Vanity Paradise would legit make me turn on "stage music".
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Vanity Paradise would legit make me turn on "stage music".
Leak for DLC pack to be released Q3 2019
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Edit: Damn, imagine they announce Inhumans vs Street Fighter in the future lol.
rackham
Banned
I'm wondering if I should buy this game. It seems it's going to be DLC heavy. Are there going to be unlockable costumes or will it all be paid DLC. I don't think I can support a game like that. At least with something like Overwatch there is in game currency and loot boxes are easy to get.
I do want to play as X and Zero but it's just giving me a bad feeling.
And then I'd have to decide if I want the steelbook or to go digital. eugh.
I do want to play as X and Zero but it's just giving me a bad feeling.
And then I'd have to decide if I want the steelbook or to go digital. eugh.
NoctisVsStar
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It's 2017, it's the norm. Everything is paid dlc.. outside some colors.
The good old days are gone.
rackham
Banned
Bad excuse. Will it be unlockable in game with in game currency? If it is, I don't mind.
No in-game currency. Just good old "traditional" paid dlc. Nothing like the unethical loot box system or crappy and time consuming fight money system.
Costumes is something you can live without and non day one DLC fighters in fighting games is not a bad thing, sure it's not like ARMS where all the fighters will be free, but it's new content for one of my fave genres.
Yeah, but in the context of the fighting game genre, "the good old days" was buying the entire game again with a slightly updated roster, i say this move is maginally better.
rackham
Banned
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Oh stop. With a playerbase like this I can already tell I won't like the game.
No in game currency, Capcom is betting this game on DLC big time. You can even see that the base roster was influenced heavily by who they can sell more easily as DLC.
If you are against crappy DLC practices then this game would be the one to vote against with your wallet.
Yes. If only all characters were free and costumes were relegated to loot boxes for this game. It'd be a win-win.
Tons of costumes since they'd be incentivized to make them, and everyone has access to all characters.
rackham
Banned
Blizzard manages to do with it and make massive amounts of money from lootboxes.
Don't think I can support a full priced game with no unlockables and the company looking to gouge the consumer for every piece of content.
Ok. In what way are lootboxes from something like Overwatch bad or are you just parroting what you have no knowledge of
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
win (for us) -lose (for Capcom) if there are so many people not giving a crap about costumes
Jawmuncher
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If it makes all stages and characters free I'm all for lootboxes
That's not something we would know the result of. If people don't give a crap about costumes, I don't see how making them standard paid DLC is any more of a win.
TheSpoiler
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Loot boxes are real cute until necessary things like characters and stages are being rng shit. Costumes are whatever but even then you have to hit a good medium of percentages on drops. Blizzards economy isn't even that good so I don't know why people are listing it
rackham
Banned
So tell us why Loot boxes from something like Overwatch is bad and paid DLC is the way to go
It's similar to the system League of legends uses, everything can be unlocked with in game currency with the sole exception of costumes, it's the only thing that can only be bought with real money, and believe me, LoL makes a lot of money.
It's similar to what SFV tried, but with more reasonable ways to earn the in game currency.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems, Loot boxes are awesome because you can randomly get free stuff, but they suck when timed event content comes out and you're at the mercy of the RNG gods because there is no direct real money purchase option and (in overwatch for example) the acquisition of in game currency is a kick in the nuts, in systems like this it means you might spend a lot of real money on loot boxes and still not get what you want, just check OW threads and how prevalent the complains about lootboxes are, tho at least Blizzard claims theyre changing the system.
Traditional DLC has the advantage that you can buy it exactly what you want any time, but sucks that there is no unlock option for free.
At least you can pick & choose what to buy. With loot boxes, there's no certainty that you'll even get the credits needed for the costume you want. I say this as someone who loves Overwatch, but the 2017 Summer Games grind was real.
rackham
Banned
Yeah honestly if you want to post stuff like this do you mind backing it up. What do you mean characters and stages are rng shit and their economy isn't good
That's really uninformed. You get currency from lootboxes and can then purchase what you want. And if you really want to go down that route, you can still buy lootboxes
Doctrine Dark
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I'm not sure what answer you're looking for. The game is being treated as a "service", where there'll be DLC released over time.
So no, those costumes and characters aren't unlockables.
So no, those costumes and characters aren't unlockables.
People don't like loot boxes because they're not guaranteed the item they're spending the money for, but they also don't want to have to wait and/or grind in game currency to get the tings they want RIGHT NOW.
People don't like paid dlc because it's usually more expensive than they're okay with, and they'd rather the company just release a "complete game."
People don't like re-buying games for super/hyper/ultra edition upgrades because they don't want to be forced into buying the "same game" multiple times.
People don't like paid dlc because it's usually more expensive than they're okay with, and they'd rather the company just release a "complete game."
People don't like re-buying games for super/hyper/ultra edition upgrades because they don't want to be forced into buying the "same game" multiple times.
I personally would rather pay for what I want upfront.
Timed event contents are not a disadvantage of the system. It just so happens Overwatch makes use of it that way, doesn't mean another game employing the same system would have to have timed events.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...games-why-they-dont-make-em-like-they-used-to
There are more interesting information in the article, and they already came forward more than Capcom could have lately.
There are more interesting information in the article, and they already came forward more than Capcom could have lately.
Undead Fantasy
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I know, was just listing an example of how lootboxes can be inconvenient. Also, because timed event loot is added in order to drive up loot box sales.
Edit: As much as i mentioned positively LoL, even they have lootbox shenanigans with skins that can only be acquired either by getting the skin itself in a lootbox or by collecting several "shard" items that are an incredibly rare drop ratio that also only appear in loot boxes, so if you want those skins you have to sink real money into loot boxes rather than directly buying like EVERY OTHER SKIN in the game.
Dragonball is big business for all parties involved. For Bamco's sake, it's started to give Gundam a run for its yen, and we know how long Gundam Vs. games can stay in the race (among others).
For that reason alone, I could see Fighterz being supported for the long haul. It'd also fit in fine with the ideal that Xenoverse 3 likely isn't going to be a thing for several more years and so would give Fighterz the breathing room it needs.
I've always been down with Super/Hyper/Ultra editions of games. I'm real sad that they've stopped with those.
If they want to maximise profits, it absolutely is inherent of the lootbox/gatcha system to have timed events. Limited time specials encourage spending if you want one particular thing.
If they want to maximise profits, it absolutely is inherent of the lootbox/gatcha system to have timed events. Limited time specials encourage spending if you want one particular thing.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, technically, all they said that we only need one disc so there is a good chance they could do Super version in the future.
Here's my vision of a loot box system that'd I'd like to see:
- Characters and Stages are Free
- Costumes are gained via loot box or purchased through in-game currency
- Loot boxes are purchasable or gained through reaching in-game milestones, every TBD# of opened loot boxes guarantees one rare costume
- Percent chance of item rarity displayed before purchasing any loot boxes
- In-game currency gained from continued play online, multiplayer, and story mode
- "Less rare" costumes gained through continued play of said character
- No timed event costumes, stages or any other content
- All characters have two or three costumes available to play by default
Alas. We already know what we're getting.
Also continued content release is not enough of an incentive to buy?
- Characters and Stages are Free
- Costumes are gained via loot box or purchased through in-game currency
- Loot boxes are purchasable or gained through reaching in-game milestones, every TBD# of opened loot boxes guarantees one rare costume
- Percent chance of item rarity displayed before purchasing any loot boxes
- In-game currency gained from continued play online, multiplayer, and story mode
- "Less rare" costumes gained through continued play of said character
- No timed event costumes, stages or any other content
- All characters have two or three costumes available to play by default
Alas. We already know what we're getting.
These weren't received well. BUT almost any monetization method isn't received well by one person or another.
Perhaps. Though I'd argue they only need to turn a good profit, vs maximizing.
Also continued content release is not enough of an incentive to buy?
What if it's like what Overwatch did for Summer Games 2 where the stuff from the first summer games came back for a second go around? So stuff was still timed, but not "one time only" limited.
Because loot boxes need some timed stuff. Otherwise only whales would buy them.
I get the whole "Because X-men" argument, but if we have supposed teases of Wolverine and Doom getting added later on, then why would Deadpool be left out? If it were the case to make "Gwenpool" playable, then you'd think the leaks would have mentioned her instead...
Not going to question the leaks though since (like most other things besides the file names,) they should be taken with an extra grain of salt.
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That and I'm concerned as well if they will actually charge for UMvC3 characters. If that were to happen...
Of course they're charging for returning MVC3 characters as DLC.
You say this as if it was a bad thing [for the consumer].
PadWarrior
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This. It's what I'm gonna do.
Yeah... Felt like it would have been redundant to finish that sentence...
TheSpoiler
Member
In terms of characters and stages, I'm saying earning any of that stuff through RNG is asking for trouble for fighting games. That shit is wack, and is a headache for tournament play or otherwise. I'd rather a system like FM be in place, where you can spend time with the game and earn it that way OR just buy'em.
Blizzard's new loot system is booty garbage. Less dupes is nice, but I get less cash on the regular because of it. And because I'm getting less cash, I'm getting more non-costume type items, or effectively, less ways for me to acquire in-game currency. Loot box systems are a fine line that's difficult to balance. You either make things so easy to obtain there's no real reason to have the loot box system, or you make it so difficult people just get pissy they aren't earning things fast enough.
Having options kinda solves this issue, by way of in-game currency or whatever. But even that has its own economy. Personally, FM was decent in and of itself, it just needs more content to gain (like costumes and such) and earn things in so people can earn things a little faster than what they have now. And if you don't have a steady supply of content to deliver to the consumer, it's hard to keep that shit balanced.
This would work. But Capcom would have to continously produce those costumes to justify such a system.
Although unlikely, there are ways for them to be clever about it.
Depending on the number of DLC characters, they could either charge less for MvC3 characters or make them free, and set the price for the new characters so that the total price for the season pass adds up to whatever amount they feel they need to charge. That way they could harvest some good PR while in principle charging the same price.
But I'm sure they have numbers that tell them that they have to charge the same amount for each character for some reason.
Well, it might be. Probably not for Blizzard, who's big enough to support their games no matter what, but if someone like Capcom implemented loot boxes and no one spent money on them, I wouldn't expect them to keep supporting that game with any kind of meaningful extra content for much longer.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
I wouldn't mind fight money again.
I have a majority of the dlc characters in SFV and I haven't spent a single cent on any of them.
I have a majority of the dlc characters in SFV and I haven't spent a single cent on any of them.
I see no difference between that, and the way they're currently doing it. If no one pays for the character DLC, the same conclusion will be reached.
Doctrine Dark
Member
Capcom giving away free characters would be nice.
It ain't happening.
It ain't happening.
Oh for sure. Loot box success is predicated on having enough whales to subsidize all of the other players that don't buy any of them because they either don't care about what's in them or are fine with unlocking that stuff a lot more slowly.
You might be able to get away with them in a WB fighter or a Smash game (were Nintendo the kind of company to do that), but not a Capcom fighter, and certainly not a modern Capcom one.
Coming soon: Amiibo blind boxes!
They could work in MK, maaaybe SF but this particular iteration sold like shit.
But FGs need to figure out how to increase player retention and creating those reward feedback loops first. NRS is putting the most work into trying to do that by far.
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