xMercy
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you realize you can stream ps now games to the portal? If you would actually know what you are talking about you would know its a 1-1 comparison, apple to apple , toddler to toddler
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Mark my words Portal will be bigger threat to Xbox than PS5 it Self
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yurinka
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When companies like Sony or MS talk about "off-console gaming" they mean to expand to PC and mobile gaming markets and in a secondary way to rival consoles. And mostly with native games, because cloud gaming is too niche as of today and will continue to be for at least 5-10 years.
Portal isn't included there because it's a PS5 accesory. It does remote play, which has nothing to do with cloud gaming or online multiplayer.
Inside the development and marketing costs of a AAA game for console, PC or mobile the server costs are a relatively small part of it. In cloud gaming, server costs are the main cost.
But in both cases, inside the server costs the part of Azure, that is the license of the software to manage the servers or renting servers is relatively small. By far the biggest part of the server costs is the internet bandwith and storage spent. That cost is obviously paid by MS, Sony or any gaming company with a cloud gaming service or online multiplayer games, etc and basically costs the same for all of them. It's the same for all. So there's no important advantage for MS. It's a residual advantage, the same than Sony owning most cloud gaming related game streaming patents, that MS and other companies have to pay to use.
Then there's the physical servers. Sony uses their own PS3/PS4/PS5 hardware based servers for PS Cloud gaming, with their own software to manage them. They can't rent Azure servers for that.
Then, there's the datacenters, which are big rooms/buildings full of servers put in optimal conditions. Sony, MS and other companies with huge online services put many servers across the world in datacenters owned by many big and small companies, in most cases local ones who store there servers for Sony, MS, Amazon, Meta, Google, Netflix and any big or small online app, game, web, streaming service etc. All the big companies like Sony, Amazon, MS or Meta have their own datacenters (way more in the case of MS than Sony) but they are often a small part of the total, being the majority of their servers stored in 3rd party datacenters around the world because it's cheaper than to have your own datacenter.
People care about metrics because love gaming and are curious about the performance of the companies to know if they perform better or worse than the others, because that may impact in the future output of the companies (as if investing more or less in this or that type of game because that worked better or worse).
Have nothing to do with the market value of shares. This is a gaming forum, not an investors forum.
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you realize you can stream ps now games to the portal? If you would actually know what you are talking about you would know its a 1-1 comparison, apple to apple , toddler to toddler
I’ll try to explain to you a simply as I can.
Currently, the Portal only works with games streamed from your powered on PS5 console. It’s not the same as a solution designed to stream from a console you don’t own, in a server blade somewhere.
One requires you to own a console and have it on. The other doesn’t.
Hope this helps.
mckmas8808
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What are you trying to say here?
Just wanted to say hey to Sarah
Darkkahn
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Are you a threat to Sarah?
VolticArchangel
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OP is still in his delusion thinking 55 million PS5's being sold to customers, translates to all those 55 million customers going out and spending $200 on top of the $400/$500 they already spent for the console, a 100% attach rate.
Even Sony don't have internal unit sales targets for the Portal, as delusional as the OP. Lol
Even Sony don't have internal unit sales targets for the Portal, as delusional as the OP. Lol
DenchDeckard
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This thread aged like milk.
I don't think the portal is selling well at all, at least from what I've heard in the UK. It had a spike at launch and then a lot of returns. Now it ticks along but no where near any great numbers.
I don't think the portal is selling well at all, at least from what I've heard in the UK. It had a spike at launch and then a lot of returns. Now it ticks along but no where near any great numbers.
midnightAI
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Who have you heard it from?
DenchDeckard
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A senior position in UK retail.
Zuzu
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I’d say the Steam Deck is a significantly bigger threat than the Portal. And I think that as long as the Portal remains a remote play accessory to the PS5 I don’t see how it can be a bigger threat than the PS5 itself. You need a PS5 for it to work so since it’s not standalone then its impact on Xbox is fairly limited imo.
However if Sony ever enables the Portal to be able to stream games independently of a PS5 and if they release a cellular 5G capable version one day then I could see it as being a pretty big product that could further erode the Xbox marketshare especially in demographics who can’t spend much on gaming and might be attracted to something like the Series S. It has the potential to really attack the Series S and perhaps even the Switch.
But it needs it’s own independent streaming app, cellular capability and perhaps even an hdmi out port to connect it to a larger display to reach that potential.
However if Sony ever enables the Portal to be able to stream games independently of a PS5 and if they release a cellular 5G capable version one day then I could see it as being a pretty big product that could further erode the Xbox marketshare especially in demographics who can’t spend much on gaming and might be attracted to something like the Series S. It has the potential to really attack the Series S and perhaps even the Switch.
But it needs it’s own independent streaming app, cellular capability and perhaps even an hdmi out port to connect it to a larger display to reach that potential.
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Zathalus
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Isn't it out of stock basically everywhere? I checked major UK retailers and nobody has stock, PS direct has nothing either.
midnightAI
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Ok, so how come its still out of stock pretty much everywhere? (or low stock/and/or selling for much more than RRP at least)
And this senior position, just the one store or senior position for the whole of the UK?
MonkeyClaw36
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As spam.
MonkeyClaw36
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Who's full of shit. Since its sold out everywhere. Senior position at local ASDA I guess?
Either you're lying or the "Senior position in UK retail" knows fuck all.
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tommib
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You can’t buy them anywhere. Read that as you want.
Mibu no ookami
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Rather than lambast you for what's probably a bit of a hot take, I don't think you're ENTIRELY wrong.
I think that the way forward for this until the tech is truly there is a hybrid approach, which is where I think the Portal might find some success until a couple of things happen.
1) Sony comes out with a PS5 handheld that plays games locally
2) The tech for streaming vastly improves, lower latency i.e. faster speeds, wifi enabled server connected input, greater compression of data
I can only imagine that within a year or two the Portal will enable cloud support. This gives the device a lot of dimensionality. You can play games via PS+ Premium that you don't own or that you do, but maybe you don't even own a PS5 but can play an existing library that you do own, or if you own a PS5 it should be able to test your server quality and make a determination of which to use remote play or cloud.
i.e. is your ps5 on? No, resort to cloud. Yes? is it connected to the internet? No? resort to cloud. Yes? Is the upload speed better than the nearest server with lower latency? No? Resort to cloud? Yes? Connect to remote play.
Cloud for Portal though is massively needed. As is Android/iPhone/MacOS/Windows streaming support.
If Sony had good management they'd have two teams working on roadmaps for handheld and cloud.
The cloud roadmap should prioritize getting PS Portal and Sony TVS up and running with cloud by the end of this year. That's essentially getting it up and running on Android. The year after should be iOS/MacOS/Windows.
The roadmap for handheld should be to ramp up PS Portal availability for end of year and an actual PS5 handheld within 2 years with nearly the same form factor as the PS Portal.
Sony as a hardware company should be dropping key products left and right and to a degree they actually have.
PS5 - November 2020
Dual Sense Edge - January 2023
PSVR2 - February 2023
PS Portal - November 2023
PS5 Slim - November 2023
Pulse Explore - December 2023
Pulse Elite - February 2024
You can tell that supply chain probably delayed a lot of hardware planning. But since the start of last year, they've been on a pretty solid rip. And that doesn't even include the inzone stuff.
DenchDeckard
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Maybe that's why it's not selling too well within retail.
Neither the Steamdeck or the Portal are any threat to any of the mainline consoles, lets be real here. The deck is barely hanging on these days with current gen releases as is.
A Deck 2 will have some more impact, but the big threat to BOTH the Xbox and the PS5 will come from Switch 2 when it shows up this year. If - as the rumors say - it’s powerful enough to receive most 3rd party ports, it’ll cut into sales of both consoles.
DenchDeckard
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Orbital2060
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For this portal device to have any impact like the OP says, theyre going to need to put PS5s in datacenters.
MonkeyClaw36
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Unknown?
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Sarah Bond says every screen is Xbox so they just eliminated this as competition. Genius!
midnightAI
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Exact same?
StereoVsn
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Yeah, I don’t think Sony actually released another decently sized batch of stock post launch.
Not sure what’s going on, but it’s hard to judge demand since there is 0 supply.
Unknown?
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Nope, just stating facts. Swing and a miss!This was undoubtedly a brilliant comment in your head, I’m sure
mckmas8808
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It's still selling over MSRP here in America on EBay and StockX.
MarkMe2525
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I truthfully dont know how to interpret its lack of availability. With what seems to be readily available components, I find it tough to reconcile the idea that it is in extremely high demand, yet Sony is unable to meet that demand. Out of fear that I am not being clear, I will rephrase. It is shown that there is little proprietary technology in the Portal, this would normally suggest that a manufacturer would have little issue sourcing the materials for construction. If the demand is there and apparent, why is Sony not flooding store shelves with Portals?
There has to be something else to the story that I (and many others) are missing. We can surmise that with its relatively low costs, that the Portal is a high value target for scalpers, but I can't imagine they are continuing to buy up available stock. If it were selling gangbusters, it seems as if Sony would follow their own playbook and let us know. Maybe Sony has some reason to believe that they should tackle the Portal availability issue with a conservative approach, regardless of the perceived high demand. Though, I can't for the life of me figure out why.
There has to be something else to the story that I (and many others) are missing. We can surmise that with its relatively low costs, that the Portal is a high value target for scalpers, but I can't imagine they are continuing to buy up available stock. If it were selling gangbusters, it seems as if Sony would follow their own playbook and let us know. Maybe Sony has some reason to believe that they should tackle the Portal availability issue with a conservative approach, regardless of the perceived high demand. Though, I can't for the life of me figure out why.
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Pop
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Why would you want an Xbox hardware anything at this point besides just owning something with the Xbox logo on it.
Want a handheld PC? Get a Steam Deck
Want to play PC games and gamepass? Build a PC
Unless big boy Phil changing strategies today with the future of Xbox and eliminating Day 1s on gamepass, then there's no need for Xbox hardware
Want a handheld PC? Get a Steam Deck
Want to play PC games and gamepass? Build a PC
Unless big boy Phil changing strategies today with the future of Xbox and eliminating Day 1s on gamepass, then there's no need for Xbox hardware
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MiguelItUp
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I personally didn't understand the Portal thing as there's plenty of other ways you can do the same thing with the same performance if not better. I still don't even think the majority realize that it requires wi-fi and a PS5 that needs to be on.
Some folks are saying it's selling like hot cakes, while I've also seen others mention that stock in stores has been 1-3 units at a time rather than 10-20.
I don't know any friends or family that own one or would like to. But from my perspective, it just seems like a neat device that isn't for everyone. So, I don't really know if I'd ever really consider it a "threat."
Some folks are saying it's selling like hot cakes, while I've also seen others mention that stock in stores has been 1-3 units at a time rather than 10-20.
I don't know any friends or family that own one or would like to. But from my perspective, it just seems like a neat device that isn't for everyone. So, I don't really know if I'd ever really consider it a "threat."
Gamer_By_Proxy
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It’s pathetic that a cloud provider is still only streaming at 1080p and has their service still in beta after like 6 years.
Xbox would benefit from a cheap cloud/remote play only device like the Portal. They need easy and cheap ways for the public to use gamepass. And they need a cheaper, streaming only tier for GamePass.
Expecting the general public to use a phone/tablet/tv app, then Bluetooth a separate controller and then pay the top tier $20/month with no annual or Black Friday discounts is ridiculous. No one will do that.
But a Xbox portal with a $10/month GamePass . . . now it’s interesting.
Xbox would benefit from a cheap cloud/remote play only device like the Portal. They need easy and cheap ways for the public to use gamepass. And they need a cheaper, streaming only tier for GamePass.
Expecting the general public to use a phone/tablet/tv app, then Bluetooth a separate controller and then pay the top tier $20/month with no annual or Black Friday discounts is ridiculous. No one will do that.
But a Xbox portal with a $10/month GamePass . . . now it’s interesting.
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Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
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lmao, this niBBa
MarkMe2525
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The necro bump is very on brand for OP.
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FrankWza
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Well it was DoA so what other kind of bump could it have...
StreetsofBeige
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Why do you always bump your old posts and threads?
MarkMe2525
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I wouldn't be surprised if he jarred his own farts, just to get a whiff at a later date.
Because I'm from the future & today is actually the day I made this thread.
Keep moving forward!
Polygonal_Sprite
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Xbox is a software publisher now between console, PC and mobile and they will be very successful compared to selling consoles for hundreds of dollars loss with every box they sell. They’re just letting their hardcore fans down gently over a few years before every Xbox game is day one on every platform.