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[Aquamarine]

That MH MMO isn't this year ?

According to Dengeki, the rest of 2013 looks like this for Wii U:

November 28th:
1) Disney Infinity: Starter Pack (¥7,980)
2) Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (¥7,770)

December 5th:
1) Dragon Quest X Expansion (¥3,990)
2) Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games (¥5,985)
3) Batman: Arkham Origins (¥7,980)

December 11th:
1) Monster Hunter Frontier G: Beginner's Package (¥6,090)

December 12th:
NOTHING

December 19th:
NOTHING

December 26th:
NOTHING

 

[Ratrat]

Wouldn't exactly call that "aggressive" tbh.

Does it coincide with a game release, though?

Tearaway!


Lol
It's still new colors and great value for the bundle.

 

[L~A]

Yeah, Capcom though MHFG wasn't going to bomb hard enough, so they released the Wii U version two weeks after the PS3 version

Looks like Super Mario 3d World should start around 150k, pretty much what I was expecting, though I wouldn't be surprised if it hit 130k instead. Taiko is... well... """ok""" (?) considering the difference in userbase, but those numbers sure ain't hot.

But yeah, looks like Wii U sales are gonna nosedive after New Year... again, not surprising : /

 

[Aquamarine]

What does the Beginner's Package for MHFG consist of?

And it looks like New Ateiler is going to be the 4th (or is it 3rd?) game to have the PSV version do better than the PS3 version.

• Game Disk
• Game Guide
• 60 Days game-time voucher
• 16 different in-game benefits

 

[extralite]

After Dragon's Crown and Persona 4 Golden I expected a bit more than a rhythm game.

Atlus is just following their established patterns. "Kiddy" spin-off of their main franchise for a Nintendo handheld system (like Last Bible and Devil Children on GB), big new Persona title on a console that just turned last gen and [well founded speculation]port of P5 with added content later on Vita[/speculation], because large numbers of Atlus fans buy their games twice (or thrice).

Other genre games (fighting, adventure) of the same franchise/team on platforms they will bring main games to later is relatively new but that music game for Vita can only mean good things in the future. Maybe P6 when PS3 is dead but PS4 is still too small?

 

[hiska-kun]

That MH MMO isn't this year ?

He said notable. And it's already on PS3 now.

 

[extralite]

Tsutaya Software Sales Rankings: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)
13./NEW [PS3] Monster Hunter Frontier G: Beginner's Package

Comgnet Software Sales Rankings: Week 47, 2013 (Nov 18 - Nov 24)
08. [PS3] Monster Hunter Frontier G: Beginner's Package – 65pt

I guess that is pretty good for a game that is currently free to download on PSN. Wii U/eShop will be the same.

Obviously this release is meant to sell to existing console owners and to test which platform has more active MH fans. PS3 was used for ad-hoc party PSP over internet play and the HD Remaster, Wii U has MH3G HD and DQX (which has some cross over with fans of MH style gameplay).

 

[michaelius]

He said notable. And it's already on PS3 now.

MH Freedom has more potential than DQ rerelease or any other Wii U 3rd party title currently annouced except Taiko.




Also Atelier looks like flop. Previous one had 30k first weeks only on Vita this one seems to be way below.

 

[daxgame]

Sigh, now all that's left to provide some balance and perspective in these threads is shinra-bansho. Hope that wasn't a perma for Pie and Beans, I really enjoy his scathing commentary in these threads, he just went a bit overboard this time around.

LOL

anyway, I'm expecting around 160k for Mario, I thought it was going to do way worse for a moment...
I'm not that confident about Taiko's legs this time. I think it will have legs but with small numbers (like selling 1k each week for a long time)

 

[extralite]

MH Freedom has more potential than DQ rerelease or any other Wii U 3rd party title currently annouced except Taiko.

I'd say it has similar potential but I mostly agree with this.

 

[orioto]

Wow at Mario 3d world. At what point can we say if this is a WiiU problem only, or that this Mario doesn't actually please japan players ? It's 3d i know but even mario 3d land was a way bigger sucess if i remember well. And even for the wiiu park, it's a low number for a Mario..

So.. They don't like cats ?

 

[DrWong]

Wow at Mario 3d world. At what point can we say if this is a WiiU problem only, or that this Mario doesn't actually please japan players ? It's 3d i know but even mario 3d land was a way bigger sucess if i remember well. And even for the wiiu park, it's a low number for a Mario..

So.. They don't like cats ?

Well, when we'll know its sales...

 

[Sandfox]

Wow at Mario 3d world. At what point can we say if this is a WiiU problem only, or that this Mario doesn't actually please japan players ? It's 3d i know but even mario 3d land was a way bigger sucess if i remember well. And even for the wiiu park, it's a low number for a Mario..

So.. They don't like cats ?

If it sells bad than its more than likely due to the system rather than the IP.

 

[orioto]

If it sells bad than its more than likely due to the system rather than the IP.

Well not the ip justly, but rather this iteration.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Wow at Mario 3d world. At what point can we say if this is a WiiU problem only, or that this Mario doesn't actually please japan players ? It's 3d i know but even mario 3d land was a way bigger sucess if i remember well. And even for the wiiu park, it's a low number for a Mario..

So.. They don't like cats ?

The issue here, when/if it sells below every other 3D Mario, is clearly the Wii U system itself. No way around that.

But I'm looking forward to march/april-numbers, to see if an even deeper or at least connected issue here could be "home consoles in Japan" though. 3DS has already sold 4 million more than LTD PS3. Xbox 360 found no market at all here. Mobile games market is on a killer spree.

Sony clearly recognizes the troubled waters since they don't bother launching before February.

 

[hiska-kun]

MH Freedom has more potential than DQ rerelease or any other Wii U 3rd party title currently annouced except Taiko.
.

I guess you mean Frontier, and isn't frontier another rerelease as well? Before on 360, PS3 (and PC??).

Anyway, we'll see this wednesday the PS3 sales, and I don't expect them to be too high. Then, just do 1/4 of that numbers and you will get Wii U number sales.

---

Azalyn talks about low pre-orders in his blog: Gran Turismo 6 is 1/4 compared to the last entry, Project Mirai 2 has 30% less pre-orders than the last entry, and Assassin's Creed 4 less than the half compared to the last entry.

 

[The perfect Dark]

According to Dengeki, the rest of 2013 looks like this for Wii U:

December 12th:
NOTHING

December 19th:
NOTHING

December 26th:
NOTHING

Ummm.....why? I don't get it, Nintendo.
I don't get it.

 

[Captain Smoker]

When's the next notable WiiU release in Japan after this? Mario & Sonic?

11/28	Japan	Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
		Disney Infinity (Starter Pack)

12/05	Japan	Batman: Arkham Begins
		Dragon Quest X: Nemureru Yuusha to Michibiki no Meiyuu Online
		Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games

12/11	Japan	Monster Hunter Frontier G (Beginner's Package)

02/01	Japan	Wii Fit U (Balance Board and Fit Meter Set)

02/06	Japan	Puyo Puyo Tetris

 

[Kid Ying]

Yeah I figured Taiko was way too low even for a game with legs. It might squeeze out over 50k after the holidays...maybe. 3D World may break 150k at least, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Kind of a terrible looking situation, but the holidays are coming.

Ah, cmon. Even sellinhlg bad out of the gate its impossible it doesnt sell more than 50k. I still think more than 200k is possible, but it will depend a lot. But more than 100k is totally doable.

Namco shouldve released a cross gen game.

 

[crinale]

WiiU this winter is like Vita at winter 2012

Nintendo is obviously thinking that 3D World should be enough to carry them through the holidays...

And to be fair a big and well received title like that is more than the Vita had in the winter of 2012

Yeah I have to agree that WiiU carrying Mario alone makes WiiU look better than how Vita was back then.
Actually, overall release schedule for Japanese market look meh to me, at least for a few upcoming month.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Dat Vita bump....

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Nintendo is obviously thinking that 3D World should be enough to carry them through the holidays...

And to be fair a big and well received title like that is more than the Vita had in the winter of 2012

 

[Sammy Samusu]

MH Freedom has more potential than DQ rerelease or any other Wii U 3rd party title currently annouced except Taiko.

I don't know about that, I can actually see DQX Wii U (and Wii!) selling really well.

It's doing pretty good on Amazon and Comgnet.

 

[spatenfloot]

Atlus is just following their established patterns. "Kiddy" spin-off of their main franchise for a Nintendo handheld system (like Last Bible and Devil Children on GB), big new Persona title on a console that just turned last gen and [well founded speculation]port of P5 with added content later on Vita[/speculation], because large numbers of Atlus fans buy their games twice (or thrice).

Those people are amateurs. I bought P4 four times.

 

[BadWolf]

Wow at Mario 3d world. At what point can we say if this is a WiiU problem only, or that this Mario doesn't actually please japan players ? It's 3d i know but even mario 3d land was a way bigger sucess if i remember well. And even for the wiiu park, it's a low number for a Mario..

So.. They don't like cats ?

I'm just curious as to how much longer they can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people get tired of them.

 

[Kid Ying]

Ummm.....why? I don't get it, Nintendo.
I don't get it.

Well, their december game is Mario and Sonic which is releasing early to get more holiday time. I don't think it's bad schedule for the holidays on paper, but we need to see how it will ends out. Having Taiko, Mario and Mario and sonic is already crowded (if they sell well, of course).

Also, i was thinking about Taiko performance and it's horrible till now (could be even worse at wednesday) and i think that is clear that the audience for it is not yet on the wiiu, or at least a big portion, but maybe the the few audience the wiiu gets is not prepared for two big games on the same day?

The last Taiko released on a moribund wii with almost no games released the whole year and had the best opening for the series on the system, so maybe Taiko can benefit from a sparse schedule or at least not releasing on the same day as the biggest game on the system the whole year.

It's all excuses, of course. I'm just thinking if some people that could've buy taiko bought Mario instead. The game is not going to stop selling till the next year of course, but maybe that helped a little bit having awful numbers on it's release.

 

[extralite]

Those people are amateurs. I bought P4 four times.

Are there four different versions of P4? I was thinking of P3 which had two versions on PS2 and one on PSP, each with more or less substantial extra content. Two versions seems to be the norm though for Atlus recently.

 

[ohlawd]

I'm just curious as to how much longer they can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people get tired of them.

you know, you'd have a point but unfortunately, 3D World is a great game.

 

[Frodo]

Prediction League December, 2013

Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Nov 25 to Dec 29):

[PSV] Hardware (35 days) - 210.012
[3DS] Hardware (35 days) - 1.313.131
[WIU] Hardware (35 days) - 252.525
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World (35 days) - 234.234
[3DS] Hatsune Miku Project Mirai 2 (32 days) - 135.531
[PS3] Gran Turismo 6 (25 days) - 256.256
[3DS] Inazuma Eleven Supernova / Big Bang (25 days) - 222.222
[3DS] Puzzle & Dragons Z (18 days) - 777.777
[PS3] Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD (4 days) - 212.121
[PSV] Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD (4 days) - 111.111
[3DS] Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (4 days) - 222.222

 

[Linkhero1]

I'm just curious as to how much longer they can continue to use the same IPs over and over until people get tired of them.

I'm even more curious as to how longer they will keep on chugging out platformers thinking they're going to save the console.

 

[squall23]

Also, i was thinking about Taiko performance and it's horrible till now (could be even worse at wednesday) and i think that is clear that the audience for it is not yet on the wiiu, or at least a big portion, but maybe the the few audience the wiiu gets is not prepared for two big games on the same day?

The last Taiko released on a moribund wii with almost no games released the whole year and had the best opening for the series on the system, so maybe Taiko can benefit from a sparse schedule or at least not releasing on the same day as the biggest game on the system the whole year.

None of that has anything to do with the previous Taiko Wii's success. It's literally the best console Taiko ever made, and that's not even up for debate. That's probably one of the reasons why Taiko U isn't doing as well, it's just not as good. Why bother buying another one so soon when the previous one has so many more songs?

Honestly, anybody that has a Wii U but (for some reason) doesn't have a Wii and actually wants to play Taiko on it will and should buy the previous Wii version.

 

[saichi]

MH Freedom has more potential than DQ rerelease or any other Wii U 3rd party title currently annouced except Taiko.

I want what you are smoking

 

[Takao]

Atlus is just following their established patterns. "Kiddy" spin-off of their main franchise for a Nintendo handheld system (like Last Bible and Devil Children on GB), big new Persona title on a console that just turned last gen and [well founded speculation]port of P5 with added content later on Vita[/speculation], because large numbers of Atlus fans buy their games twice (or thrice).

Other genre games (fighting, adventure) of the same franchise/team on platforms they will bring main games to later is relatively new but that music game for Vita can only mean good things in the future. Maybe P6 when PS3 is dead but PS4 is still too small?

Basically, what I'm asking is where are the Persona 3: Definitive Sapphire, and Arena ports?

Oh, and Vita will never be the lead platform for a mainline Persona. The games do too well in the west for that to happen.

 

[Kandinsky]

When's the next notable WiiU release in Japan after this? Mario & Sonic?

Dragon Quest XI, Sept 2014.

But seriously at this point, I'd say Mario Kart, DK will do absolutely nothing in Feb and Smash (the real system seller) will be next years holiday title. The thing is doomed.

Spoiler

and so is Iwata.

 

[Tripon]

Dragon Quest XI, Sept 2014.

But seriously at this point, I'd say Mario Kart, DK will do absolutely nothing in Feb and Smash (the real system seller) will be next years holiday title. The thing is doomed.

Spoiler

and so is Iwata.

Jeez, a tradtional DQ game would do wonders for the Wii U. I'd say Nintendo should guarantee sales, if SE would make DQ 11 for the Wii U, like 2 million and just bet on it.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Those people are amateurs. I bought P4 four times.

Bought P3
Bought P3FES
Bought P3P
Bought P3 FES on PSN for PS3

Will buy it again lol

Spoiler

help me

Jeez, a tradtional DQ game would do wonders for the Wii U. I'd say Nintendo should guarantee sales, if SE would make DQ 11 for the Wii U, like 2 million and just bet on it.

DQ 11 on Wiiu looool I'm dying . Maybe if SE wants to kill DQ11's sales they could do that.

 

[Kid Ying]

None of that has anything to do with the previous Taiko Wii's success. It's literally the best console Taiko ever made, and that's not even up for debate. That's probably one of the reasons why Taiko U isn't doing as well, it's just not as good. Why bother buying another one so soon when the previous one has so many more songs?

Honestly, anybody that has a Wii U but (for some reason) doesn't have a Wii and actually wants to play Taiko on it will and should buy the previous Wii version.

Well, they would buy for the same reason they bought a new taiko every year. Its not like choukogaban was a rare release. Ketteiban already had a huge number of songs afterall.

I played every wii version to death and im playing the wiiu version now. It really doesnt have as many songs, but that doesnt mean its not good. The graphics are for the first time 3d, theres new and ibteresting modes for two players and the addition of dlc, even being something a lot of people hates it, i find it very useful to wider the numver of sobgs in the end. They even had 6 songs for free at the release of the game and pass the baton mode is a much welcome and fun addition.

Its a damn good game. Not as good as the previous one, but for the first instalment, its better than the wii one.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Howcome we don't get day 1 figures no more?

Eager to see how much LR tanked.

 

[MechaX]

Howcome we don't get day 1 figures no more?

Eager to see how much LR tanked.

We at least got Day 1 figures for games that did really well (like MH4 and X/Y), not so much for games that did okay or not good.

With that said, I'm slightly curious on why no concrete LR numbers have come up even several days after its release, but eh, we'll see in the next MC charts.

 

[mrjohill]

• Game Disk
• Game Guide
• 60 Days game-time voucher
• 16 different in-game benefits

When does the vita version of that come out? I know it's next year but do they have an official date?

 

[Aquamarine]

When does the vita version of that come out? I know it's next year but do they have an official date?

To the best of my knowledge, the release date is still unannounced for any date other than "2014."

 

[extralite]

Basically, what I'm asking is where are the Persona 3: Definitive Sapphire, and Arena ports?

They decided to make a new Arena game, surely you agree that has better prospective sales than a port. And as I pointed out, Atlus' strategy is opposed to Sony's cross platform one so they wouldn't release Arena 2 for two Sony platforms simultaneously either.

Another P3 game would be wearing the title thin, much better way to use resources. Which is why we got PQ. Again, new game better than old game.

Oh, and Vita will never be the lead platform for a mainline Persona. The games do too well in the west for that to happen.

By the time a potential Vita P6 would hit the platform should be dirt cheap. TV even more so. I guess you're right if we consider the situation currently (how bad were P4G sales exactly compared to earlier Persona games in the West?) but who knows how it'll be then.

Well, they would buy for the same reason they bought a new taiko every year.

That's exactly it. Even if there are parents reluctant to buy a Wii U for this game ultimately games like this one are a reason to upgrade.

And I don't think Namco minds if they can sell some more copies of last year's Wii game either, if Taiko U doesn't totally crater there should be another iteration next year. Which will do probably even better because parents are running out of games to buy for the old Wii.

It's also a game kids can spent their toshidama on in case their parents buy the NSMBU/Wii Party U bundle.

As long as Nintendo doesn't lose too much per console, they could be content with making most of their sales during holidays and slowly growing their digital business.

I also think they want (3)DS buyers to upgrade to Wii U. Shin E-Gokoro Kyoushitsu and other painting related apps are one such an example as they're mainly on the U now and it's a good fit.

3DS is getting the focus now in terms of software releases but examples like 3D World on U rather than 3DS means that at some point, if you want more of the franchises you enjoyed on 3DS, you have to get a U to buy the next iteration.

3DS will be probably left to third parties at some point as many of the games released now have the potential to be evergreen titles. They need to make the 3DS as successful and thus attractive for 3rd parties as they can so it can sustain momentum without too many new Nintendo titles.

 

[Takao]

Monster Hunter Frontier G has surpassed 200,000 hunters on PS3. It may or may not be counting beta users. Google is confusing. http://www.famitsu.com/news/201311/26043790.html

They decided to make a new Arena game, surely you agree that has better prospective sales than a port. And as I pointed out, Atlus' strategy is opposed to Sony's cross platform one so they wouldn't release Arena 2 for two Sony platforms simultaneously either.

Another P3 game would be wearing the title thin, much better way to use resources. Which is why we got PQ. Again, new game better than old game.

It's naive to think that Persona 3 won't be receiving another re-release. There's a series of theatrical anime films coming out, and I doubt Atlus won't jump on that publicity. It's especially obvious as there is no definitive version of Persona 3. While I do agree that another release of that game is a bit much, the fanbase would probably eat it up. The team doing that likely wouldn't step on original productions like Persona Q as that seems like it's a rebranded Etrian Odyssey game.

As for P4 Arena, I don't think a standalone Vita port would do well as I'm not sure Atlus can get Persona fans to buy a fighting game for the third time.

By the time a potential Vita P6 would hit the platform should be dirt cheap. TV even more so. I guess you're right if we consider the situation currently (how bad were P4G sales exactly compared to earlier Persona games in the West?) but who knows how it'll be then.

I'm not from the future so I can only comment on the present. The present has one of SCE's division in a contest with SEGA of America circa 1996 to see who couldn't care less about one of their platforms. I can't see any Japanese publisher investing in exclusive Vita software that has any sort of major appeal in the west with that. Especially one like Atlus, who has never really invested in big software for Sony's handhelds.

 

[michaelius]

That's exactly it. Even if there are parents reluctant to buy a Wii U for this game ultimately games like this one are a reason to upgrade.

And I don't think Namco minds if they can sell some more copies of last year's Wii game either, if Taiko U doesn't totally crater there should be another iteration next year. Which will do probably even better because parents are running out of games to buy for the old Wii.

It really isn't question if Namco is going to release another Taiko game or not. It's obvious they will do it.
Question is if it'll still be on Wii U if this version craters.

 

[duckroll]

Monster Hunter Frontier G has surpassed 200,000 hunters on PS3. It may or may not be counting beta users. Google is confusing. http://www.famitsu.com/news/201311/26043790.html

Erm, how can it not count beta users when it's only in open beta now? The official launch is tomorrow. It doesn't matter anyway, since the open beta accounts should carry over, and download/registration is free.

 

[extralite]

It's naive to think that Persona 3 won't be receiving another re-release. There's a series of theatrical anime films coming out, and I doubt Atlus won't jump on that publicity. It's especially obvious as there is no definitive version of Persona 3. While I do agree that another release of that game is a bit much, the fanbase would probably eat it up. The team doing that likely wouldn't step on original productions like Persona Q as that seems like it's a rebranded Etrian Odyssey game.

Well they didn't announce it now. So there are no immediate plans. And the team doing it would likely be one that did a main Persona game, like the one busy with P5 for example.

As for P4 Arena, I don't think a standalone Vita port would do well as I'm not sure Atlus can get Persona fans to buy a fighting game for the third time.

It would be the second time. The fighting game takes the sequels route rather than subtitle rerelease/add-on disc one.

Anyway they didn't announce it, even though you expected/wanted them too. It just isn't part of their current strategy.

I'm not from the future so I can only comment on the present. The present has one of SCE's division in a contest with SEGA of America circa 1996 to see who couldn't care less about one of their platforms. I can't see any Japanese publisher investing in exclusive Vita software that has any sort of major appeal in the west with that. Especially one like Atlus, who has never really invested in big software for Sony's handhelds.

It wasn't a strong proposal from my side anyway though I'm pretty sure Vita will get more games by Atlus. Even if portable versions of P5 and onwards would be the best the Vita gets, they would still be the definitive (or let's say last) versions. The PSP and Vita got those so far, haven't they?

But to repeat my question, how did P4G do in the West?

It really isn't question if Namco is going to release another Taiko game or not. It's obvious they will do it.
Question is if it'll still be on Wii U if this version craters.

Yeah but where would they put it? PS4 has little to grab the family/casual/light user crowd.

3DS isn't that well suited for this kind of multiplayer games. The one you like to enjoy in the living room with family or friends and with instrument controllers.

Not that I expect Taiko U to crater anyway. It will do its part in improving Wii U's position.

 

[Kouriozan]

That post launch drought might have killed Wii U momentum (and fate) for good, because it actually sold decently at first.
I know Iwata will say "we learned what went wrong with 3DS/Wii U launch" but it'll be the same situation again next gen.

Spoiler

and he already said about how they learned from the 3DS launch for the Wii U, we all saw how this turned out.

Seems like Nintendo sealed Wii U's fate, the good thing is that its situation can only improve over time. Hopefully Nintendo will learn, one day.
I'll hate to see an highly praised game doing awful numbers.
The "january megatons" direct better be good!

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Monster Hunter Frontier G has been in open beta for Sony’s console and Capcom boasts that the game has over 200,000 registered hunters.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/2...tier-g-recruits-200000-hunters-playstation-3/

Slay.

 

[duckroll]

I guess Sammy has me and Takao on ignore.

 

[Kid Ying]

It really isn't question if Namco is going to release another Taiko game or not. It's obvious they will do it.
Question is if it'll still be on Wii U if this version craters.

As much you want it to, i don't see it happenning right now. Unless it really craters. If it doesn't sell to their expectations, they will probably try again, banking that Nintendo will gather more people by the next year, thanks to stuff like Kart and Smash.

If they have two bombs in a row, i think they will rethink their position. But right now, it's not that black and white. Taiko goes well with the audience Nintendo (tries to) cathers to, where Sony doesn't for a long while. Unless PS4 turns to be an PS2 phenomenon, which is hard since we are living in a world where japan is dominated by mobile, Taiko still is better served at a Nintendo system, just because it's the system families usually buy to play games together.

I think were certainly going to see a Taiko 2. A Taiko 3 will depend on sales.