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Media Create Sales: 10 - 16 July
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JoshuaJSlone
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Well, not Minish Cap. But yeah, the Mario platformers were ports. But neither does it make sense to say that Mario games will sell more than 3 million, when it hasn't happened for well over a decade.cvxfreak said:
Moor-Angol
Banned
JoshuaJSlone said:
nSMB is now about 2,2mln units sold, considering this week it will have a peak due to DSL Pink release, it can reach 2,5mln milestone until middle August and considering around 50k units/week in the next months i think it can get over 3mln mark around begining of Holiday Season in Japan (middle November)
Walter Matthau
Member
LanceStern said:
Both Pokemons were released at the same time. Mushiking was released about a half year later after the game already sold over 500k on the GBA.
200k benchmark? Only about 10% of all titles on all consoles should aspire to hit such a number and only about half of them will (In Japan, alone). I'm not sure how many titles are released each week across all consoles/portables, but most of them will never even see the Top 25.
parathod said:
His argument falls apart even further when you consider that most of the major "real games" on the DS are tracking pretty close to their GBA counterparts -- some lagging slightly behind, some exceeding. Mana DS has passed Mana GBA; Slime Morimori 2 is only slightly behind Morimori 1 (~20k); Mario & Luigi's not that far behind. Etc.
LanceStern said:
Lance: When I complained about your posts last week, it's because you seem to have a complete lack of perspective here on how these games should be performing.
It's absurd to say that sub-100k is automatically loser/failure/bomb status. It's ridiculous to say that anything below 300k is unacceptable for a budgeted, advertised game. Are you even familiar with how most games sell in Japan? I know you track the sales, but are you actually reading and comprehending the numbers?
While lambasting Children of Mana's piddly 280k sales (wtf?), you are ignoring that it's now passed the GBA's Mana game -- not to mention that it's outsold major PS2 RPGs like Wild Arms 3/4/ACF, Xenosaga 2/3, Grandia 3, BOF5, Dark Cloud 2, Disgaea 1/2, Front Mission 4/5, Digital Devil Saga 2/3, Okami, Arc the Lad 4, Suikoden 5 -- all of which have sold below 300k.
Get some freaking perspective here. Children of Mana was never going to be a million-seller.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Yoshi said:
the reason is simple: no new Mario games on GBA, and this was one of the biggest disappointment Nintendo gave us on GBA
ps: SML1 sold over 4mln, only SMB1 did better in Japan
Moor-Angol
Banned
ethelred said:
psssst: don't say him that CoM sold more than any other 2006 release for PSP
jarrod said:It's actually sold almost double the top 2006 PSP release (which was also a Square Enix release).
On a userbase of 3x the amount.
The truth is the DS is on a huge success ride here but only 1 company is riding that, and that's Nintendo. I mean when your best third party entries cap at around 300k during the best possible time for your handheld, then the future doesn't look bright for them.
The PSP has potential for third parties. The DS is formula. Nintendo games then everything else. So you're fighting for the scraps Nintendo is done with.
Then also remember that Nintendo, if having a monopoly (and did with GBA and NES before that) have and would **** over third parties in royalty fee's and whatever else they could. Sony never did that.
That's why a majority of releases are going to PSP except from companies that have niche titles (unique to DS style/market) or enough sway to do that 300k COM did. Even though the DS has 3x the userbase.
Tabris said:
Hi Mono, thanks for coming back for a visit!
Kiriku said:
And your point is... what? That has nothing to do with sales. Final Fantasy III is a remake, too. Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes, and they sold in the millions. Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song was a remake that did close to 500k.
Being a remake of a popular game is not a barrier to sales, it's an enhancer -- especially when the remake is so completely thorough that you're practically playing a new game (as was the case with Sword of Mana, RoSaGa, Wild ARMs ACF, etc.).
Sword of Mana was a remake; Children of Mana was a spinoff. That doesn't change the fact that COM has outsold a huge host of other big name, big budget PS2 RPGs (which you dropped from the quote you did).
Joe Molotov
Member
Tabris said:
So it sold twice as much on a system with 3X the userbase of the PSP...that averages out a win for the PSP!!! Yeah! Go PSP!!!
Joe Molotov
Member
neo2046 said:
Unison said:
I want the English version of it. Language training games, too.
As is typical of the non-games, the people who will buy it, for the most part, aren't really paying attention to it being available. They just browse the DS section occasionally, see a game/software that they could use, and pick it up. Therefore it should continue to sell, too. This one might actually not make it to 1 million, though.
As for the third-party argument, Kurosaki Ichigo has it right. They both stink with the DS stinking a little less.
However, the system with the most potential for third-parties is the system with the largest userbase. Whether that potential is ever realized is another matter. Grampa Simpson
Banned
Here is the thing. When the PSP was announced, it was like (and may have litteraly been in some cases) Sony telling everybody that since they managed to pretty much obliterate all comers during the last two console generations they were going to have a repeat performance in the handheld arena.Tabris said:
Everyone believed them and every Japanese company that was banking on Sony being right has been scrambling since Christmas to put together some quality products for the DS as opposed to the SNES ports and B-Team games that they were using to hedge their bets until now.
Quality 3rd party products are coming to the DS, and quality products will sell on the DS with the same hit and miss ratios that they do on every other system that is king of the hill.
I'm sure that Western publishers are stradling the picket fence on this one right now too. Nobody really knows which system will come out on top in the US and Europe at this point.
I totally called this.
Navi DS is going to have legs and is going to join Braintraining as a perenial member of the MC charts. Plus its so damn easy it should be illegal. Just wait for DS Mexican food Navi, DS Chinese food Navi, DS American Cheezburger Navi, DS French Navi and DS Italian Navi.
In fact, I think I'm having a jarrod like vision from the future
MC chart, sometime in 2007:
1. DS Italian Food Navi
2. Adult Brain Training
3. Nintencats: Hideous shaved leper cat (you know the one) and friends
4. DS Oryouri Navi
5. Pokemon Cubic Zyrconium DS
6. DS Chinese Food Navi
7. Nintencats: Lime cat and friends
8. Brain Training for Alzheimers... Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers
9. NSMB 2 (joy)
10. DS Washing your car Navi
Navi DS is going to have legs and is going to join Braintraining as a perenial member of the MC charts. Plus its so damn easy it should be illegal. Just wait for DS Mexican food Navi, DS Chinese food Navi, DS American Cheezburger Navi, DS French Navi and DS Italian Navi.
In fact, I think I'm having a jarrod like vision from the future
MC chart, sometime in 2007:
1. DS Italian Food Navi
2. Adult Brain Training
3. Nintencats: Hideous shaved leper cat (you know the one) and friends
4. DS Oryouri Navi
5. Pokemon Cubic Zyrconium DS
6. DS Chinese Food Navi
7. Nintencats: Lime cat and friends
8. Brain Training for Alzheimers... Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers...Brain training for Alzheimers
9. NSMB 2 (joy)
10. DS Washing your car Navi
Barf_the_Mog
powerless or are they? o_O
So let me get this straight. A third party DS game selling double what a third party game does on the PSP (both coincidentally from the same company) is a failure because it has 3x the userbase?
The reason this is happening is the fact that Nintendo has a more diverse audience. Some like quick puzzle games, some like traditional platformers, while others may like RPGs. What this is telling us, though, is that there are double the users on the DS who are interested in RPGs.
The reason this is happening is the fact that Nintendo has a more diverse audience. Some like quick puzzle games, some like traditional platformers, while others may like RPGs. What this is telling us, though, is that there are double the users on the DS who are interested in RPGs.
neo2046 said:
64% of the Bleach 3 shipment was sold in a day? Sony mustn't have had high hopes for the title, unless there would be more shipments; which i don't doubt, but not anytime soon. I guess going up against the cook book is a bad idea, LOL. Good to see it doing well, gotta love those expanding markets and non-brainers, i mean non-gamers
.Grampa Simpson
Banned
What gets me is that they had the confidence to manufacture 200k units of the silly cooking game.moku said:
Grampa Simpson
Banned
mmmmmm.... Poodleburger.Fuzzy said:
Barf_the_Mog
powerless or are they? o_O
ethelred said:
:lol :lol :lol
It's so true. When I was in Hawaii, I had some mystery meat that a local later told me was dog. I'm pretty sure he was joking, but just bringing that up in the first place is a little creepy.
Edit:
Oh cool CVX, I didn't know you were Filipino. Are you of mixed Euro ancestory or pure blooded?
marvelharvey
Member
Mahal na mahal kitacvxfreak said:I'm Filipino and wasn't offended.
marvelharvey
Member
cvxfreak said:Dude, aren't you British?
BTW my Tagalog is pretty bad.
My ex taught me it, it's the only phrase I know
... a very important one none the less!Barf_the_Mog
powerless or are they? o_O
cvxfreak said:Mixed, with Spanish and some Chinese blood, and thus a Mestizo. I'm light-skinned.
Heh. You misunderstand me. I wasn't interested in a skin color sense. It's just that there was a Filipino girl from one of my classes when I went to a private school where she had a Spanish great-grandparent on one side and an American grandparent on the other. The rest of her family were locals...she looked purely Filipino yet had even lighter, more vibrant blue eyes than me. (and I'm of Irish/Norwegian/German stock) That's why I was interested to see if you were mixed. So no...no racism on my part.