the 'native' language, then what makes them "irish", if not being born there and living there, for generations?

Confusing nationality with ethnicities again.

Saying Cleopatra is not Egyptian is ludicrous.

It's really not. It is, however, important to understand the complexities of ancient societies. Identity wasn't always tied to the place you lived, but also to your ancestry and cultural background.

Cleopatra the VII, her father Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysus and all the Ptolemy rulers pior and the Greeks living in Egypt at the time did not consider themselves Egyptian. At all.

Now, let's put this to bed and talk about Kratos killing Gods.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Abrahamic would be boring, so I very much hope not. You need a full pantheon for God of War to be worth it.

The funny thing would be doing Roman gods and Kratos having severe deja vu the entire time

I disagree, I think Roman would be utterly boring, unless you did it with the notion that somehow they were brought back to life, which could be interesting. Deja Vu wouldn't be.

As for the Abrahamic ones, I think it wouldn't be boring at all. You have a massive pantheon when you consider everything.

Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Azrael, Samael, David, Samson, Moses, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Mammon, Asmodeus, Leviathan, Satan, Belphegor. You also have the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, Death, War, Famine, and Pestilience.

You also have several demons who fall under the 7 princes or kings of hell.

The pantheon is much bigger than most.

 

[Gaiff]

They ruled from Alexandria, a city that was very multiethnic. As well as Egyptians, there were also Greeks, Jews and others from all over the med. The large Greek population had been dominant in Alexandria since the city's founding by Alexander the Great. They formed the ruling class and held most of the important positions in the government and the economy. The Egyptian population was mostly made up of farmers and laborers, but there was also a significant number of wealthy and educated Egyptians who held positions of power.

You're confusing nationality and ethnicities. Although nobody was a patriotic Egyptian, people understood their ethnic groups and backgrounds. Alexandria wasn't some utopia either. The different ethnicities rarely got along and in most cases stuck to their own groups.

The Greeks did not see themselves as Egyptians. They maintained their language, customs, and social structures, often considering themselves superior to the other groups.

Also, please don't call this a dictatorship. That's historical revisionism.




Confusing nationality with ethnicities again.



It's really not. It is, however, important to understand the complexities of ancient societies. Identity wasn't always tied to the place you lived, but also to your ancestry and cultural background.

Cleopatra the VII, her father Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysus and all the Ptolemy rulers pior and the Greeks living in Egypt at the time did not consider themselves Egyptian. At all.

Now, let's put this to bed and talk about Kratos killing Gods.

 

[ReyBrujo]

First it was Altair. Then Ezio. Now Kratos taking their place.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I disagree, I think Roman would be utterly boring, unless you did it with the notion that somehow they were brought back to life, which could be interesting. Deja Vu wouldn't be.

As for the Abrahamic ones, I think it wouldn't be boring at all. You have a massive pantheon when you consider everything.

Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Azrael, Samael, David, Samson, Moses, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Mammon, Asmodeus, Leviathan, Satan, Belphegor. You also have the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, Death, War, Famine, and Pestilience.

You also have several demons who fall under the 7 princes or kings of hell.

The pantheon is much bigger than most.

They're not going to go down the Abrahamic road in current year.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

They need to figure out Atreus for the sequels, he was a cool boy in 2018, but in the end of Ragnarok i couldn't stand him anymore.

 

[Fbh]

Sure why not, but I hope they also shake up the style of the games, just like they did in 2018.
While I liked 2018 and Ragnarok despite their flaws, after 2 games I'm kinda bored of the cinematic style with tons of cutscenes, the over the shoulder camera and toned down action.

It doesn't have to be 1:1 with the old games, but please lets go back to a more action focused experience, where gameplay is front and center and they fully flex the Ps5 (and probably Ps6 at that point) hardware with some epic large scale fights: