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[DJ12]

The disc PS5 supposedly makes a profit whilst the Digital break even.

I call this rumour as BS on both parts but mostly on the PS5 one.

But the consoles need to have a price cut. The PS5 is almost 500 quids in UK, 550 euros in Europe. $500 in US and 800 doliroos in Australia.

I can fully believe MS have stopped production of the series x, I bet they will start producing the discless version no one wants when stock levels have dropped sufficiently.

Cannot imagine MS want to subsidise the console for its entire life cycle.

 

[Astray]

I can fully believe MS have stopped production of the series x, I bet they will start producing the discless version no one wants when stock levels have dropped sufficiently.

That would be a different thing, it's called a production line changeover, what we're seeing cited here is a complete halt, meaning nothing gets produced whatsoever. Reminder that this includes the Series S as well, which already got a 1TB SKU added last year.

I think this report is accurate for both parties, as it's corroborated by AMD saying they expect a double-digit decline in console sales, which makes sense because they are the supplier for both.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Price drops needed. You can still buy he standard old design PS5 in the UK, thats after them tanking the price for months as well. They had record sales, but there is obviously shit loads of inventory out there. I feel Sony were really pushing for that 25 mill, which I don't blame them for but theres probably too much stock still in the channel that they need to clear through.

Xbox is just fucked.

 

[Topher]

If Xbox stops manufacturing:

If Sony stops:

Uh.....this doesn't reflect what the article says or the responses to it.

Now everyone’s trying to dig up any news they hear about MS for clicks.

...Sony to halve production after lower-than-expected sales during Christmas​

 

[Gojiira]

This isn't particularly good news for PS5 as well dude, lmao.

A console that was selling record numbers? Pinch of salt my friend, remember PS5 has the newer slim model, they likely want the excess stock of the original model to fully sell

 

[reinking]

PS5 had its best month ever in November. Or am I remembering it wrong? Over 50 millions sold so far? What gives? Did they over produce? Trying to burn through the fat model inventory?

 

[Evil Calvin]

That's what happens when no 1st big party games are released.

 

[BlackTron]

If it's true, half a million is a lot more than zero. And it could even be the end of current model Xbox production altogether. By the time they have to finalize plans for q2, Phil could change his mind 17 times, or Satya exactly once.

 

[apple_of_enlightenment]

Looks like some big decisions have been made at MS. The trouble with stopping production is the cost in tens of millions just to start up again before even 1 more unit is produced.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Looks like some big decisions have been made at MS. The trouble with stopping production is the cost in tens of millions just to start up again before even 1 more unit is produced.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Is this a good source? Seems a bit far fetched

 

[chromatic9]

Would be good to see some price drops. Usually the price lowers over time and the more casual people can get one.

For me a PS5 would be a GT7 box but just not arsed spending that amount, more so after how long they've been out and Pro around the corner. Same with graphics cards, still on the GTX 1080.

 

[AJUMP23]

This is just pull the dumbest rumor out of my butt day.

 

[apple_of_enlightenment]

wat

Factories don't just sit there empty waiting for MS to give order on the next production run. The factory and staff will be utilised for other products. For a second xbox run, factory staff will have to be retrained, machines and floor has to be re-tooled. Bill of materials reworked, etc. Factory time has to be rescheduled and new contracts set up. That's why it's a major decision to halt.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Factories don't just sit there empty waiting for MS to give order on the next production run. The factory and staff will be utilised for other products. For a second xbox run, factory staff will have to be retrained, machines and floor has to be re-tooled. Bill of materials reworked, etc. Factory time has to be rescheduled and new contracts set up. That's why it's a major decision to halt.

You did pull "Tens of Millions!!" out your ass though

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Meanwhile....at Nintendo....

 

[Fake]

Is the PS5 DE that is not making much sales, correct?

If Sony is starting to stop the production of the Digital Edition would be more believable because the DE sales are low in comparison with the regular PS5.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I might be stupid, but is anyone also thinking this really spiralled out of control in the past 12 months and feeling like Microsoft is going 0 to 100 in even shorter period of time?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Uh.....this doesn't reflect what the article says or the responses to it.

...Sony to halve production after lower-than-expected sales during Christmas​

Whole info reads like BS tbh

 

[SportsFan581]

If there is any legitimacy to this, it begs the question: Exactly how many units did they expect to sell over the holiday? Keep in mind that both set sales records for the platforms in the month.

They both just threw darts at a board and decided that 2023 was going to be the best holiday ever.

 

[ADiTAR]

Meanwhile Nintendo is upping their projections by 0.5m.

 

[Topher]

Whole info reads like BS tbh

Agree. Some here just need to turn anything/everything into a "GAF is biased against Xbox" take even when the title clearly highlights both Sony and Microsoft.

 

[TheRedRiders]

It was written by 吳筱雯.

That clears it up.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Now everyone’s trying to dig up any news they hear about MS for clicks.

First day on Gaf?

 

[Spyxos]

This is not good news, no matter how you look at it.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

That's what happens when no 1st big party games are released.

I know. Starfield and Spider-Man 2 should have released!

 

[CherryFalls]

Article has leaked:

 

[midnightAI]

Agree. Some here just need to turn anything/everything into a "GAF is biased against Xbox" take even when the title clearly highlights both Sony and Microsoft.

While this whole thing is BS in my opinion, for all we know Sony may have doubled production for the Christmas period and then halved it to go back to normal (if its true...... which it isnt..... probably)

 

[spons]

First day on Gaf?

At least this is hilarious. When the Steam Deck got announced, there were multiple pages of Deck threads adding jack shit to the overall discussion.

 

[midnightAI]

Article has leaked:

Good news about the Moose population

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Article has leaked:

 

[Astray]

They both just threw darts at a board and decided that 2023 was going to be the best holiday ever.

First rule of forecasting is that your forecast is always wrong even when it's "right".

No one ever gets it right, especially when it gets more granular.

 

[cash_longfellow]

At least this is hilarious. When the Steam Deck got announced, there were multiple pages of Deck threads adding jack shit to the overall discussion.

I agree, I’m having a great time in these threads this week lol

 

[DrFigs]

Seems unlikely xbox would discontinue the xbox now. I think it may even be more likely that PS5 really did decrease production, and idk by half sees believable enough. Do console sales typically go up from Q4 to Q1?

 

[dragonyeuw]

That makes sense to me as far as MS goes.

- Ramped up console production for Starfield, and that product didn't move systems to the expected degree
- Deep discounted Series X during the holiday season down to $349 to clear out excess stock
- Very obviously the leaked Series X 'digital' replacing the current model is on the foreseeable horizon

Where Sony is concerned, I'm wondering if the number of people willing to pay $450-$500 for a console is beginning to thin out. 3 years into last gen, the PS4 had undergone a revision and drop to $299, and the $399 price was subsequently occupied by the Pro. I'm not sure if this time around they're going to do something similar or introduce the Pro at like $599 and maintain current pricing for the existing models.

 

[mckmas8808]

This isn't particularly good news for PS5 as well dude, lmao.

This is neutral news for Sony. Mainly because we actually know what they have been selling for all of 2023. It means instead of selling 25 million PS5s, maybe they'll sell 23.x million. WHOA! Biiiiiiiiig deal. They only broke their all-time record by only a few hundred thousand, instead of millions.

Plus.......had the PS5 slim launched at the "expected" price that "we" thought, it would have easily sold that 25 million. I'm wondering a year ago, did Sony know they were going to raise the price of the PS5 DE the whole time? Or were they pushed into that direction by greed or inflation?

 

[FStubbs]

Meanwhile....at Nintendo....

Nintendo is nervous as can be about moving to the Switch's successor. They have no "third pillar" or whatever terminology they used before. These market trends aren't good for them either.

 

[DrFigs]

the prices on these consoles are insane. the xbox one and ps4 both had permanent price decreases 2 years in iirc. we're heading into the 4th year of the consoles being 500 dollars. And the MSRP of the digital ps5 is actually 50 dollars more expensive than it was in 2020.

 

[mckmas8808]

The price of these machines have to drop but that can only happen if component pricing drops. If game consoles which are traditionally recession proof items are stopping/reducing production, then other industries are screwed big time. It's year 3 for these consoles, price should drop to $399

They are in their 4th year.

 

[magnumpy]

is this a symptom of a bad global economy? PS5 production cut in half and Xbox stopped entirely

what's Nintendo doing with Switch production? no change, or some cuts, or what?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

This is neutral news for Sony. Mainly because we actually know what they have been selling for all of 2023. It means instead of selling 25 million PS5s, maybe they'll sell 23.x million. WHOA! Biiiiiiiiig deal. They only broke their all-time record by only a few hundred thousand, instead of millions.

Plus.......had the PS5 slim launched at the "expected" price that "we" thought, it would have easily sold that 25 million. I'm wondering a year ago, did Sony know they were going to raise the price of the PS5 DE the whole time? Or were they pushed into that direction by greed or inflation?

Really. Not sure why the spin towards Sony like they're in bad shape. A price cut is likely all the Ibuprofen they need. Perhaps another banger like FFVII and Spider-Man 2 as well.

Xbox? Yikes. If that is the case, it is clear that a major shakeup is needed.

 

[Dorfdad]

Duh it’s obvious they have halted the Xbox series x production to make room for the shadow drop Xbox series x pro next week!

ITS happening.gif would be inserted here if I knew how to!

/s

 

[Elysium44]

the prices on these consoles are insane. the xbox one and ps4 both had permanent price decreases 2 years in iirc. we're heading into the 4th year of the consoles being 500 dollars. And the MSRP of the digital ps5 is actually 50 dollars more expensive than it was in 2020.

The prices are reasonable as far as I'm concerned. We've had inflation since 2016. The slim PS4 released at $299 which is $380 in today's dollars. It had a 512GB 5400rpm hard drive. The PS5 slim has a 1TB SSD, not to mention a much more powerful CPU and GPU. It is very cheap for what it is.

 

[JayK47]

As some have pointed out, a price cut is needed. It used to be done in the past, but now they maintain these high prices. I purchased most of my consoles after price cut. It is the only way I will consider a PS5 at this point as their first party games have taken a dive since PS4.

 

[TheShocker]

Probably for revision or pro models for both companies.

 

[Mr Moose]

Didn't PS5 have great holiday numbers?
I know Xbox is expecting a drop of 40% YoY but stopping fully for the Q? Hmm... Doubt.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This isn't particularly good news for PS5 as well dude, lmao.

True but PS5 is switching to the new slim model so that also has a knock-on effect too.

 

[Gudji]

Verizon gave me a series X for free, I believe it.

Sell it before next week starts.

 

[dragonyeuw]

The prices are reasonable as far as I'm concerned. We've had inflation since 2016. The slim PS4 released at $299 which is $380 in today's dollars. It had a 512GB 5400rpm hard drive. The PS5 slim has a 1TB SSD, not to mention a much more powerful CPU and GPU. It is very cheap for what it is.

Taken from the lens of inflation, I guess economies of scale haven't balanced that out 3+ years in. Irrespective of that, eventually you're going to price out a large number of people who typically buy-in at lower price points. I'm betting the majority of PS4s sold at $299, not $399 ( just a guess of course). Of course, the economy is different post 2020 but it is what it is. It feels like $100 leaves my wallet every-time I leave my house nowadays.

 

[ShirAhava]

Demand just isn't there across the board hence cutbacks

I remember that article about how kids want digital currency rather than consoles these days

XBOX flopping is ahead of the curve in a way I don't see much a future for the home console model in general the service/sub model is the future for everyone and everything

Consoles will still be around...they just wont be a factor everything is going to keep getting scaled down your watch, samsung fridge will have a PS6 app, xbox app ect.