m_shortpants
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I was in a similar boat a month ago, went with the A6000 and all I can say is I couldn't be happier. It's a great camera.
Can't speak to the Olympus personally.
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I was in a similar boat a month ago, went with the A6000 and all I can say is I couldn't be happier. It's a great camera.
Can't speak to the Olympus personally.
I thought both cameras were around the same size? Or do you mean the lenses on the Sony are bigger?
Thanks for the input.
Yeah at this point I feel like I would be happy with either, just wish I knew which one I'd be happiest with.
Depends.
A6000 is great value of a camera, but E mount APSC as far as lenses are concerned is dead. Sony only released a few bodies, but no new lens IN YEARS. If you think you can get by with the kit zoom and some old but still good primes, go for it.
Canon EOS M system, Nikon 1 and Samsung NX are also all dead mirrorless systems.
Among other mirrorless manufacturers, only Fuji X, M43 (Oly, Panasonic & a bunch of third parties) and Sony full frame E mount remain active with plenty of lens development. I would personally invest in those 3.
So in other words, if limited by your binary choice, go for the Em10.
P.S. M43 and Nikon FX user here.
Art Teitlebaum
Member
Try them in a shop. Handling, menu systen, AF and other characteristics are mostly a matter of taste. Different strokes for different folks.
Lenses get larger as you increase sensor size. The body can only get so small before it's unusable anyway.
hitsugi
Member
I love Sony camera bodies (and I mean I LOVE them) but this is a serious point that I always have to echo.
That being said, while I feel there are enough lenses for e-mount... it is going to cost a lot to get them.
reggieandTFE
Member
The Olympus models also have industry-leading image stabilization. Check out some videos on YouTube to see it in action. (I know the Full frame Sonys have it as well but it's not as effective and they're in a different price class).
Go with the a6000 if you want better video and autofocus for sports.
Go with the Olympus for better, small primes and zoom lenses and the image stabilization.
Since size and price are a concern, I would go with the E-M10.
There are some good, reasonably priced lenses for your categories.
Portraits:
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 45mm f/1.8 $299.99
Panasonic Lumix G 42.5mm f/1.7 ASPH. $347.99
Zoom:
Panasonic Lumix G Vario 45-150mm f/4.0-5.6 ASPH.
$197.99
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm f4.0-5.6 R $199.99 ($79.99 refurb at Olympus Certified Reconditioned Store.)
Macro:
Panasonic Lumix G Macro 30mm f/2.8 ASPH.
$297.99
m_shortpants
Member
On the subject of emount lenses, I'm curious as to thoughts on using smart adapters and canon/Nikon/other lenses with an A6000. Worth it or just stick with whats out there.
MisterNugNug
Member
Anyone know the exact release date for the Fujifilm XT2?
Thanks for all the input guys, I'm leaning heavily towards the Olympus, but will try to see if I can play with both in a store somewhere.
JadedWriter
Member
I have to shoot a parade this Sunday. Forecast is about 50% chance of a thunderstorm. Anybody recommend any good and cheap rain sleeves?
These worked okay for me before http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469774-REG/OP_TECH_USA_9001132_18_Rainsleeve_Set_of.html
JadedWriter
Member
Do these things make lens switching impossible or should I just not do that sort of thing in the rain?
I'd avoid it on the field -- you might just accidentally get droplets on the sensor; it's hard enough to keep droplets out of the front element. Take 2 bodies if needed.
JadedWriter
Member
Only have one body. Guess I'm just keeping the 70-200 on if it starts raining. I at least of uv filters on all of my lenses, don't know if that helps though.
well, you still don't want the droplets to affect your images. hood will help, esp since it's a tele lens so I assume it's pretty deep.
JadedWriter
Member
The lens hood is not small at all. I think the Sigma hood for that is bigger than what I've seen of the Canon 70-200 or it at least seems like it. I know they even threw in an apsc hood extender but no fucking way I was putting that on the lens, fucking thing is big enough and I probably wouldn't even be able to get in in my bag.
John Blade
Member
Just a random questions but it's something I need to look into later one. What is a good Sony E mount prime lens I should look into. As of now, I am looking at Sony SEL35F18 35mm f/1.8 Prime Fixed Lens and was wondering if they is other better prime lens I should look into.
The uber sharp 55mm f1.8 Zeiss lens. The 28mm f2 isn't bad either.
QualityPixel
Banned
What is gaf's ppinion on best wide angle lens for Nikon DX. I need something reasonably priced, but with very low distortion. Going to be used for architectural photography.
I don't want to deal with wavy distortion, but I can easily handle simple barrel distortion.
I'm leaning towards the Nikon 10-24mm, but it has jumped in price from ~$700-900 since I last look a while back.
I don't want to deal with wavy distortion, but I can easily handle simple barrel distortion.
I'm leaning towards the Nikon 10-24mm, but it has jumped in price from ~$700-900 since I last look a while back.
StopMakingSense
Member
The Tokina UW zooms are by far the best bang for your buck.
For APS-C? I'd rather look at the much cheaper 50mm f1.8 OSS.
sechsterangriff
Member
The Sigmas are actually very good value for the money. They just lack stabilization (OSS). The 60mm is one of the sharpest native (APS-C) lens you can buy on the system.
I also vouch for the Samyang/Rokinon 12 mm f/2.0 NCS CS. It's crazy sharp for an ultra wide APS-C lens. Its only issues are the fact it's a manual lens and has some noticeable chromatic aberration (fortunately Lightroom now has a lens profile for it).
Have you considered renting?
LensRentals.com has the Nikon 10-24 for $38/4 days. And if the lens worked out the way you wanted, you can keep it instead of sending it back. The payment says it could be anywhere from $630-800 if you decided to keep it (it's based on condition of the lens).
I've purchased a Canon 16-35 and a wireless mic from them on different occasions after using them and they're still working perfectly.
Just something to consider.
For APSC E mount, I think the Zeiss 24mm f1.8 is among the very best. It's not cheap though...
do they do this with all of their lenses or only certain ones?
They have a box next to the item informing you if it can be a keeper.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/10/introducing-lensrentals-keeper/
I rented a Nikon D500 along with a Sigma 30mm 1.4 and my gawd!!!! This camera is insane, that 10fps burst along with staying in focus is soooo good.
Now I wish I had rented a telephoto and taken it to the Zoo.
Rented this from lens rental and did a local pick up. Tennessee you are good for once!
Now I wish I had rented a telephoto and taken it to the Zoo.
Rented this from lens rental and did a local pick up. Tennessee you are good for once!
Got paid today and went to a few local camera store websites, and I see there's a Fuji sale on, which is perfect timing given I've been looking at an X-T1 / X-T10 (but wanting to wait for a price drop given big brother is on his way). Not sure if it's a Canada thing or not, seems to be on until 9/30 and touches all models and lenses.
Now to sift through all the choices...
Now to sift through all the choices...
John Blade
Member
The sales is mostly for trying to sell those X-T1 camera as the new X-T2 is coming out soon. If you to get it cheap and don't mind he the old version, go with the X-T1 now.
I have had a UZ2711 Dell for a while now, its a great IPS monitor. Unfortunately it has been acting up lately, i turn it off and it wont turn back on until i unplug it and let it sit.
Been considering getting a new monitor down the road. Anyone have any experience with the curved super wide screens? I think it would be useful in the sense that I can sit closer to it and not have to move around. I currently sit pretty close to the 27" but its so massive and flat that i end up adjusting in my seat to see different areas. Also i mostly do a lot of panoramas so editing those would be good because i can get them bigger.
Been considering getting a new monitor down the road. Anyone have any experience with the curved super wide screens? I think it would be useful in the sense that I can sit closer to it and not have to move around. I currently sit pretty close to the 27" but its so massive and flat that i end up adjusting in my seat to see different areas. Also i mostly do a lot of panoramas so editing those would be good because i can get them bigger.
VisceralBowl
Member
I tried a curved ultra wide. Not a fan. I do like the format, but the curved part was just too weird for me.
theepicoftyler
Member
On the subject of monitors... Has anyone used a 4k TV as a monitor? I've read that you want a TV capable 4:4:4 chroma for text rendering, but how about image editing? There are some 43" 4k TVs that I've had my eye on wondering if I can dump my two old monitors for.
I know next to nothing about cameras. Are either of these decent for a noob? Would one be much better than the other?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RKNND2W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C3LEBW6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I guess I need something with wifi and one that can take decent pictures in low light. Anything in the price range of those listed.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RKNND2W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C3LEBW6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I guess I need something with wifi and one that can take decent pictures in low light. Anything in the price range of those listed.
JadedWriter
Member
But none of these would be good in low light since they're apertures are too tiny.
Art Teitlebaum
Member
JadedWriter is correct. If you want good results in low light, you need a camera with a lens that can let a lot of light pass through it. This is indicated by a low value for the aperture.
A lens with a minimal aperture of 2,0 or lower is better for low light conditions than the 3,4 of the Canon you mentioned.
Examples:
Nikon P340 with a minimum aperture of 1,8
Lumix LX7 with an aperture starting at 1,4
There are a quite a lot of cameras that offer these lenses. Problem for you: These cameras are not very cheap, so that you might look for open box, refurbished or used devices.
Fuji XQ2, Sony RX100 II, Canon S120 for example are worth a look, too.
Ok thanks. I guess low light isn't exactly as important for me. I just want something decent for a beginner that also has wifi. The only reason I listed those is because of wifi, price and the zoom features. Told ya I'm a complete noob. Just something that can take better pics than a crappy phone camera.
JadedWriter
Member
The image quality of these super zoom bridge cameras aren't too great though. They have reach and can take a picture but they're nothing to write home about. I started on a Nikon p530 but upgraded within like 2 months to a Nikon D7100. You might want to look for an A5000 or something.
QualityPixel
Banned
Yeah, I've rented from lensrentals.com a few times, and a couple rentals from local camera shops. It's just to the point where I may need to permanently own one for regular use. I've rented a 10-24 Nikon, 12-24mm Nikon, and a Sigma 12-24mm (this one was amazing on full frame!).
I actually made an excel spreadsheet that rated the various aspects I judge a lens by, and the Tokina 16-28 (if I upgrade to a FX camera) and the Tokina 11-20 I've ranked very high. I would share this list but it's all opinion based off the 3 wide zooms I've used and the 11 other wide zooms after reading reviews and looking at sample images. With out money to just throw around, the Tokinas look mighty attractive.
I love traveling but the pictures I take never do what I see justice mostly because its a phone camera so I'm ready to learn and jump to quality.
1. What is your budget budget?
$800 maybe 1k with a good lens
2. Main purpose of the camera?
Capturing mountains, sunsets, landscapes, etc. Mainly lots of scenery
3. What form factor is most appealing to you?
?
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
Probably some lenses.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked?
Have used a Canon DSLR before but I dont remember the model
1. What is your budget budget?
$800 maybe 1k with a good lens
2. Main purpose of the camera?
Capturing mountains, sunsets, landscapes, etc. Mainly lots of scenery
3. What form factor is most appealing to you?
?
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
Probably some lenses.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked?
Have used a Canon DSLR before but I dont remember the model
Art Teitlebaum
Member
I guess that means you will carry it around while hiking/walking/climbing and such activities? Then a mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses are the best option, I guess. Smaller and lighter than DSLRs. I was tired of lugging around my huge ass camera, too.
Three systems are relevant:
- Micro Four Thirds with cameras from Olympus and Panasonic.
Oly M10 II or Lumix GX80 are in your budget. Lots of really fantastic and small lenses available for all tastes and prices.
- Sony E-Mount
Sony A6000 is still relevant though the more expensive A6300 is out already. A6000 has nice image quality. Lens market is a little smaller and the lenses often are somehow bulkier, but the packet still is smaller than most DSLRs .
- Fuji X-System
Fuji X-T10 and X-E2. Great quality, fine lenses, nice retro bodies. AF is not the fastest, but when shooting scenery not really relevant imo.
Try them if you can. There's not THE best camera for every individual user. Matter of taste.
I opted for MFT because of the size of the camera plus lens. The sensor in those is a bit smaller than in the other systems but as long you are not pixel-peeping in 100% mode at your monitor you won't see a significant gap to the other two systems.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Just heard about the dual pixel RAW format for the new 5D.
http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos...stprocessing-new-image-detailed-specs-leaked/
What is this black magic.
http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos...stprocessing-new-image-detailed-specs-leaked/
What is this black magic.
I actually dont mind, are there any drastic drawbacks to a mirrorless camera or is a good DSLR out of my price range?
Edit: Being doing a tad of research and it looks like battery life is the main concern with mirrorless
I think a good DSLR is cheaper than a good mirrorless all things considered. Another big difference between mirrorless and DSLR is the view finder. DSLR is optical while mirrorless is digital. Some people like it some people don't. Digital view finder is easier in the sense that your shot is pretty close to what you see in normal conditions, similar to a phone. Optical view finder doesn't have latency issue but you have to understand how camera sees differently than our eyes.
Take a look at Pentax K-S2 or K-70 and pair it up with the 16-85 or 18-135 weather sealed lens for a perfect weather sealed, walk around setup. The 16-85 produces slightly better image quality and is a bit larger but 18-135 is perfectly fine too. If you get the 18-135, you can probably fit a 35mm f2.4 or 50mm f1.8 prime lenses in your budget; those are only about 100 dollars and produce good images. But you may prefer a wider lense later on if you are into landscape.
I'll let others talk about Canon or Nikon. I don't follow them closely anymore.
Ended up getting the X-T1 with the 27mm pancake lens today. Hoping the small size of the package gets me to take the camera more often than my old DSLR did, before I jump into other lens options.
I noticed the 14mm lens is like $400 off here in Canada, have there been any rumors on a replacement coming for this one? The 23mm is $250 off and I saw the pics of the upcoming f/2 version today, so given those two have the biggest discounts I wonder if that's just a really good price or a sign of things to come.
I noticed the 14mm lens is like $400 off here in Canada, have there been any rumors on a replacement coming for this one? The 23mm is $250 off and I saw the pics of the upcoming f/2 version today, so given those two have the biggest discounts I wonder if that's just a really good price or a sign of things to come.