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NBC Cancels Hannibal after 3 Seasons. Show will now be shopped around at other venues

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Busty

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I feel like NBC have been very fair to this show given how 'explicit' it is. For a broadcast network giving a show like this, any show really, three full seasons is a serious sign of commitment on their behalf.

In saying that I doubt this show will die on the vine. I'd be surprised if Amazon or even Hulu doesn't pick this up for a fourth season.
 

Wiktor

Member
On some other forum I've read a great comment. That all of this is just a conspiracy for Lifetime channel to finally get their Clarice show up and running..with Fuller as a showrunner and Mads as Hannibal :D
 
So are there any petitions or anything? Seems like the shows with angry fans get a chance of renewal (like The Killing and Longmire). Hannibal fans seem to be saying "it was a good run."
I think it's just that Hannibal fans are relatively confident that it's going to get picked up elsewhere, given the unique nature of its production and financing.
 
Not that I pretend to be well versed in their dealings but while this sucks it wasn't a big loss for NBC since the show did well internationally (I think?). But yeah, on that "Netflix/Amazon pls" bandwagon.
 

Pachimari

Member
I thought Hannibal were one of the most popular shows right now. Weird to see if cancelled. It is the one with Mads Mikkelsen in the lead, right?
 
The state of NBC must be really bad if they can't even get people to watch one of the best shows on TV. The fact that they're shopping it around leads me to believe that they already know that the shows quality is too good for them.

I can't agree at all that it reflects negatively on the state of NBC to market the show. At its core, the show is fundamentally unmarketable to the mass audience, it's a show which is impenetrable if it has not been viewed from the beginning, and it is layered in off-putting elements that serve as a barrier to individuals even beginning to watch the show, let alone sticking with it.

First, it encounters the issue of it being seen as a cheap cash-in upon the title character. Where once an association with Hannibal Lecter would have been seen as something easily marketable, particularly in the wake of "Silence of the Lambs", after "Red Dragon", and more so "Hannibal" and "Hannibal Rising", this association may seen to be toxic. The character began to lose its allure as it became campier, lost the endearing qualities it once possessed, and gradually turned into a poorly written parody of what it once was, all the while finding it in material of a progressively lower quality. While shows based on existing properties have found success recently (Fargo, and the Marvel comic book shows really), at the time of the first season's airing who could be blamed for being apprehensive that this was yet another cash-in on an existing property which had become increasingly campy and milked? This declining quality was not, remotely, assisted by the increasingly macabre visuals which served little purpose other than to push shock value into new realms and dilute the once thrilling story into an exercise in presenting the viewers with substance-less images of great cruelty, substituting genuinely strong story-telling for shallow shocks. Second, it faced another problem; the lack of Anthony Hopkins playing Hannibal Lecter. To so many, Hopkins' performance was an absolutely character-defining performance in "Silence of the Lambs" and was seen, definitively, as Hannibal Lecter. Having seen his performance, it is nearly impossible to envisage any other in the role as he injected him with an incredibly sinister and endearing performance which elevated the writing. Not having Anthony Hopkins not only enhances the perception that it's a cheap cash-in ("they couldn't even get the Hannibal Lecter to play the character?"), but serves as a barrier as people may perceive it to be unwatchable as there existing image of Hannibal Lecter is tied too closely to Hopkins' performance to be able to watch a Hopkins-less Lecter. Third, the concept of the show, revolving around great cruelty and a distressing concept is an immediate barrier of entry. Unlike CSI, Dexter, or Criminal Minds, there is no promise of seeing the great evil be brought to justice, nor is there any readily apparent ambiguity nor redemptive arc to be seen here. The distressing imagery that's marketed, while beautiful and definitely one of the show's strongest aspects, not only plays back into the narrative of the "Hannibal" license being increasingly diluted and reliant on little but shockingly graphic images, but does not make this a show which can be watched by much of the family. Hannibal has little readily apparent redeeming qualities, and the show does little to suggest a light at the end of the tunnel. That, too, is not helped by fact that Hannibal is a cannibal, which when combined with the lack of redeeming qualities, works against the show.

These turn out not to necessarily be particularly valid, but all of those serve as potential barriers of entry to somebody who has only heard of Hannibal in passing, or seen a small portion of the marketing, but even for somebody who knows a little more, and tries to get into the show, there are issues.

Fourth, the pacing of the show is without a doubt the largest barrier. For viewers who give the show a chance, it moves at a very, very deliberate pace. Viewers who are accustomed to something like Breaking Bad (which is kind of funny, as that, itself, was quite deliberate in pacing but had a tendency to ramp up at a roaring speed), CSI, Dexter, or a host of more popular shows, may be completely taken aback by the pacing of the show. The show moves at a deceptive pace, where much of the progress is portrayed through the development of a character, the progression of the imagery, or an internal shift rather than external and physical actions. Actions also take a considerable length of time for there to be any pay-off and may make the perceptive of the show's pace deceptive (Season 1 being seen as a procedural is the most blatant; despite many having seen the entire season they still see it as procedural despite it all building up and linking later). There are very few action sequences in the entire show, it is generally a psychological horror which is thrilling due to the character interactions rather than physical happenings. Fifth, which also ties in very much to the pace, is that the show is heavily told through visuals, and these become increasingly more abstract, symbolic, important (to the understanding of the characters, their motive, and the plot itself), and prominent as the show progresses further from the beginning. This style of narrative does not appeal to everyone, and can give off an air of pretentiousness (I would argue strongly that it's not pretentious as the style of narrative is absolutely back by a quality show full of substance, but not everybody may feel that way and some definitely believe it is just shallow and self-indulgent). As the narrative style is also very surreal, nightmarish, and strikingly alien from pretty much any other show that currently airs, it may be too great of a departure for people to stick with. Sixth, the writing of the show, in fitting with the narrative style where the show occupies a nightmarish version of reality full of abstract and symbolic imagery, is also filled with imagery and is not particularly direct. Motive and meaning must be intuited and requires engagement with the viewer. It's not natural, it's generally vague and otherworldly. How certain phrases appear relevant, how characters act and react, and the meaning behind what was said is not always clear, and a lot of times the concepts which are discussed are not entirely common knowledge (Will's Many-Worlds rationalisation in the second episode of season three, and the relevance it has to the ending of the episode a blatant example). This also enhances the feeling that things are going at a snail's pace, and as the writing becomes increasingly loftier the show is constantly challenging the viewers' expectations and tolerance to the style of the show. Seventh, the atmosphere, itself, is off-putting. The show constantly emanates dread, horror, and discomfort. The imagery is consistently nightmarish, the characters constantly face displays of great cruelty, the characters all becoming increasingly tortured, people encounter operatic levels of violence, and the viewer becomes more entrenched in blood as the show progresses. It is no surprise that, for some, even having started the show and watched for awhile, that they simply cannot watch in horror any more. Finally, the show is impenetrable if not watched from the beginning. The style of the show, the dialogue, the motivations of characters, the atmosphere, the meaning of much of the abstract symbolism, and the progression of the plot is not, in any way, suitable to a new viewer who begins at any point. To understand the show, remotely, you need to see from the very beginning, because any other way there is no real way you can pick up the show and have any level of understanding for what's happening, or tolerance/love of the show's stylistic choices. The only course for the show is that it sheds viewers from the beginning, as they gradually feel that no longer can deal with a certain aspect of the show. While people may suggest that it could pick up viewers who binge watch the show, this is problematic in many ways, because binge-watching the show is an entirely different experience to watching it on a weekly basis, and considerably alters the pace (this is no clearer in season one, when one's perception of Will's arc is completely different when watched over the course of many weeks) or one's appreciation of the pace (it may have seemed fast paced when binge watched, as Breaking Bad did when watched in rapid pace, but it is another matter entirely watched weekly).
EDIT: Also, advertisements really interrupt the flow of the show and the atmosphere it works hard in creating. I wouldn't be surprised if many people didn't watch the show live and watched it after having recorded it do that they could skip past the advertisements.

Now, could NBC's marketing have done a better job? Perhaps. This was never a show however which would have mass appeal, there are too many barriers to so many people, and it's told in such an alien way that even those who may typically enjoy shows produced at a high quality may be repelled from it (at the very least may be repelled from watching it on a week-by-week basis). Perhaps on HBO it could have survived off the niche appeal it has due to the stylistic choices that have been made, but there was no way that NBC could ever market the show in such a way that it would appeal to a mass audience in spite of its high quality; as soon as people turned on the show without having watched previous seasons they'd change the channel.

EDIT: In short, it's just a very hard sell, and a very tough show to convince people to stick with, particularly as it becomes increasingly abstract and symbolic.
 
This was to be expected, but it doesn't hurt any less. Hopefully another company can pick it up. I feel really bad for Bryan Fuller. This was my favourite show. :(
 
Wow.just realized I never watched an episode of it live on the air.

I'm part of the problem too. I've marathoned both seasons twice on Amazon, but I've been watching season 3 on NBC's website, so hopefully that counts for something.

As some people have stated, I'm not terribly worried that it'll be gone forever. I think the show's interesting enough to have fans who are in positions that enable them to make moves to save it, but I know nothing about the industry, so I could be totally off the mark, haha.
 
I thought Hannibal were one of the most popular shows right now. Weird to see if cancelled. It is the one with Mads Mikkelsen in the lead, right?

Don't confuse internet popularity with real popularity.

Hannibal is one of my favorite shows of all time, but almost no one was watching it.
 
I was waiting for it to end before seeing it.

39 episodes at 40 minutes is 1560 minutes. Outside of a few narratives and stories , i don't believe any author have compelling structures to make such big elaborate narratives span so much. Television should be a different medium to tell a story but not ad aeternum. Hopefully they spent their 26 hours (!) in a compelling way.
 
This is what they get for
killing off my Abigail

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Mumei

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It's probably worth noting that disappointment is not the only opinion available for season 3, and that the first three episodes that were sent out to critics were very well reviewed. I highly doubt that this was cancelled for quality reasons. Palatability for a wider audience, maybe - but in any case it is clear from the results that Fuller is doing exactly whatever he wants with this season, production issues or no.

Rapturously, as I recall.
 

EulaCapra

Member
Wow. Looking at Bryan Fuller's credits, I think Hannibal is his show that has gone the furthest in terms of number of episodes.

I'm still butthurt over Pushing Daisies so let's hope Hannibal gets a consolation Amazon save.
 
Why wouldn't it? He still would be heavily involved. There are many showrunners who balance two shows. And, again, they're not really co-showrunners. Green is the real showrunner because he's handling it "day-to-day". That's code for "actual, real showrunner".
Balance two shows well? Because I can't think of any. I can think of plenty showrunners who do a shitty job on two, instead of a good job of one, but not good on two. And no matter how you slice it, Hannibal wouldn't be getting the same focus on a season 4 from Fuller as previous seasons. No matter how small you argue he'll be contributing to American Gods, it'll still be more than nothing.

I'm sad, but I'll live with the 3 seasons we got.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Balance two shows well? Because I can't think of any. I can think of plenty showrunners who do a shitty job on two, instead of a good job of one, but not good on two. And no matter how you slice it, Hannibal wouldn't be getting the same focus on a season 4 from Fuller as previous seasons. No matter how small you argue he'll be contributing to American Gods, it'll still be more than nothing.

I'm sad, but I'll live with the 3 seasons we got.

I'm not arguing. He's not the day-to-day showrunner on American Gods. That's not up for discussion because it's not a discussion. It's akin to when any writer/producer has a pod where they still showrunner a series yet have level of investment in another. Did Vince Gilligan occasionally giving notes and coming in to the room to hear story on Battle Creek take away from Better Call Saul? No, not really.

That's why the existence of American Gods means absolutely nothing towards Hannibal. If this comes off as antagonistic, I'm sorry. I just understand this world and situation pretty well.
 

Plasmid

Member
I'm thinking it'll be picked up. The show is way ahead of stuff NBC shows now and someone has to see the value in it.
 
I'm not arguing. He's not the day-to-day showrunner on American Gods. That's not up for discussion because it's not a discussion.
I haven't said he is the day-to-day showrunner. What I said was "No matter how small you argue he'll be contributing to American Gods, it'll still be more than nothing." But I think anyone would have a hard time selling me on the fact he won't be contributing more than a little anywho.
 
I can't agree at all that it reflects negatively on the state of NBC to market the show. At its core, the show is fundamentally unmarketable to the mass audience, it's a show which is impenetrable if it has not been viewed from the beginning, and it is layered in off-putting elements that serve as a barrier to individuals even beginning to watch the show, let alone sticking with it. [...]

[excellent post]

Good read :) You hit on all the major points. Not being able to pick up new viewers further into the series is definitely frustrating, especially when I'm trying to convince a friend to watch and I have to preface it with "but you have to watch from the beginning, and it's kind of slow, and it's pretty artsy, and..." etc. where for a lot of shows I can just say "I'll show you my favorite/the best episode and you can see if you like it".
 

ivysaur12

Banned
I haven't said he is the day-to-day showrunner. What I said was "No matter how small you argue he'll be contributing to American Gods, it'll still be more than nothing." But I think anyone would have a hard time selling me on the fact he won't be contributing more than a little anywho.

Your original post:

Unfortunately, Fuller is signed on for American Gods with Neil Gaiman, so if this show somehow got picked up it would be damn hard for him to be involved. And Hannibal without Fuller---I don't want.

We've already come the conclusion that this isn't accurate, because Fuller isn't actually the showrunner on American Gods, in the same way he was not the showrunner on his Syfy pilot High Moon. The situation would be somewhat similar, but not entirely analogous, to someone like David Shore who has both Houdini & Doyle and (probably Sneaky Pete). He'd be involved day-to-day with Sneaky Pete, but also be involved in some capacity with Houdini & Doyle, though on a smaller scale.

You said that you can think of "plenty" of showrunners who try to run two shows in this type of situation and the quality suffers. Can you? I don't see The Get Down suffering because Shawn Ryan also has Mad Dogs. That doesn't mean that Sneaky Pete will inevitably suffer because Houdini & Doyle is a thing. It doesn't mean that Better Call Saul suffered because Vince Gilligan had some oversight on Battle Creek. I don't know in this hypothetical what Bryan Fuller's relationship would be with American Gods, just that he's in first position on Hannibal and if the show were to continue, would continue on as the showrunner.

How would he split his time? Would it affect him? Michael Green is already a showrunner himself who has had more than one of his own shows on the air already. Once the show is off the ground, he doesn't really need Fuller for the day-to-day aspects of the show. These are both short orders who's schedules could run at completely different times.
 

Vlad

Member
Good read :) You hit on all the major points. Not being able to pick up new viewers further into the series is definitely frustrating, especially when I'm trying to convince a friend to watch and I have to preface it with "but you have to watch from the beginning, and it's kind of slow, and it's pretty artsy, and..." etc. where for a lot of shows I can just say "I'll show you my favorite/the best episode and you can see if you like it".

I really don't think "having to start from the beginning" is the turn-off that it once was, considering that that could apply to pretty much any new drama these days.
 

Wiktor

Member
I haven't said he is the day-to-day showrunner. What I said was "No matter how small you argue he'll be contributing to American Gods, it'll still be more than nothing." But I think anyone would have a hard time selling me on the fact he won't be contributing more than a little anywho.

Plenty of people have no problem being showrunners for 23eps per season show. I don't see why a veteran like Fuller would have troubles doing justice to 13eps season just because he helps in some capacity in American Gods.

Heck, it might even improve Hannibal, as American Gods could help him recharge creative batteries after 3 years of working on one very darj show,
 

Salsa

Member
well I just watched the 3 eps of season 3 and wow this season is fucking terrible

fuller got stuck inside his own slow-mo artsy ass apparently. no character motivation makes any sense and its all like a crawl of "look at this shot damn we are good *10mins of actual plot*"

kinda saw this coming tbh. NBC gave it a lot of shots so I aint mad
 
I really don't think "having to start from the beginning" is the turn-off that it once was, considering that that could apply to pretty much any new drama these days.

Fair enough, but it depends on how available it is, the duration of each episode, and how long the series has been going on as well. Some people just don't have time (or don't want to make it) :\
 

Jex

Member
I think it speaks volumes about the current state of TV production that most fans of Hannibal just assume that a show with so much prestige will inevitably get rescued by a competing network. This is truly a golden age.
 
I really don't think "having to start from the beginning" is the turn-off that it once was, considering that that could apply to pretty much any new drama these days.

In itself, I agree, but the issue here is that not only does a viewer absolutely have to start from the beginning (no episodes really can stand alone that well) but it's when you have to start from the beginning, and there are a bunch of caveats at it. I think the poster you've quoted explained it very concisely. "I high advise you watch the show, but you need to be aware the show is slow pace, you also have to watch it from the beginning, it also follows a very unconventional narrative style, oh and you need to be aware it features extremely distressing graphic images, by the way you need to stick with it for the first few episodes because they might appear disconnected, also each of the seasons are a radical step-up in the style of the show in many ways, I forgot to mention it's abstract as well so you need to brace for that, etc.".

The concept of the show doesn't really provide the caveats unlike most shows (Breaking Bad's, The Sopranos, Dexter, etc. all are much clearer as to what you're getting into when somebody explains the concept of the show because they're told in a much more conventional, concrete manner); when all of these things start piling up, and when the show remains unflinchingly true to a vision with an inherently niche appeal due to the subject matter, needing to watch it from the beginning is an issue in making it retain a mass audience, because no viewer realistically that sees a random episode on TV and starts watching it is going to stick with it (not only may they come away with the impression that the show is pretentious not realising that the style builds up and layers from the beginning, but may be resilient to watch it in its entirety after; with most of the more conventional modern dramas that you mention while they may not understand entirely what's going on, at least the style is much more concrete and it's easier to put together with rare exceptions), and even those who binge watch it may end up stopping or find a jarring shift once they end up switching to a weekly viewing.

EDIT: I've split it into two paragraphs as per the below request, but it can't really become any more as it's only three sentences, with a lot of clauses admittedly, in total. I hope this is presented clearer.
 

Kuros

Member
In itself, I agree, but the issue here is that not only does a viewer absolutely have to start from the beginning (no episodes really can stand alone that well) but it's when you have to start from the beginning, and there are a bunch of caveats at it. I think the poster you've quoted explained it very concisely. "I high advise you watch the show, but you need to be aware the show is slow pace, you also have to watch it from the beginning, it also follows a very unconventional narrative style, oh and you need to be aware it features extremely distressing graphic images, by the way you need to stick with it for the first few episodes because they might appear disconnected, also each of the seasons are a radical step-up in the style of the show in many ways, I forgot to mention it's abstract as well so you need to brace for that, etc.". The concept of the show doesn't really provide the caveats unlike most shows (Breaking Bad's, The Sopranos, Dexter, etc. all are much clearer as to what you're getting into when somebody explains the concept of the show because they're told in a much more conventional, concrete manner); when all of these things start piling up, and when the show remains unflinchingly true to a vision with an inherently niche appeal due to the subject matter, needing to watch it from the beginning is an issue in making it retain a mass audience, because no viewer realistically that sees a random episode on TV and starts watching it is going to stick with it (not only may they come away with the impression that the show is pretentious not realising that the style builds up and layers from the beginning, but may be resilient to watch it in its entirety after; with most of the more conventional modern dramas that you mention while they may not understand entirely what's going on, at least the style is much more concrete and it's easier to put together with rare exceptions), and even those who binge watch it may end up stopping or find a jarring shift once they end up switching to a weekly viewing.

I agree with almost everything you say but please use more paragraphs.
 
The other thing is that Hannibal just doesn't have that Dexter angle. You root for Dexter. He kills people, but he is kinda of a good guy and his background is sad, and he just feels like a vigilante.


Hannibal though? Everything about it is evil, sadistic, manipulative, sick and twisted. There are no happy endings. There are no morality or ambiguity to carry into your normal life. This show is depraved and horrific. It's why it is so special. There is a level of somber catharsis to the violence which is why its so amazing you never see him kill. It's a staple of the show to see Hannibal cook.
In fact, its my hope that Hannibal will be on the next master chef. I shit you not, but Hannibal is shitting you. Hannibal is shitting people, literally.
 

Dr. Buni

Member
The other thing is that Hannibal just doesn't have that Dexter angle. You root for Dexter. He kills people, but he is kinda of a good guy and his background is sad, and he just feels like a vigilante.


Hannibal though? Everything about it is evil, sadistic, manipulative, sick and twisted. There are no happy endings. There are no morality or ambiguity to carry into your normal life. This show is depraved and horrific. It's why it is so special. There is a level of somber catharsis to the violence which is why its so amazing you never see him kill. It's a staple of the show to see Hannibal cook.
In fact, its my hope that Hannibal will be on the next master chef. I shit you not, but Hannibal is shitting you. Hannibal is shitting people, literally.
That is why Will Graham exists. You are supposed to root for him, not for Hannibal.

PS: Haven't watched episodes 2 and 3 from season 3 yet, so idk if
Will still is alive
 
I think whoever picks up the show, they should put down some serious money to get Silence of the Lambs rights. And use that as the big promotion.
 

bidguy

Banned
We have no idea if this is at all related to the cancellation.

thats not what i meant

you can only tell so much of hannibal and will until it gets boring and its definitely on the verge of becoming boring. i think after season 3 they could have wrapped up this will and hannibal plot and introduced starling
 

jonezer4

Member
Also, isn't it incredibly odd to announce the cancellation of a show while it's still airing? That's just, well, rude.

I thought it was downright polite.

They knew they couldn't do another season with ratings like this. They canceled it early, but nevertheless, are still airing 10 more episodes!

Fuller can (and will) get the show bought by another company (Amazon) before the last episode of this season even airs, giving him a huge head start.

It's a best case scenario as far as I'm concerned.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I thought it was downright polite.

They knew they couldn't do another season with ratings like this. They canceled it early, but nevertheless, are still airing 10 more episodes!

Fuller can (and will) get the show bought by another company (Amazon) before the last episode of this season even airs, giving him a huge head start.

It's a best case scenario as far as I'm concerned.

I guess..?

It's really killing my buzz to watch the rest of the episodes now that I know it's not building to a final conclusion.
 
Hannibal though? Everything about it is evil, sadistic, manipulative, sick and twisted. There are no happy endings. There are no morality or ambiguity to carry into your normal life. This show is depraved and horrific. It's why it is so special. There is a level of somber catharsis to the violence which is why its so amazing you never see him kill. It's a staple of the show to see Hannibal cook.
In fact, its my hope that Hannibal will be on the next master chef. I shit you not, but Hannibal is shitting you. Hannibal is shitting people, literally.

That's what I love about it! Too many shows make it CLEAR who the good guy is, but there really isn't a "good" or "bad" in this show. There are degrees, but there is never a solid black and white, and it's something that the characters AND the audience have to grapple with.

thats not what i meant

you can only tell so much of hannibal and will until it gets boring and its definitely on the verge of becoming boring. i think after season 3 they could have wrapped up this will and hannibal plot and introduced starling

Oh, I see. I agree--there's not much more to explore w/Will and Hannibal. They would need a big change-up for S4.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I have never watched this. Always wanted to, but I've always known that I'd be wasting my time. I love Bryan Fuller and everything he does. I loved Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls, and was so disappointed when Mockingbird Lane was passed on and turned into a stand-alone pilot. I love all he does. But I also know that his stuff always gets canned before its time. He left DLM after season 1 due to differences and it got cancelled after season 2's Halloween episode. (With a shitty DVD movie coming more than half a decade later) Wonderfalls was on Fox and was treated like a Fox show by Fox who doesn't know how to treat good shows so they Foxed up and Foxed the show. And Pushing Daisies was on ABC and still ended up getting terrible ratings (On ABC. Should have been on NBC since they were more well known back then. Heh. Who am I kidding. It was doomed from the start.) so it ended up getting a hastily thrown together series finale.

So when Hannibal was picked up, I was interested. But it was on NBC. And at this point I knew NBC was pretty much bad news. The Office was ending, Community was already on life support since NBC didn't know how to even handle one of their biggest hits, Parks and Rec was still going but I knew it wouldn't go forever. So I didn't want to invest in another TV show until I knew it was going to end on its own terms. Does NBC even have anything at all anymore?

So hopefully they figure out the rights issue and someone gives it a home. Maybe one day I'll check it out and finally understand all the references.

Also, I hope you just read this in Abed's voice.
 
There is no reason not to jump into Hannibal at this point. They've treated every season as its own story. Each finale works as its own series finale. And even though season 4 is very likely, season 3 should work the best so far as a series finale. It's not like Thomas Harris wrote Red Dragon as the beginning of a series. It's a self contained story. By the end of season 3 the show will have gone through 5 distinct arcs: Season 1, Season 2 Part 1, Season 2 Part 2, Season 3 Part 1, and Season 3 Part 2. There's a hell of a lot to enjoy about the show on these terms.

Jump in now, support the show. Support it where every its new home is.
 
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