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LanceStern
Banned
While I'm absolutely thrilled by Animal Crossing and DS Hardware sales, it's very upsetting to see Japan IGNORE the Handheld Mana series.
I mean, VALKYRE PROFILE FOR A SYSTEM WITH HALF THE USERBASE has almost caught up to total CoM sales, DS owners in Japan need to start taking a look at other games besides Brain Training and Animal Crossing.
But Nintendo and Square Enix also have to start PUMPING OUT commercials after commercials and get some name recognition. They shouldn't be able to watch ANY channel for an hour without seeing a 15 second long COM commercial with GAME FOOTAGE.
Same goes for Nintendo of AMerica. Start advertising those 3rd party games and the wide variety of games for the DS. It's embarassing
I mean, VALKYRE PROFILE FOR A SYSTEM WITH HALF THE USERBASE has almost caught up to total CoM sales, DS owners in Japan need to start taking a look at other games besides Brain Training and Animal Crossing.
But Nintendo and Square Enix also have to start PUMPING OUT commercials after commercials and get some name recognition. They shouldn't be able to watch ANY channel for an hour without seeing a 15 second long COM commercial with GAME FOOTAGE.
Same goes for Nintendo of AMerica. Start advertising those 3rd party games and the wide variety of games for the DS. It's embarassing
soundwave05
Member
neo2046 said:
That's a good point ... this game hasn't been reviewed as well as the other Mana games and isn't even made by the same team that made previous Mana games.
So y'know it's possible (maybe just maybe) that some of the Mana faithful aren't buying the game having heard some of the word of mouth.
I mean Mario Kart still sold 1+ million copies and counting ... so I think that shows regular games can sell to the DS audience as well.
LanceStern
Banned
That's fine and dandy for MKDS to sell a million and very good. But I want to see more non-Nintendo developed/Published games breaking at least 300,000 IN BOTH US AND JAPAN.
The only 3rd party game to break 300k in the US is Spider Man, and that was a launch title. That's horrible. Castlevania, Yugioh, Madden, Trauma Center (at least 200k), SOnic Rush, Kirby, Advance Wars, Tony Hawk, Phoenix Wright (at least 50,000), etc. should have done that. Though some of those I listed may not be EXTREMELY high quality or even on there, it would give the developers the idea that diverse and mainstream games can sell well, not just Nintendo's games.
It's a combination of poor advertising and ignorant purchasers who stick to one or two games and leave the others to bite the dust. Very sickening.
Oh well, either they will shape up, or lose the US market. They don't have to worry about Japan unless those 3rd party games don't sell over 100k.
The only 3rd party game to break 300k in the US is Spider Man, and that was a launch title. That's horrible. Castlevania, Yugioh, Madden, Trauma Center (at least 200k), SOnic Rush, Kirby, Advance Wars, Tony Hawk, Phoenix Wright (at least 50,000), etc. should have done that. Though some of those I listed may not be EXTREMELY high quality or even on there, it would give the developers the idea that diverse and mainstream games can sell well, not just Nintendo's games.
It's a combination of poor advertising and ignorant purchasers who stick to one or two games and leave the others to bite the dust. Very sickening.
Oh well, either they will shape up, or lose the US market. They don't have to worry about Japan unless those 3rd party games don't sell over 100k.
soundwave05
Member
I think Final Fantasy IV and/or Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles can sell 300k in Japan and the US.
The problem with titles like Castlevania, Sonic Rush, etc. is that 2D, sprite-styled games just don't sell to kids/teenagers these days. Even Nintendo's Princess Peach probably is not going to sell huge numbers.
On the PSP, I bet Ghouls N' Goblins will probably not sell a ton either.
So while I enjoy these types of games, really it seems like a lot of developers aren't putting much effort into their DS projects and yielding the results of that, or they're making games that really don't have much commercial appeal.
The problem with titles like Castlevania, Sonic Rush, etc. is that 2D, sprite-styled games just don't sell to kids/teenagers these days. Even Nintendo's Princess Peach probably is not going to sell huge numbers.
On the PSP, I bet Ghouls N' Goblins will probably not sell a ton either.
So while I enjoy these types of games, really it seems like a lot of developers aren't putting much effort into their DS projects and yielding the results of that, or they're making games that really don't have much commercial appeal.
Dark Dragon said:This is asking a lot but does anybody have tracking sales for the Brain titles from week 1 to current?
BT. ie:
week1. 40k (may-05)
week 2.
current.
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34487 (Feb 26)Dark Dragon said:This is asking a lot but does anybody have tracking sales for the Brain titles from week 1 to current?
BT. ie:
week1. 40k (may-05)
week 2.
current.
:lol
Check here: Brain Training Weekly Sales
Brain Training 1 without a doubt has the biggest legs of any game after the original Pokemon.
Looks like WRC Championship (Sony,PSP), I.Q Mania (Sony,PSP), XI Coliseum (Sony,PSP), Lemmings (Sony,PSP) and Bomberman (Sony,PSP), all released this week, failed to reach the top 50. Last week we had Blade Dancer (Sony,PSP) and Derby Time 2006 (Sony,PSP) bombing and the week before that Monster Kingdom (Sony,PSP) sales debuted at less than 20k. Real heavy support from Sony but nothing sells, but then again, someone told me third party sales are all that counts...
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
From the impressions I've heard of COM, I'm not surprised it's doing less than other Mana games. It sounds like they did away with the plot and turned it into a dungeon crawler. Sure the previous games didn't have brilliantly crafted stories, but they were there, and were compelling. If square wants to sell games, they should make the games themselves.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
jj984jj said:It still deserves better sales then Sword of Mana.
Why? Sword of Mana was a remake of the first game right? The old Final Fantasy Adventure? Of course, I've only played the original, not Sword Of Mana (or COM). But from the impressions at least, i think I can say: decent port > dungeon crawling easter egg hunt simulator.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It's worth taking into account, though, that 14 months after initial launch, each system had been out this long:Twix said:
JP : worse
US-EU : better.
PS1
JPN: 14 months
US: 5 months
EU: 4.5 months
PS2
JPN: 14 months
US: 6.5 months
EU: 5.5 months
PSP
JPN: 14 months
US: 11.5 months
EU: 5 months
So things certainly seem to be doing a lot better for the PSP in Europe, but the US increase is probably explained away by the extra 5 months of availability.
Ehh, let's consider this again in 6 months.cvxfreak said:
A Link to the Past
Banned
jett said:
Yeah, I forgot, not saying that it is definite fact that Children of Mana will show long legs is the same as saying it will have long legs, period.
I said that people are assuming it will not have long legs, ignoring reality. Yeah, remember when the exact same thing was said with Slime MoriMori 2? No? Well, typically, Tools don't like to acknowledge reality.
Kobun Heat
Member
You guys make me want to punch myself in the face. Can I say that?
CoM is going to sell over 200,000 copies. In 2005, only sixty games passed that mark in Japan. 200,000 copies is a success. If you're all spoiled by the DS' runaway hits, that's great, but it's not as if every single DS game has to live up to this standard. I assure you that Square Enix is quite pleased with its DS forecast.
CoM is going to sell over 200,000 copies. In 2005, only sixty games passed that mark in Japan. 200,000 copies is a success. If you're all spoiled by the DS' runaway hits, that's great, but it's not as if every single DS game has to live up to this standard. I assure you that Square Enix is quite pleased with its DS forecast.
Indeed. 200k isn't a total bomb and it's a moderate success and we can sit here all day and make various excuses as to why it didn't sell better, but I think most people expected it to do more (me included).
Having said that, Nintendo 1st party games on DS are making everything else look bad and a lot of the 3rd party sales on DS in Japan have been similar to that found on GBA- handheld versions of Seiken Densetsu, Tales etc are probably never going to sell as well as console versions, no matter how big the userbase is or how great they are. I think games are selling well enough for publishers to keep them coming, which is the main thing here.
Having said that, Nintendo 1st party games on DS are making everything else look bad and a lot of the 3rd party sales on DS in Japan have been similar to that found on GBA- handheld versions of Seiken Densetsu, Tales etc are probably never going to sell as well as console versions, no matter how big the userbase is or how great they are. I think games are selling well enough for publishers to keep them coming, which is the main thing here.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
Dark Dragon said:
I used the figures from ioi's website to make these graphs:
Monorojo said:
I knew that you would say only "Sony FTW !", "Sony Yeah".
Find something more original to say please.
It is clear that Monster Hunter Portable is selling good: that's because there's nothing else good on PSP, and who has thought that PSP would have a lot of AAA title, now understand that is only the kingdom of the ports and remake. But he understand also, that is not a good idea to sell the console, because nobody will pay 1/4 for an used console.
So, they buy the only AAA & Original title: Monster Hunter PSP.
That's all.
The_lascar
Member
Media Create.
lochnesssnowman
Member
lancubap said:
While Monorojo is a numpty, you are hardly covering yourself in glory with comments like this either.
lancubap said:
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
+Aliken+ said:
it's just a few posts above!
ioi said:
Viewtiful Darkness
Member
LanceStern said:
Nintendo can't really control third party advertising. It's up to the third party companies to decide to advertise their DS games or not.
i think com is selling well, considering the current state of the japanese market.
all the success the ds has brought is clouding the fact more traditional gaming is continuing to decline in japan, in quite a spectacular way!
there are a few exceptions, kingdom hearts, monster hunter, etc, and no doubt final fantasy, but more often than not franchise after franchise and genre after genre, gaming is just dying in japan.
take ds sales out of the top 50 and you're left with a pitiful showing.
developers must be panicking, big time, and praying next gen brings some recovery.
all the success the ds has brought is clouding the fact more traditional gaming is continuing to decline in japan, in quite a spectacular way!
there are a few exceptions, kingdom hearts, monster hunter, etc, and no doubt final fantasy, but more often than not franchise after franchise and genre after genre, gaming is just dying in japan.
take ds sales out of the top 50 and you're left with a pitiful showing.
developers must be panicking, big time, and praying next gen brings some recovery.
Archie said:
Eh?
The difference being that Ruby / Sapphire did 3m in it's first 5-6 weeks so very doubtful- Brain Training 2 is essentially 2m behind but assuming it has similar legs that would put it at 3m+:
http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/...rain+Training+2&name2=Pokemon+Ruby+/+Sapphire
The way things are going at the moment I think we're looking at:
Animal Crossing- 3.3m
Brain Training 2- 2.8m
Brain Training- 2.6m
And it depends what we mean by longer legs. BT1 and BT2 have sold very differently so far- BT2 won't still be doing 40k a week nearly 12 months later but then BT1 didn't do a million in 3 weeks. As I've used before, some good comparisons are:
Animal Crossing:
http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/...rossing:+Wild+World&name2=Donkey+Kong+Country
And AC is gonna make up the 200k lead in the next few weeks and steam past DKC's 3m I think...
Brain Training 2:
http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/japcomp.php?name1=Brain+Training+2&name2=Gran+Turismo
And BT2 is also going to pull well ahead of GT in the next couple of months.
So I think 3m and 2.5m are very safe bets. And who knows about BT, there's nothing to really compare it to apart from Pokemon R/G/B which it obviously looks a little silly against. Or maybe Super Mario World... lol:
http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/japcomp.php?name1=Brain+Training&name2=Super+Mario+World
Difference is that while BT has huge "intermediate legs" (i.e first 12 months or so) I can't see it having the "long-term" legs (3-4 years later) that SMW etc had. I could be wrong though!!
