Deerock71
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Lexar unveils 1TB MicroSD Express card compatible with Switch 2 for $200
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jshackles
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Micro SD Express is still a pretty new technology, and they're significantly faster than the previous standard. I'm glad to see they're going with a standards compliant card, rather than going the Xbox route and making a proprietary thing.
Y'all are forgetting that when the Switch 1 launched in 2017, a 256GB compatible micro SD card (about 1/10th the speed of these) was $100. Those same slower 256GB cards are $10-$15 now, while 2TB cards (almost 10x that size) are getting to be reasonably priced. Even in the OP the 256GB express models are $50-$65.
Barring some sort of global collapse, the price of this memory will come down over time. The capacity will go up. By the end of this gen we'll all look back on this and laugh at the outrageous price of this first to market technology, and wonder how we ever got by only having 1TB cards on our Switch 2s.
Y'all are forgetting that when the Switch 1 launched in 2017, a 256GB compatible micro SD card (about 1/10th the speed of these) was $100. Those same slower 256GB cards are $10-$15 now, while 2TB cards (almost 10x that size) are getting to be reasonably priced. Even in the OP the 256GB express models are $50-$65.
Barring some sort of global collapse, the price of this memory will come down over time. The capacity will go up. By the end of this gen we'll all look back on this and laugh at the outrageous price of this first to market technology, and wonder how we ever got by only having 1TB cards on our Switch 2s.
DenchDeckard
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What are the sizes of nintendo games?
If I'm fitting the same amount of games on both then that's different.
I totally get your point though and somewhat agree but one is portable has a battery in it and a 120hz g sync screen with hdr. You don't NEED to buy the pro controller...but I hear ya.
Darkness_Arises
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I got a 1 TB small form factor SSD (2230) for my Steam Deck for ~70$. These cards are a ripoff. Why not go with standard nvme SSDs with an accessible port like the PS5? It's a good thing that Nintendo games are small and the Switch 2 comes with 256 GB of memory. I will wait till the price drops to <100$.
Darkness_Arises
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You need an external controller for comfortable couch gaming. Nintendo should have beefed up the grips on the joycons. I am optimistic that Switch 1 controllers are compatible with Switch 2 (since some BC games need Switch 1 joycons to be playable on Switch 2). In that case, you can get a true pro controller with hall effect joystick and trigger for 25 pounds (8 bit do or gamesir).
DenchDeckard
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I have an 8 bit ultimate that I hope gets a firmware update. But ill buy 8bitdo's switch 2 controller when it launches, if I have to.
graywolf323
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isn't the problem though that Micro SD Express hasn't really been adopted by anything else? if it remains niche the prices might not see the same decrease
I'd honestly have rather Nintendo gone with something like the PS5 approach of adding more internal memory and they could have easily just limited it to a 2230 size NVMe like the Steam Deck uses
exactly
we don't know yet but I wouldn't be surprised if the 256GB internal memory fills up quick
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Darkness_Arises
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It will last longer than that Pro controller thanks to the hall effect sticks. I wonder why gamesir/8bitdo don't make cheap controllers compatible with the PS5. I would love to have something cheap and sturdy to hand over to the little kids in the family when they want to play astrobot.
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They're... eh... Micro.
Switch HD - 450 USD
1TB MSDX - 200 USD
Pro Controller - 80 USD
Candles $3,600
Cross-gen first party games $80
Total - $4410
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Mibu no ookami
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Having traveled a fair bit, I have never not once seen anyone playing a Nintendo Switch on a flight or a train and honestly, I don't think the battery life really lines up with the idea of using it on trips.
Of course these products aren't 1:1 analogous to each other, but as entertainment devices, it's hard to argue that the Pro is this badly priced device and that the Switch 2 isn't.
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Woopah
will suggest that there are things that are "extras" but in reality they're pretty crucial. I don't know anyone who owns a Switch and doesn't own a Pro controller. No one that I know that prefers using joycons or use it to game outside of extra controllers in Mario kart or in Mario party. To suggest that the extra storage isn't a must either is misleading as well given that many if not all of these games are going to need to be installed on internal storage whether they are physical games or not. As it stands, the Switch 2 probably won't take having more than 4-6 games installed.
Certinty
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Wow. When you look at it like this it makes the price point of this look absolutely ridiculous.
Lokaum D+
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ppl defending Nintendo pricing are just mentally ill
Mibu no ookami
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Not to go off topic, but yeah I agree it's weird that no one makes a PS5 mini controller even 3rd party manufacturers. At first I thought maybe there was a mandate that the controllers had to have haptics and adaptive triggers, but that's not the case. Many maybe even most 3rd party manufacturers don't have haptics and adaptive triggers. I don't think Sony has a robust 3rd party licensing environment.
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Woopah
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I have neither a Pro controller nor have I used any expandable storage on the Switch.Having traveled a fair bit, I have never not once seen anyone playing a Nintendo Switch on a flight or a train and honestly, I don't think the battery life really lines up with the idea of using it on trips.
Of course these products aren't 1:1 analogous to each other, but as entertainment devices, it's hard to argue that the Pro is this badly priced device and that the Switch 2 isn't.
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Some people I know have a Pro controller and others do not. Because you don't need it to play Switch games.
But maybe we move in different circles because I use the Switch on flights/tubes/trains all the time and I have seen other people do the same (along with the Steam Deck).
tkscz
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SD cards have literally always been expensive when they first get introduced. 1TB Micro SDXC cards were $250 for YEARS when it was introduced. They only started going down in price about two years ago.
Now we have SD cards faster than SATA SSDs, I'm surprised they're only $200 for 1TB.
I doubt the average person who owns a Switch 1 would know how to take apart a device and replace it's storage. I see so many people take their laptops to microcenter just to have them install a new NVMe drive.
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Even if you're not using it while travelling, you can use it when you arrive at your destination. Where as it's not so convenient to bring a home console everywhere and go find a free TV when you are in a public place.
Mibu no ookami
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Same applies to a Portal... Again, Sony took a lot of flack for this device (from myself included) but it seems that they understood the market in ways most of us didn't.
I think people use these at locations MUCH more than they use them in transit. I do think Sony should drop the price of the Portal though, especially in Japan.
StereoVsn
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I am not sure where the comparison is coming from but I would pose that both PS5 Pro and Switch 2 aren't well priced. I still wouldn't compare them because they are so different.Having traveled a fair bit, I have never not once seen anyone playing a Nintendo Switch on a flight or a train and honestly, I don't think the battery life really lines up with the idea of using it on trips.
Of course these products aren't 1:1 analogous to each other, but as entertainment devices, it's hard to argue that the Pro is this badly priced device and that the Switch 2 isn't.
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Separately I plan to do my 8bitdo controller I already have for the Switch on Switch 3 when/if I get it. And for Joycons I would get 3rd party controller "dock" at some point.
But then again for other consoles I have multiple controllers, storage (internal drive for PS5) and so on.
StereoVsn
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Personally I have used my Deck/Ally/Switch on flight or long train rides (say 3-4 hour Amtrak or in Spain/ Portugal). To be fair mostly Deck or Ally because Switch 1 performance generally annoys me, lol.
YeulEmeralda
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reinking
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Yes. I agree. Insane list.
Mibu no ookami
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You can say that, but that's the real rub. Keep the same energy. I disagree regarding the PS5 Pro, but you can't tell me that energy has been the same for both systems.
I love 8bitdo. I've purchased dozens of their controllers over the years (used to make RetroPies for people).
You're missing my point that the Switch 2's costs while already quite expensive has hidden costs for MOST gamers. People ignored the PS5 Pro coming with 2TB of storage while they'll HAPPILY end up buying multiple SD cards for Switch 2 at 55 bucks a pop.
All I'm asking for is consistent arguments and I could tell before the PS5 Pro price was announced (I correctly predicted the price) that there would be a lot of pushback online from various sources (most of which were not PS fans) and I also predicted that there would be no pushback when the pricing was revealed for the Switch 2. While there has been SOME pushback it's largely been outweighed by people's excitement for a new system, which is fine and how it should be to an extent, but again where is the consistency.
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StereoVsn
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Switch 2 pricing is dumb and so is PS5 Pro. The latter should have had disk drive and the stupid stand included. The former has a lot of issues as well and especially with crazy game prices which don't drop all that much in retail.
Either way it's going to be "interesting" to see if both will go up with new tariffs. Ironically it might not be a bad idea to try to bag that Switch $450-500 pre-order (if still there at that price next week) because they might be the cheapest price for next several years.
And same with the Pro, if you want it, I would get that now from a place with a good return policy and see what happens.
Mibu no ookami
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I think you meant disc drive. And why should it have exactly? Same with the stand. My PS5 Pro lives disc free and horizontal, exactly how I want it and exactly how my disc drive PS5 existed without me ever using the disc drive.
Sony has the metrics on how many people use the disc drive, it makes sense to separate them.
KungFucius
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Lol. A bad buy for who? Why would someone add a portal instead of using that money to get access to another whole library? The switch is more expensive than it was going to be because of Trump's tariffs. They waited to finalize until they were sure he was going to do something stupid and now we all get a 10% more expensive console and accessories in all regions. Regardless of that, there will still be tons of
CamHostage
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Or that SSDs compliant with PS5 specs at launch were $120 for a half-TB at retail in 2020.
The problem will be if SDexpress never manages to cross the mass market threshold (or just remains so expensive to produce that, even with competition and ramped-up production, the costs don't come down,) and it remains niche and costly. That could happen.
Otherwise, there's not a better removable storage option as far as I know. Previous-gen SD cards would not do the job. (A possible Ultra UHS-III card would be semi-fast for transfers but would not have the PCIe lanes for sustained performance. Read up on using SD cards with Steam Deck, it does fine with low-spec games but anything that needs to rapidly access and read or write pretty much has to be on the home drive.) SDexpress is the new generation of SD cards, and the only question is whether or not SD Card will succeed into a new generation or if the old standards are the end of the line. If SDexpress makes it, then this will have been a good choice to support the format that establishes the next generation performance level and usage abilities of the format; if SDexpress fails, well, so be it, there was no better removeable option for Switch 2 anyway.
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Mibu no ookami
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That's not the conversation we're having...
Trumps tariffs explain the European pricing? Tell me more.
See above.
StereoVsn
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There is additional 24% tariff on top of the 10% now. It may go higher.
Edit: That said, why is US tariff affecting UK and EU pricing? Hmm.. actually that includes VAT so maybe Nintendo did bake it in already to an extent.
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spookyfish
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FIts in with the pricing paradigm, it seems.
FeralEcho
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You're way underselling that Concord exclusive controller.... It's clearly a rare collector piece now with worth far exceeding that.
CamHostage
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As is true of many things, no man in mankind's history has ever felt satisfied with the size of his internal memory storage...
256GB is pretty normal for a portable device; iPhone and Galaxy max out at 512GB, and neither has an SD Card slot. (Of course, phone users are mostly filling up with photos and home videos, they're rarely downloading 100GB apps at a time to play with.) Every doubling of the Steam Deck storage adds another $100 to the price tag. So talking prices, the base price of Switch 2 is already freaking people out and another $100 for double the storage would have been a nightmare to sell. The alternative is a decent onboard card (this will hold 3-10+ games at a time) and then a storage upgrade method for those who need more, which is what they did, albeit with a storage format which currently has its own pricing concerns.
DeVeAn
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I got a 512 micro SD for switch not sure if it is Ultra or Extreme. Since I have 15+ games on there it loads games EXTREMELY slow. Launch unit. I really hope games can actually run off the newer cards without extra loading. Nintendo, burned me with the Wii U and now my games on Wii U are stuck on and external drive with a Y cable. Fuckers.
CamHostage
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Yours is not Extreme, I would almost guarantee. The SD Extreme cards are at the moment pretty rare and never on sale. Only photography stores would carry them in stock, and Amazon wouldn't have recommended one to you if you went shopping. It kind of doesn't matter, because with Switch 1, its card slot is only UHS-I and anything beyond that is chugging down at backward-compatible speeds/access. My guess though is that this card (which you're already unhappy with) is not what you're going to pop into your Switch 2 if you get one.
But yes, those current SD Cards we all have piles of in our homes just barely cut it for Switch 1, and would sandbag Switch 2.
I'm a little anxious about seeing how well Switch 2 games run off SDexpress cards (especially for the current price) because there are potential technical problems with SDexpress too. (You can look up the downsides of the format, but basically, it's so concertedly rigged to work with older cards/readers that it may have compromised its upper-end functionality; probably would have been better if the SD Association had started a whole new card type, but people like what they like.) But hopefully Nintendo did their homework and the removable SD card is a serviceable secondary storage solution for running Switch games.
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Gamer79
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Lexar unveils 1TB PLAY PRO microSD Express card as Nintendo Switch 2 pricing and release date are revealed
Lexar has officially launched its PLAY PRO microSD Express card. This launch seems quite perfectly timed with today’s announcement of both the Nintendo Switch 2’s pricing and availability.betanews.com
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source: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/m...-switch-2-here-are-your-options/1100-6530578/
CamHostage
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I mean, Nintendo Switch is a gaming toy that kids use to play their Pokemans on...
Buying a specifically-sized, thermal-rated 2230m.2 NVMe and teardowning your console to install the semi-permanent new memory unit (while wearing a shock guard and being careful to maintain the heat shielding, plus blowing out all particulates when finished... sure, you could just jam it in there barehanded and most of the time nothing goes wrong, but it's a board-level operation,) that's fun for tech hobbyists, but it's not something most people go through. Even with the Steam Deck, a console made by a MOD-friendly company (and a console which will probably be 1/3 bigger a casing,) it takes 20 minutes.
I just don't see having a SSD slot on the handheld of Switch 2 being viable, or up to Nintendo's safety standards.
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CamHostage
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Speaking of the woulda/coulda/shoulda of Switch 2 storage, what would have been cool is if the Switch 2 Dock had its own storage...
It'd be sort of like a "Base Station" for your larger game library. Dock your Switch 2, play all your games, then when you're going out, choose the 5 games you want to take with you, and it would quickly load out and load in everything over a few seconds while you're still putting your coat on to run out the door.
(Like this, but with a SSD mounting slot instead of a SD Card reader.)
This way would have solved some of these problems of pricing and capacity by offering the best compromise for both portable and console play. Nintendo could have sold varying storage sizes of docks (and third parties would have had their own docks with different features,) and for those willing to do the work, Nintendo could have offered an accessible SSD slot to swap out consumer-ready SSDs. The larger space of dock shell would have accommodated more sizes of cheaper and higher capacity SSDs than just the tiny m.2s that Steam Deck barely makes room for with its SSD slot. And it would have been seamless when playing at home because the SSD speed range of both Switch 2 and its Dock fits what the games need and transfers quickly as needed.
Problem is, I don't think the USB connector in a Switch 2 Dock would actually maintain true SSD performance levels needed to make this happen? USB is fast when it needs to be, but I'm guessing external SSDs can't offer the same sustained speed and IO over a wire that they can when installed onboard. (Somebody let me know if my guess is close or not?) The other problem is that Nintendo didn't do it, so c'est la vie...
It'd be sort of like a "Base Station" for your larger game library. Dock your Switch 2, play all your games, then when you're going out, choose the 5 games you want to take with you, and it would quickly load out and load in everything over a few seconds while you're still putting your coat on to run out the door.
(Like this, but with a SSD mounting slot instead of a SD Card reader.)
This way would have solved some of these problems of pricing and capacity by offering the best compromise for both portable and console play. Nintendo could have sold varying storage sizes of docks (and third parties would have had their own docks with different features,) and for those willing to do the work, Nintendo could have offered an accessible SSD slot to swap out consumer-ready SSDs. The larger space of dock shell would have accommodated more sizes of cheaper and higher capacity SSDs than just the tiny m.2s that Steam Deck barely makes room for with its SSD slot. And it would have been seamless when playing at home because the SSD speed range of both Switch 2 and its Dock fits what the games need and transfers quickly as needed.
Problem is, I don't think the USB connector in a Switch 2 Dock would actually maintain true SSD performance levels needed to make this happen? USB is fast when it needs to be, but I'm guessing external SSDs can't offer the same sustained speed and IO over a wire that they can when installed onboard. (Somebody let me know if my guess is close or not?) The other problem is that Nintendo didn't do it, so c'est la vie...
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Gambit2483
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Aaaand they are all sold out....coincidence?
If people are paying $200 for a memory card I think Switch 2 sales will be alright (at least for the first year or so).
If people are paying $200 for a memory card I think Switch 2 sales will be alright (at least for the first year or so).
Puscifer
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They're basically nvme in a smaller form factor. Kinda amazing when you think about it but I would rather Nintendo do SSDs that are in steam decks and laptops than this crap
Puscifer
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That's a fair point. So it's a potential tradeoff between latency/image quality/having to rely on WiFi vs. a generational difference in graphics.
If you're mainly a home console user, I can see the Switch 2 seeming like bad value, but even the base Steam Deck costs $399, with no dock included. So just as a portable device, the Switch 2 doesn't seem like terrible value to me.
CobraAB
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Sony now has the cheap storage!
RyanEvans21
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I'm sure most people bought it are scalpers? Same thing happen to ps5 disc drive. You cant find it after ps5 pro announced.
Gambit2483
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That is of course always a possibility. I guess we will have to wait and see. It all depends on how much Lexar can produce in the coming months.