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[BertramCooper]

I get it, this is a thread of fans. But you fans seem really confused why no one watched this show. I am telling you why I stopped watching.

You can not like my answer, or think I am wrong. I know I am wrong, because apparently it turns into something pretty great.

But the procedural feel of the show mixed with the boring main character is why i stopped watching.

I'm not confused at all, actually. I've been a fan of countless shows that have had piss-poor ratings. I'm very familiar with this song-and-dance by now.

Your overall point doesn't make sense to me. Police procedurals continue dominate lists of America's most watched TV dramas, yet you're telling me that the police procedural elements were the reason why no one watched Hannibal? You're projecting here.

I'd guess that it has a lot more to do with the Hannibal brand being very long in the tooth and not culturally relevant when the show started. And also the fact that we're talking about a shockingly graphic and disturbing show being aired on network TV.

 

[Mumei]

I didn't watch this show because the first few episodes were Criminal Minds esque trash.

Oh, a smart but socially awkward guy is able to think like killers? Never heard that before


I know I know I know before you scream at me Ive heard it gets better, even amazing. But it was never going to grow an audience with first episodes that are so generic

What? Generic? Criminal Minds esque? Do you actually watch Criminal Minds? Now, it's nothing to brag about but I've actually watched multiple seasons of Criminal Minds, and the shows are only similar at the most shallow level of interpretation: They both involve the FBI, murder, and at least one gifted profiler. But their execution couldn't be more different, and that's present from the very beginning, most especially in the way the show continually emphasizes the effects of violence, in its revisiting of Abigail, in its early serialization, and in its development of the relationships between its principals.

And as BertramCooper just replied to you, your argument makes no sense. If anything, the problem is not that Hannibal is too similar to what already exists, but that it does not pander - outside of those largely incidental procedural elements - to lowest common denominator viewers who actually want what something like Criminal Minds provides.

 

[VistraNorrez]

NBC should have just moved the show to Hulu (I know not the most popular service). I can't imagine it wouldn't turn a healthy profit there (especially if that licensing fee is true). It's not taking up a timeslot on their schedule, and they can still put ads on it.

 

[CharminUltra]

Cute show.

 

[lastflowers]

Re-watching the horse episode from season 2. I'm not sure how this aired on TV.

 

[Nappuccino]

I wish NBC gave us a better way to watch the show online. Their native player is so much worse than Hulu. I couldn't even enjoy the first episode for what it was.

 

[Plasticine]

I get it, this is a thread of fans. But you fans seem really confused why no one watched this show. I am telling you why I stopped watching.

You can not like my answer, or think I am wrong. I know I am wrong, because apparently it turns into something pretty great.

But the procedural feel of the show mixed with the boring main character is why i stopped watching.

I think you know less than Jon Snow.

Hannibal's problem has always been that it's not generic enough. I've watched the shows you're talking about, so I definitely have a frame of reference. The procedural elements on Hannibal were never as straight forward, nor as formulaic as Criminal Minds or CSI. Those shows, and all procedurals, really, are literally the same thing week to week. They have the same structure from episode to episode. Hannibal has never been that formulaic. Not even during the first couple of more procedural heavy episodes. It has always been more interested in things other than the criminals Will Graham hunts.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This is one show I am not worried about. Someone will pick it up.

 

[Leona Lewis]

This show is basically unwatchable for anyone who lives in an apartment, condo, or home with a household and/or easily startled cat because of how dreadful its sound mix is.

Crank up the volume to max for the dialogue, feel your world shake when the next musical crescendo comes and you have to scramble to lower it back to half volume.

Netflix will solve that problem since I could watch it on PS4 with my wireless cans.

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

This show is basically unwatchable for anyone who lives in an apartment, condo, or home with a household and/or easily startled cat because of how dreadful its sound mix is.

Crank up the volume to max for the dialogue, feel your world shake when the next musical crescendo comes and you have to scramble to lower it back to half volume.

Netflix will solve that problem since I could watch it on PS4 with my wireless cans.

Fucking hate that about this show.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

This show is basically unwatchable for anyone who lives in an apartment, condo, or home with a household and/or easily startled cat because of how dreadful its sound mix is.

Crank up the volume to max for the dialogue, feel your world shake when the next musical crescendo comes and you have to scramble to lower it back to half volume.

Netflix will solve that problem since I could watch it on PS4 with my wireless cans.

LOL had this issue last week when I was watching it late at night.

Had my finger hovering over the volume control

 

[-griffy-]

I get it, this is a thread of fans. But you fans seem really confused why no one watched this show. I am telling you why I stopped watching.

You can not like my answer, or think I am wrong. I know I am wrong, because apparently it turns into something pretty great.

But the procedural feel of the show mixed with the boring main character is why i stopped watching.

If anything, the procedural elements are what brought an audience to the show at the start. And then the first episode starts with a family being murdered in extremely graphic fashion as the protagonist reenacts the murder in detail, and then closes with a father killing his wife and then graphically slitting his own daughter's throat as blood sprays everywhere and she lays bleeding out on the floor. Then it only gets weirder and more graphic from there, and the procedural elements gradually slip as the serialized storytelling takes center stage and anyone who might have been interested in those police procedural elements is completely alienated. And here we are today.

 

[i_am_ben]

I actually think the loss of audience/lack of audience is because the show is constantly bleak and depressing.

There aren't really any likable characters either.

 

[wenis]

I actually think the loss of audience/lack of audience is because the show is constantly bleak and depressing.

There aren't really any likable characters either.

Awwww

Peter was a delightful individual.

 

[Turin]

Any chance the show could end up on FX?

I actually think the loss of audience/lack of audience is because the show is constantly bleak and depressing.

There aren't really any likable characters either.

You are objectively wrong, sir.

 

[ivysaur12]

I don't think it's a coincidence that as the show has become more abstract (and to some, obtuse), viewership has declined. That's the nature of these things, unfortunately.

 

[Candeldandel]

Re-watching the horse episode from season 2. I'm not sure how this aired on TV.

Every time I do another watch-through, it's hard to watch S1 E4 (Molly Shannon ep), and they didn't show that one in the US, or at least, it was heavily edited. That... is some dark, fucked up subject matter.

Hilarious trivia: The evil social worker that gets sewn inside the horse is the same guy who plays Russ Hanneman in Silicon Valley, l o l

 

[Verger]

I don't think it's a coincidence that as the show has become more abstract (and to some, obtuse), viewership has declined. That's the nature of these things, unfortunately.

Yeah, the show definitely is not going to attract a big audience the way it is. People with little patience or people who aren't good at following things without it being explained to them will not be interested.

Then of course there's the heavy gore-factor in this series which would turn off lots of people to begin with.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I actually think the loss of audience/lack of audience is because the show is constantly bleak and depressing.

There aren't really any likable characters either.

There are people who enjoy bleak and depressing.

And I disagree with your second statement. I think Will is quite likable. Jack, too. Chilton was also damn great in season 02.

Awwww

http://31.media.tumblr.com/93112841b181e2ac58226b58ceabaca8/tumblr_n4b9pi7qMI1qg6ufco4_r1_500.gi/img]

Peter was a delightful individual.[/QUOTE]I just realized that is the actor who played Daniel Faraday in Lost. I knew I knew him from somewhere.

 

[Stinkles]

I get it, this is a thread of fans. But you fans seem really confused why no one watched this show. I am telling you why I stopped watching.

You can not like my answer, or think I am wrong. I know I am wrong, because apparently it turns into something pretty great.

But the procedural feel of the show mixed with the boring main character is why i stopped watching.

Hannibal is not a procedural. It's a character study about an evolving and complex triangle of friendship. The crime and FBI stuff is almost an afterthought .

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

The new trailer for Hannibal is so utterly beautiful. It feels so... I dunno how to describe it. So spoilery but goddamn, it feels like...

 

[Funky Papa]

I just realized that is the actor who played Daniel Faraday in Lost. I knew I knew him from somewhere.

He has a terrific nad hilarious part in Justified as a violent-by-proxy hillbilly.

 

[lastflowers]

Every time I do another watch-through, it's hard to watch S1 E4 (Molly Shannon ep), and they didn't show that one in the US, or at least, it was heavily edited. That... is some dark, fucked up subject matter.

Hilarious trivia: The evil social worker that gets sewn inside the horse is the same guy who plays Russ Hanneman in Silicon Valley, l o l

bwahaha, so that's why I recognized him but couldn't quite figure out why.

 

[KorrZ]

I don't think it's a coincidence that as the show has become more abstract (and to some, obtuse), viewership has declined. That's the nature of these things, unfortunately.

I've really enjoyed this show so far, season 2 finale was probably the most intense finale I've ever seen. It does seem to be pushing more and more into the self-indulgent side with each season though, and it's starting to slowly turn me off.

I've noticed this amongst my co-workers who have enjoyed the show up to this point as well.

 

[ivysaur12]

THR interview: Interest from multiple parties, Netflix is a no-go because of Amazon, Amazon seems interested but tbd

 

[Zoe]

THR interview: Interest from multiple parties, Netflix is a no-go because of Amazon, Amazon seems interested but tbd

Hmmm...

How many seasons would you ideally have liked to have?

About halfway through the previous season I go, “Oh! That’s what the next season is.” So I could imagine a scenario where I’m halfway through season five and going, “Oh! This is what season six would be.” It really is up to the audience appetite and the appetite of our distribution partner.

That's a bit of a change in tune.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

THR interview: Interest from multiple parties, Netflix is a no-go because of Amazon, Amazon seems interested but tbd

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Hmmm...



That's a bit of a change in tune.

I expect he's wanting it to sound like a more valuable prospect for potential buyers.

 

[ViviOggi]

Hmmm...



That's a bit of a change in tune.

Showtime

 

[Artanisix]

Ehh, I agree that Hannibal wasn't that good at the start. It had the X-files syndrome with "new mystery of the week!" to it. But it vastly improved mid season and season 2 was amazing.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Yeah, I don't think I was really into it until the last third of season 1. S2 was outstanding, though.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I liked season 01, but season 02 was 10x better than the first. Season 03 have been pretty meh so far, though.

 

[VistraNorrez]

The 1st seasons holds up really well. It becomes even more profound when you see how much is brought back in later seasons. So much of Will and Hannibal's relationship wouldn't be nearly as affecting without the groundwork from season 1. I bet that these past 3 episodes of season 3 will be similarly viewed once the season (or at least this first half) is complete. Fuller really created a beautifully woven show.

 

[Mariolee]

Hmmm...



That's a bit of a change in tune.

NeoGAF should buy Hannibal.

 

[jonezer4]

This show is basically unwatchable for anyone who lives in an apartment, condo, or home with a household and/or easily startled cat because of how dreadful its sound mix is.

Crank up the volume to max for the dialogue, feel your world shake when the next musical crescendo comes and you have to scramble to lower it back to half volume.

Netflix will solve that problem since I could watch it on PS4 with my wireless cans.

So glad to see this. I've literally considered I may be going deaf because I've been having so much trouble hearing what the hell is going on in this show. Compound the low dialog with Mads' accent, and I'm considering watching it with closed captioning (if I could get it to work).

 

[Zoe]

I'm in a second floor apartment with a 5 speaker setup (+ the .1 which I rarely turn on) and have no problem hearing everything.

I do have CC's on because I use CC's for everything.

 

[TheOddOne]

- CL: Handicapping Hannibal’s Future: Netflix, Amazon, and Gaumont’s Unknown Design.

Memles does a rundown of Hannibal's future.

 

[jonezer4]

I'm in a second floor apartment with a 5 speaker setup (+ the .1 which I rarely turn on) and have no problem hearing everything.

I do have CC's on because I use CC's for everything.

Couldn't it be that because you have CC's on, you think you hear everything fine but wouldn't without them?

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

This needs to be on a streaming service not another network.

 

[Fancy Clown]

There aren't really any likable characters either.

His name is literally the title of the show

 

[Zoe]

Couldn't it be that because you have CC's on, you think you hear everything fine but wouldn't without them?

Only for Mads. I can look away from the screen and follow everyone else.

 

[Nappuccino]

Hmmm...



That's a bit of a change in tune.

I think this is in part because of how the show has ended up being paced. Originally he was talking about stretching each book into it's own full season, but along the way they seem to be more like half-seasons. Since the show is looking a bit shorter, his initial plan was shaken a bit.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Only for Mads. I can look away from the screen and follow everyone else.

Same. I've never gotten the mix complaints, and I've only ever heard this from gaffers. I think I had some issues in S1 hearing Mads, but that was early on and I didn't have any issues in S2.

S3 Mads has been a little hard to hear at times, but none of the other characters.

 

[DrFaustPhD]

THR interview: Interest from multiple parties, Netflix is a no-go because of Amazon, Amazon seems interested but tbd

Too bad Netflix is out. Their method of giving the creators total reign and dropping all episodes at once could really serve Hannibal well and let them play with their storytelling structure in cool ways. Amazon could be a good hope though, their streaming service is still lacking any unmissable exclusives - they're just such an unknown as far as how they handle things behind closed doors

I'm fully expecting someone to pick up this show

Spoiler

because I might cry if its really really gone

 

[Nappuccino]

Too bad Netflix is out. Their method of giving the creators total reign and dropping all episodes at once could really serve Hannibal well and let them play with their storytelling structure in cool ways. Amazon could be a good hope though, their streaming service is still lacking any unmissable exclusives - they're just such an unknown as far as how they handle things behind closed doors

I'm fully expecting someone to pick up this show

Spoiler

because I might cry if its really really gone

I wonder if Netflix could come in for the show if Amazon passes. Doubtful, but at the same time, if Netflix really wants it they might be able to re-work the contract (or, you know, pay money).

I think Amazon could be a good fit for the show since, financially, they don't need much support. I'm just not sure they'll get the audience they deserve over there.

 

[Verger]

That would suck if Netflix wanted it but couldn't pick it up because of the stupid Amazon deal. And then Amazon won't pick it up either.

Gaumot should have never made that deal to begin with.

 

[ivysaur12]

Too bad Netflix is out. Their method of giving the creators total reign and dropping all episodes at once could really serve Hannibal well and let them play with their storytelling structure in cool ways. Amazon could be a good hope though, their streaming service is still lacking any unmissable exclusives - they're just such an unknown as far as how they handle things behind closed doors

I'm fully expecting someone to pick up this show

Spoiler

because I might cry if its really really gone

Transparent is absolutely fantastic.

 

[NaM]

Transparent is absolutely fantastic.

Can't really refute this since I can't watch it.

 

[awp69]

Transparent is absolutely fantastic.

That show is pretty raw for the Amazon viewing audience (nudity wise in particular). So if they don't mind explicit material in a different way with violence, then Hannibal should have a chance there.

I personally would have preferred Netflix, but I'm willing to pay for episodes on whatever network or streaming service they land on.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Damn. Didn't know Netflix was apparently really interested

“I know there have been discussions on a couple of fronts with Netflix and Amazon. But I believe our deal with Amazon precludes a Netflix component so I think Netflix, who has expressed interest and has expressed great enthusiasm for the show… I don’t think contractually with our Amazon contract, they can pick up the show." - Bryan Fuller