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[Oddvintagechap]

Yeah sure, it's gonna change the world...
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great now the OP is right..

 

[SmokedMeat]

You know that streaming thing you can do for free on your phone?

Well this $200 brick that does the same thing is going to be bigger! It’s going to take over, because it’s streaming your plastic box.
Just like your phone does, but this is different because now it counts as a platform. Mark my words.

 

[bitbydeath]

The portal’s biggest drawback is the fact that it cannot directly access the PS Plus game catalog via streaming, that would be a game changer, the portal in its current incarnation cannot even remote play PS3 games from the PS5 that are streaming, the portal has got potential but it just currently feels half baked.

You could remote download a game from the ps plus catalog and then remote play it.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

The joke here is thar their name is deathmark

 

[StealthGoblin]

Not sure why you’re comparing console free streaming to streaming from your console. Different things entirely

Sony's Chronos streaming is no slouch. They are also sitting on a lot of the best console streaming tech patents.

Soon people won't even need a PS5 for the portal and we'll see Chronos streaming on TVs and other devices, all requiring an active PS+ premium subscription.

 

[kruis]

The portal’s biggest drawback is the fact that it cannot directly access the PS Plus game catalog via streaming, that would be a game changer, the portal in its current incarnation cannot even remote play PS3 games from the PS5 that are streaming, the portal has got potential but it just currently feels half baked.

You can install PS+ games remotely on your PS5 from https://library.playstation.com. Your PS5 will turn itself on and install the game even when you're not home.

 

[ADiTAR]

I still think the biggest threat to Xbox is Phil.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Huh?

No

 

[midnightAI]

You can install PS+ games remotely on your PS5 from https://library.playstation.com. Your PS5 will turn itself on and install the game even when you're not home.

I think they mean streaming only. You can install games via Portal if you like, downloads the game to PS5 and you install/play as normal (and you can do it via the PS App also obviously)

(at least I think thats what they mean, if they mean that you cant access your PS+ library and install the games via Portal then that's just wrong)

 

[rofif]

It might initially sell better than Xbox but portal still doesn’t matter. It’s nothing. It’s a needless accessory

 

[MasterCornholio]

What support for Portal?

All it needs is Remote Play.

That's what I mean. Developers don't have to do anything with portal. It just works.

Now PSVR2 requires devs to develop for it. So the content available for it can be scarce if it isn't supported. With Portal everything just works on it without the developers intervention.

 

[MasterCornholio]

What happened ?

You happened that's what.



Anyways to go back to a serious discussion.

Portal seems like a niche product that can work with over 40 million PS5s in the market. However its also true that people can use remote play on their smartphones however that's not the ideal way to play games. Many will be turned off by streaming games onto a touch screen.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The biggest draw to xCloud is that you don’t need to own any hardware except your phone or television. Portal just works on the PS5 you already own. It would be competing only against a slice of what xCloud offers, which is, as you put it, “off console gaming”.

 

[GermanZepp]

my boy O onQ123 laying the message for future self quoting.

 

[Yamisan]

Xbox biggest advantage is Azure when it comes to the future of "Off-Console Gaming" but with Portal in the mix there is a reminder that there is close to 50 million PlayStation servers in people's homes around the world & growing.

You do realize the portal requires the ps5 itself?

 

[SportsFan581]

I'm not seeing where MS even has a competing product here, but okay.

Could Sony be a challenger in the cloud space, of course. We've already seen their patents, thus them looking to grow this alongside the console is not a surprise. I don't see myself picking up a Portal device (assuming direct streaming from cloud becomes a thing) but I might consider getting a controller for the PC is PS5 streaming gets added over there. Depends on how the access there works.

 

[kruis]

The biggest draw to xCloud is that you don’t need to own any hardware except your phone or television. Portal just works on the PS5 you already own. It would be competing only against a slice of what xCloud offers, which is, as you put it, “off console gaming”.

xCloud is dead. MS didn't invest a single cent this year.

 

[Ozriel]

xCloud is dead. MS didn't invest a single cent this year.

‘Decreasing to zero’ doesn’t translate to sending nothing this year.
Not to mention they advertised the service quite a bit in the lead up to Starfield, including expanded support on Samsung TVs and added support to Meta Quest headsets.

Definitely not ‘dead’.

Sony's Chronos streaming is no slouch. They are also sitting on a lot of the best console streaming tech patents.

Soon people won't even need a PS5 for the portal and we'll see Chronos streaming on TVs and other devices, all requiring an active PS+ premium subscription.

Never said it was a slouch or compared poorly against XCloud. When they expand cloud streaming to Portal and other non PlayStation hardware, then OP’s comparison could be apt.

Not before.

 

[Physiognomonics]

With Portal Sony have being smart as they could potentially compete against both Microsoft XCloud (if Sony allow cloud gaming on their device like the rumours say) and Switch convenient bed gaming.

I already read some people using PS portal instead of Switch in some multiplat games because of the much better fidelity / framerate of the PS5 version. This could obviously change with Switch 2 but we will have the same argument once PS5 Pro is released.

I think Sony first created PS Portal to compete against Switch. It seems that they were right as Portal is sold out in most places around the world and most people are using it basically like a Switch, and in some cases instead of their Switch.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

MS itself is the biggest threat for Xbox

 

[Three]

I've bookmarked your words. I think it will be a threat to any Sebile xbox controller plans but not to the console. You've been right a lot of times though so we'll see.

 

[Duchess]

It has nothing to do with beta status. It's the costs of manufacturing and installing custom made cloud gaming servers in data centers all over the world.

Netflix streaming servers can handle ten thousand simultaneous movie streams because ultimately these servers are only uploading video files to your home. But a game streaming server isn't transfering a movie file, it's a server that's running a video game in real time. If you want cloud gaming with XSX quality graphics, then you'd need a custom built XSX cloud gaming server. Instead of serving 10,000 customers, each XSX modular part in that blade server can only handle one simultaneous player. So the economy of scale between movie streaming and game streaming is vastly different. To handle 10,000 simultaenous Xcloud players MS will need to install 10,000 XSX consoles. The more popular cloud gaming gets, the more it costs MS. And since these are custom built Xbox servers they're useless for anything else. These aren't regular Azure cloud servers, these Xbox servers aren't running Windows server OS during non peak gaming hours.

Besides that, MS has stopped investing in xCloud anyway.

My comment was sarcastic.

A quarter of 245 minutes is still over an hour..!

 

[OuterLimits]

For Sony it doesn’t need to be any one thing.

Want VR? Check

Want a remote player? Check

Want a console? Check

Want a sub service? Check

It largely checks all the boxes for whatever you’re interested in. If you don’t just want GamePass Xbox is lacking on many fronts.

Agree. Although the PS+ sub aspect is getting worse by the month. Especially after such a large price hike.

 

[EverydayBeast]

PlayStation is a threat to Xbox for so many reasons.

 

[Billbofet]

It's a device that works with another device that is required in order to work, so you already need/have the console. It won't drive PS5 hardware, but it may sell a few indie games that are not demanding and "fine to run via streaming."
Can't imagine many people seeing this and thinking, well now I have to get a PS5 - most already have it.
Xbox has so many other issues of such larger magnitude - this ain't even a blip in comparison.
Plus, you can already do this on a smartphone. I think it's a cool device, but it's kind of a unique use case for most.

 

[TGO]

I don't see the connection to Xbox
But what will say is my sister told me she's happy she doesn't need to buy switch versions of games now because she can just play the her PS5 version on the Portal

 

[Fahdis]

You can literally play Xbox Gamepass PC on GeForce Now on your phone. There's already a contender. And all you need is a Backbone. Why are people acting like the Portal is the next big thing since sliced bread. Its not.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[simpatico]

Impossible, since each Portal requires a PS5 to function (fatal flaw)

 

[Sushi_Combo]

There's only so much engagement Xcloud can take!

 

[AngelMuffin]

How does one go about marking words?

 

[iHaunter]

I think Portal will become a threat when it gets Bluetooth and OLED screen for the $200 price range it's currently in. And once Sony fully develop their cloud gaming so you can take it more places.

 

[AngelMuffin]

The android pocket is a threat to Xbox

So is the N-Gage.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

You can literally play Xbox Gamepass PC on GeForce Now on your phone. There's already a contender. And all you need is a Backbone. Why are people acting like the Portal is the next big thing since sliced bread. Its not.

Anyone that has used a backbone and has used a PsPortal knows how absolutely ridiculous it would be to ever go back to using that shit ever again

 

[MasterCornholio]

You can literally play Xbox Gamepass PC on GeForce Now on your phone. There's already a contender. And all you need is a Backbone. Why are people acting like the Portal is the next big thing since sliced bread. Its not.

Maybe its the subscription that's the issue.

 

[Fahdis]

Anyone that has used a backbone and has used a PsPortal knows how absolutely ridiculous it would be to ever go back to using that shit ever again

Whats your point? You can literally use a controller with a Bluetooth as well. That includes the Dual Sense. What more excuses?

MasterCornholio explain please.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Whats your point? You can literally use a controller with a Bluetooth as well. That includes the Dual Sense. What more excuses?

MasterCornholio explain please.

Well gamepass doesn't allow you to play everything if I'm not wrong and there's a subscription tied to that. While with Portal you can play everything that you own.

There's advantages to each but I see that one being a downside.

 

[ergem]

Sony's Chronos streaming is no slouch. They are also sitting on a lot of the best console streaming tech patents.

Soon people won't even need a PS5 for the portal and we'll see Chronos streaming on TVs and other devices, all requiring an active PS+ premium subscription.

Sony would have to support it with massive infrastructure of PS5 and PS6 if it comes to that. I don’t see that as cheap.

Leasing your console for cloud streaming so that a casual gamer who happens to be in your town might be served with a streaming PS6 gane would be very cool.

I wonder if the economics of that would be more viable as opposed to a huge infrastructure of consoles in every country and cities.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Sony would have to support it with massive infrastructure of PS5 and PS6 if it comes to that. I don’t see that as cheap.

Leasing your console for cloud streaming so that a casual gamer who happens to be in your town might be served with a streaming PS6 gane would be very cool.

I wonder if the economics of that would be more viable as opposed to a huge infrastructure of consoles in every country and cities.

Not as massive as previously expected after their latest acquisition.

 

[ergem]

Not as massive as previously expected after their latest acquisition.

It has to scale with the demand of course unless you meant the projected demand is not as big as previously expected which I could agree to. I could see cloud streaming becoming a side hustle and not bring the same revenue as the console business.

Let’s see if they can entice the tablet and phone gamers into a subscription but I doubt it.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I don't see the connection to Xbox
But what will say is my sister told me she's happy she doesn't need to buy switch versions of games now because she can just play the her PS5 version on the Portal

Exactly! And contrary to Switch Portal actually has a great and modern controller (probably the best after DS4). Portal has some input latency (depending of the network) but so does Switch in portable mode because of the laggy wireless connexion of the controllers.

 

[onQ123]

PlayStation is a threat to Xbox for so many reasons.

Funny thing is that PlayStation is no longer the threat to Windows that initially pushed Microsoft to jump into the console business in the 1st place lol

Xbox & PlayStation was fighting over the living room TV then Apple, Google & Amazon took over the whole house, car & everywhere else.

We really don't care about consoles doing all that extra stuff anymore because the TVs , phones , tablets , watches & other smart devices can already do it all

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Xbox biggest advantage is Azure when it comes to the future of "Off-Console Gaming" but with Portal in the mix there is a reminder that there is close to 50 million PlayStation servers in people's homes around the world & growing.

Imagine if Portal got a software update to just stream PS games from their cloud and not need a PS5 at all

 

[ergem]

I became curious and googled Sony’s Chronos and it seems the rumor is that it will release in April next year.

The marketing play behind PS Portal is curious. Sony does not want to outrightly say that it will be PS+ premium subscription peripheral.

 

[onQ123]

Imagine if Portal got a software update to just stream PS games from their cloud and not need a PS5 at all

I think Sony is holding off on using data centers for game streaming much like Microsoft is holding off from selling consoles now.

Not sure if anything changed but isn't PlayStation using Azure for cloud gaming?

With people using PS5 as the server they get to sell the server , client & continue to sell the software.

 

[BbMajor7th]

It might initially sell better than Xbox but portal still doesn’t matter. It’s nothing. It’s a needless accessory

For some people yeah, for others not so much. Take your PS5 and stick it out of the way - a cupboard in the hallway, say - and wire it directly to your router. Set your router's port-forwarding to get the latency down as much as possible and now you can have your entire PS5 experience in a single handheld device that moves around the house. It occupies the same space as a Switch, but it has the games of a PS5. It's not so hot out of doors, but for a lot of people, it'd be a great QOL improvement for a few trade-offs.

Imagine if Portal got a software update to just stream PS games from their cloud and not need a PS5 at all

Or phrased another way, imagine if it had the same drawbacks and business overheads as Stadia, PS Now and XCloud? Moving the entire game-streaming infrastructure client-side is actually quite clever.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I think it will be an impressively niche, capable piece of tech for a vast majority of users that will never use it or talk about it after 6 mos. It is a cool piece of technology. But not nearly on the same level or even competing in the same space as a console itself.

 

[onQ123]

Impossible, since each Portal requires a PS5 to function (fatal flaw)

I was told that Xbox Series X shipments was low because most of them was being used for the blade Servers though lol

So you think the fact that the PS5 is in your home vs the Xbox Series X being in a data center changes everything? Lol

 

[RGB'D]

Actually the biggest threat to Xbox is actually the 200 wireless ear buds. Obviously

 

[Papa_Wisdom]

At this point, any other console is a threat to the Xbox.

Prime time for sega to rerelease the Dreamcast.