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NBC Cancels Hannibal after 3 Seasons. Show will now be shopped around at other venues
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From the way Fuller describes it, there are MULTIPLE parties that want to pick it up. The only issue now is who.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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It might be garbage. But it likely has significantly better ratings than Hannibal :/
Because as I understand it even if Netflix produces it in other countries, it still doesn't have the distribution rights in America thanks to the Amazon deal so what is the point of spending money on it like that? Purely speculative, but I'm assuming that in those other countries, Hannibal probably doesn't get that many views on their platform anyway since AXN also has distributor rights there and I believe they not only have television networks but also their own easy to use digital platforms. At this point it seems like a surefire deal that Amazon is going to pick it up based on how much Fuller is talking Amazon up.
I really loved Hannibal S1 explicitly because it had a serial story spliced together with "MOTW" stories. That's one reason why The X-Files is one of my favorite series of all time. Imho not all TV shows need to be "hyper serialized". With shows like The X-Files and Hannibal in particular, having case of the week stories interspersed with an overarching plot is a great way to let the show breath and flesh out the characters.
I do think Hannibal needed to "phase out" it's procedural element but I'm really glad those stories were there at the very beginning.
Uggh. What a fucking sham. Amazon streaming is STILL America-only, and if Hannibal gets picked up by them, it will be unavailable for literally everyone else in the world. Why do we still have these archaic distribution rules? I love me some Hannibal, but I ain't moving to America to watch it.
Elysium-777
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I'm fine with anyone picking it up, as long as they don't try to impose any of their ideas on it and just let Fuller have full creative control.
Amazon Prime Instant is not America-only, although the accounts are region-locked (to my knowledge) and of course as usual offerings outside the US suck. That said, we're talking about the streaming rights for America, so I'd assume if there is a (streaming) deal in place in your region (e.g. Maxdome in Germany) nothing changes.
Extra Sauce
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If Hannibal gets picked up by Showtime I will be about as bummed as if it was cancelled permanently.
Would it, though? Here in Canada, Netflix owns the rights. I can't see amazon giving the rights to one of THEIR shows that THEY paid for to a competitor, thereby helping them. Unless maybe there's some law or something I'm otherwise uninformed in allowing it.
Why?
dead souls
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I know right? Airing alongside such travesties as Shameless, Penny Dreadful, Masters of Sex, Homeland and The Affair.
What poor company to find oneself in.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Hannibal will run away at the end and become a lumberjack.
Contracts. Netflix Germany doesn't have S3 of HoC because they sold the rights long before they launched. Also isn't Gaumont responsible for the show anyway? Also if I recall correctly Netflix even sold the rights to some of their shows (before they launched) to Amazon, e.g. I could've sworn Hemlock Grove was on Amazon Prime Instant in Germany (before Netflix launched).
Extra Sauce
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My contempt for Showtime stems from them quickly turning two good shows into bad shows, in the form of Dexter and Homeland. I've heard stories of execs interfering with writers to maintain status quo. I can't speak for the other ones you mentioned though from what little I've seen of Penny Dreadful it is style over substance (or rather, the substance is not on par with the style). I do intend to give it another shot at some point.
I fear Fuller would not get the same creative freedom over at Showtime, for reasons mentioned above. I might be wrong though and I'll admit I was being hyperbolic.
Sweeney Tom
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Dexter was shit
Extra Sauce
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The first season was good.
I don't know why I'm not worried, I just feel like this show will find a way to live, or maybe I don't want to image a world where Hannibal does not continue!
I'm of the opinion that Masters of Sex became extremely dull in the second season (and is one of the most boringly directed shows on premium cable, where as Hannibal is tops on all TV), and Homeland is a shell of its Season 1 self.
Shameless is awesome, and there is much to like about Penny Dreadful (Eva Green the chief reason amongst them), but the Showtime slate leave much to be desired. I personally don't get excited about Showtime like I did back when I first watched the first season of Dexter, the shows seem to be too formulaic and safe, but I'll cheer for any network that takes up the mantle for Hannibal. I feel Hannibal has established what it is that Showtime wouldn't alter it.
I'm of the opinion that Masters of Sex became extremely dull in the second season (and is one of the most boringly directed shows on premium cable, where as Hannibal is tops on all TV), and Homeland is a shell of its Season 1 self.
Shameless is awesome, and there is much to like about Penny Dreadful (Eva Green the chief reason amongst them), but the Showtime slate leave much to be desired. I personally don't get excited about Showtime like I did back when I first watched the first season of Dexter, the shows seem to be too formulaic and safe, but I'll cheer for any network that takes up the mantle for Hannibal. I feel Hannibal has established what it is that Showtime wouldn't alter it.
Dexter was enjoyable in S1-4 (and sometimes legitimately good IMO). Beyond that the downfall in quality was so rapid, so pungent that I got kidney stones just from watching it. Worst TV show quality decline I've ever witnessed. Heroes is a close second.
Dr. Buni
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Heroes was bad from the start
I'd prefer Showtime over Amazon mainly because I have Netflix and have no desire to spend $99 on Amazon Prime. The Netflix produced shows like House of Cards and especially Daredevil are worth it alone. Prime sucks. And I do like Showtime for Penny Dreadful and Homeland, even if it has gone a bit downhill since the first season.
Except it wouldn't become Amazon's show. This is Gaumont's show in the end, and who distributes it in the U.S. won't change the fact that it needs streaming distribution even in other countries where Amazon has no streaming presence. It's possible some of those deals could change (Amazon does stream shows in Germany now, for example) in negotiations if someone like Amazon steps in, but we need to distinguish here between first-run air rights (which rest with CityTV in Canada) and second-run streaming rights, which Netflix purchased and are part of Gaumont's international sales of the series.
You're right about Gaumont, but a similar explanation helps explain the Netflix situationNetflix does not have a full-scale production studio, which means they are technically not the producer of much of its programming. They pay to license it and make worldwide streaming deals, but Orange is Lionsgate, House of Cards is Lionsgate, Hemlock Grove (and Narcos) is Gaumont, etc. And so because Orange, HoC, and Arrested all launched before the launch of many global Netflix services, rights were all sold separately to different markets, meaning that many shows aired on cable/satellite, or landed on other streaming services. The production companies needed to have the right to expand the licensing of the content to help fund their production.
Bobby Roberts
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I do feel like if we gotta end here, at Season 3, if a streaming service provider or cable network doesn't pick it up, I'm okay with it. Getting through Red Dragon always seemed like it'd be a minor miracle, so seeing it realized is a really good exit note, for me. If it had to be. I'm curious as to what the hell Fuller's talking about with his loose description of the tone Season 4 would take, but I'm also okay with that idea forever just floating out there, never fully formed, especially in the face of the three seasons we will have gotten.
Wiktor
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Not even close. Heroes wes never truly good to begin with and turned utter crap in S2 and remained that way.
First four seasons of Dexter were all high quality and so was season 7. Even S5 wasn';t entirely a wash. With Dexter only S6 and 8 were truly terrible.
Buttonbasher
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Discussions probably take longer than that. I wouldn't base all hope around Comic-Con
Bobby Roberts
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I wonder if deals might have been pursued and they're playing it cool/quiet so there's a reveal at comic-con regarding where the show is going.
Otherwise, I'm basically continuing this season with the mindset that this is all we're going to get.
Which is how I've watched the previous two seasons, as well.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I wouldn't expect anything to be announced until after the series has finished up broadcasting on NBC to be honest. If the numbers continue to dip, any interested party could probably use that as leverage to get a better price.
Bryan Fuller can't stop giving interviews.
- TV Insider: Can Hannibal Be Saved? Creator Bryan Fuller on the Shows Fate
- TV Insider: Can Hannibal Be Saved? Creator Bryan Fuller on the Shows Fate
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, that quote was funny in how it starts out with him *aaaalmost* saying "the reason the season starts as slow as it does is because there's too many episodes and not enough story" before spinning it into something positive by the time the quote wraps up.
RatskyWatsky
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lol
Anton Sugar
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Given his complaints about their rushed production schedule/cut resources, it's probably a sly dig at that producer, too. Even with reshoots, he's likely still sore about that.
Season 1 was legitimately good. 2-4 were decent at times but it's clear the show suffered grossly from attempts to make it palatable for a wider range of people. I guess it worked out for them. $$$
dead souls
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Your 2 15-minute long episodes season is one step closer to reality.
I hope you're happy.
I am.
http://deadline.com/2015/07/hannibal-cast-released-new-home-1201467144/
So uh this doesn't look good at all.
So uh this doesn't look good at all.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Sounds like the dream is dead. We got three seasons so theres that.
bodyboarder
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Well that's disappointing news.
Bobby Roberts
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I think we're being let down easy, guys.
Or as easy as it's gonna be.
We were given a rare gift.
Or as easy as it's gonna be.
We were given a rare gift.
Gordon Shumway
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This blows..
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