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NeoGAF Camera Equipment Thread | MK II

Leica has an instant camera and their hall is completely empty. I'm not sure why since they still have the space. Sony has A99II -- surprising announcement but doesn't matter to 99% of people; instead, a more DSLR like FE mount A9 with larger buffers, dual SD cards, faster SD card write outs would have mattered to larger audiences. Pentax has... a firmware update since they had a busy year. If nothing's announced at Photokina, there's CES, CP+ etc etc.
I actually forgot to write out A99II, but yeah since the A mount seems to be dead I'm shocked they even specced it out and made it. For some odd reason when I think of CES I think of new TV's. I do not pay attention to Leica, since I'll never be able to afford one I just do not pay attention to them. I'm looking at a vid with the Nikon 1.4 105mm and that thing it fucking HUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE!!!! It's about the height of the 105mm Macro and fatter.
 

RuGalz

Member
I do not pay attention to Leica, since I'll never be able to afford one I just do not pay attention to them.

I can't afford any of that stuff either. The only reason I even pay attention is because I TA and I often wish I have even just 1/100 wealth of some of these people.
 
Beats me, but some of these people are like retired surgeons, lawyers, fund managers.
So rich people? I might have seen an event photographer with one. I checked their site and everything is about the price of a D4S and up. Their 90-280 2.8-4 looks like a damn stove pipe. I guess I'm going to just wind up being a Nikon and Fuji shooter. Fuji actually seems pretty cool and accessible.
 

RuGalz

Member
So rich people? I might have seen an event photographer with one. I checked their site and everything is about the price of a D4S and up. Their 90-280 2.8-4 looks like a damn stove pipe. I guess I'm going to just wind up being a Nikon and Fuji shooter. Fuji actually seems pretty cool and accessible.

Well there are also those people who are willing to spend big bucks for that last few % of improvements or people who simply want it for status quo. I think Fuji is great the only down side for me is they are very similar to Pentax when it comes to system weaknesses and I still have a hard time adjusting to not having IBIS.
 
Well there are also those people who are willing to spend big bucks for that last few % of improvements or people who simply want it for status quo. I think Fuji is great the only down side for me is they are very similar to Pentax when it comes to system weaknesses and I still have a hard time adjusting to not having IBIS.
I'd probably love IBIS, but I guess I have no problem living without it. I don't really take long exposures or anything, I could use it during night shots or event shooting, but if a dude's moving the shot would be blurry regardless.
 

Oxn

Member
Well there are also those people who are willing to spend big bucks for that last few % of improvements or people who simply want it for status quo. I think Fuji is great the only down side for me is they are very similar to Pentax when it comes to system weaknesses and I still have a hard time adjusting to not having IBIS.

There's no improvement.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
You tell me. I don't have first hand experience with Leica, just going by what people tell me. Do the corners perform 5% better on those lenses? Is the system overall just snappier?

I don't know either. I really don't think there is one that justifies the price premium. Film days, yes. Now? Not so much. It's paying for the brand.
 
You tell me. I don't have first hand experience with Leica, just going by what people tell me. Do the corners perform 5% better on those lenses? Is the system overall just snappier?
I guess you just pay extra for that German engineering, which is the best engineering in the world.
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Ty4on

Member
You tell me. I don't have first hand experience with Leica, just going by what people tell me. Do the corners perform 5% better on those lenses? Is the system overall just snappier?

Of course a lot of it is expensive because they can (and the used prices for ancient lenses is ridiculous), but Leica still puts out some great glass. Especially when you consider how small their lenses are.

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RuGalz

Member
Of course a lot of it is expensive because they can (and the used prices for ancient lenses is ridiculous), but Leica still puts out some great glass. Especially when you consider how small their lenses are.

Can always count on you to find those numbers, lol. Well, like everything, you can spend maybe half of the money to get something 70-80% as good and the cost for that last 20% of improvements goes up pretty quickly. Sigma Art series is pretty impressive at least from cost and sharpness point of view but there are other factors of course like size as you mentioned.
 
Of course a lot of it is expensive because they can (and the used prices for ancient lenses is ridiculous), but Leica still puts out some great glass. Especially when you consider how small their lenses are.

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What do these mean? It's like looking at a JRPG stat sheet.
 

Ty4on

Member
Can always count on you to find those numbers, lol. Well, like everything, you can spend maybe half of the money to get something 70-80% as good and the cost for that last 20% of improvements goes up pretty quickly. Sigma Art series is pretty impressive at least from cost and sharpness point of view but there are other factors of course like size as you mentioned.
Kinda the same with most photography equipment. An 1.4 certainly isn't 3-10x better than a 1.8, but we sure want it :p
What do these mean? It's like looking at a JRPG stat sheet.
MTF50 with line pairs per picture height.

MTF50 means you have white and black lines and meassure when contrast between the two is 50% or higher. So a result of 1500 means you can put 1500 alternating black and white lines going from top to bottom of the image sensor and the contrast between the two would be 50% (so plenty to distinguish the lines). It's line pairs so in total it would mean 3000 lines.

The astigmatism is how different the lens performs with lines that go outward from the center (tangential) or circle around it (sagittal). This can affect bokeh (the Petzval bokeh is caused by astigmatism from the tangential and sagittal plane being focused differently hence why the balls are "squeezed" instead of circular) and smear the edges.
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Edit: Don't worry if you don't quite understand that, I don't really either. I tried to read Rudolf Kingslake's "Fundamental's of Optics" and didn't understand a thing. The book also hilariously started showing a double gauss design (what most 50mm lenses use, perhaps the most simple design still in use) and stated that it was much more complicated than what the book would cover...
It really helps with visual aids to see how a lens works and how aberrations affect the image.
 
Kinda the same with most photography equipment. An 1.4 certainly isn't 3-10x better than a 1.8, but we sure want it :p

MTF50 with line pairs per picture height.

MTF50 means you have white and black lines and meassure when contrast between the two is 50% or higher. So a result of 1500 means you can put 1500 alternating black and white lines going from top to bottom of the image sensor and the contrast between the two would be 50% (so plenty to distinguish the lines). It's line pairs so in total it would mean 3000 lines.

The astigmatism is how different the lens performs with lines that go outward from the center (tangential) or circle around it (sagittal). This can affect bokeh (the Petzval bokeh is caused by astigmatism from the tangential and sagittal plane being focused differently hence why the balls are "squeezed" instead of circular) and smear the edges.
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Edit: Don't worry if you don't quite understand that, I don't really either. I tried to read Rudolf Kingslake's "Fundamental's of Optics" and didn't understand a thing. The book also hilariously started showing a double gauss design (what most 50mm lenses use, perhaps the most simple design still in use) and stated that it was much more complicated than what the book would cover...
It really helps with visual aids to see how a lens works and how aberrations affect the image.
Photography science is serious business, jesus christ.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I've shot Leica a few times. The bodies have crazy good build quality. And their monochrom units shoot absolutely gorgeous black and white, high contrast, shots. The lenses feel great. Remember, they're full frame in a small-ish body, which wasn't common until Sony brought it to the mainstream. And they have a handful of "grail glass" like the Noctilux 50mm f0.95.

All that said, I feel my Fuji X-T1 can give me 90% of the experience - WITH BETTER CONTROLS AND ERGONOMICS - for less than 20% of the cost.
 
I've shot Leica a few times. The bodies have crazy good build quality. And their monochrom units shoot absolutely gorgeous black and white, high contrast, shots. The lenses feel great. Remember, they're full frame in a small-ish body, which wasn't common until Sony brought it to the mainstream. And they have a handful of "grail glass" like the Noctilux 50mm f0.95.

All that said, I feel my Fuji X-T1 can give me 90% of the experience - WITH BETTER CONTROLS AND ERGONOMICS - for less than 20% of the cost.

Yeah, I'd love to have a dedicated B&W camera, but I certainly would NOT be able to justify buying Leica cameras.

I have thought about getting their older lenses for my A7II though, so I guess they've got that going for them haha.
 
sooooo I may end up getting a DJI Phantom 3 Standard this week. I know almost nothing about drones, so any advice from owners would be greatly appreciated.

I don't think the one I may end up getting has gimbals (?) which I assume would be highly desirable to video, but it does have a camera mounted to it. Any idea on where to get good and cheap gimbals?

Tips on flying without crashing, landing without crashing, losing connection without crashing, crashing without braking it etc.
 

Ty4on

Member
Photography science is serious business, jesus christ.

Those equations are insane. It's so complicated they almost never make fresh designs and instead iterate on older designs. That's why stuff like Sigma's 18-35 f1.8 is so rare.

Looking at Nikon's 24-70mm f2.8 you can see how the new one:
Is very similar to the old one:
Which wasn't that different to the much, much older 28-70mm f2.8 from 1999:

Now Nikon are a bit weird in how they design standard zooms like these three and have a negative front group. That is very common for ultrawide lenses, but uncommon for standard zooms. You can see Canon's 24-70mm f2.8 looks totally different with a positive front group:
That's also why the Nikon doesn't extend linearly when zooming while the Canon does. 18-55 lenses typically have a negative lead design as well and also move in that weird way when zooming.

I don't exactly know why they did this because holy fuck these lenses are complicated, but you can see from Lensrental's comparison (they do as close to apples to apples as is possible) that the Nikon generally performs more evenly with sharper corners. The Canon is smaller, but also lacks VR.

Nikon even made a video about the design of the 24-70mm VR where they briefly mention going with a negative lead over the traditional positive lead.

I've shot Leica a few times. The bodies have crazy good build quality. And their monochrom units shoot absolutely gorgeous black and white, high contrast, shots. The lenses feel great. Remember, they're full frame in a small-ish body, which wasn't common until Sony brought it to the mainstream. And they have a handful of "grail glass" like the Noctilux 50mm f0.95.

All that said, I feel my Fuji X-T1 can give me 90% of the experience - WITH BETTER CONTROLS AND ERGONOMICS - for less than 20% of the cost.
They're too expensive for me and the fans can be obnoxious in thinking that everything it does is magical, but I like that they're putting some of that money to develop really good optics, make bodies that have great build quality and make something completely different from other cameras on the market. If I were a millionaire I'd love to own knowing it wasn't just to show how rich I was, but also gave me a unique shooting experience. Heck, I think most normal people don't quite know what it is and are more impressed by a Canon 1DXmII/Nikon D5.
 

FStop7

Banned
I've had a few different Leicas now. They're pretty great. I think the M body is better suited for 35mm film than it is for digital, tbh. The nicest thing about the digital M body is that since you're using an optical viewfinder and manual focus it means that battery usage is pretty minimal. It's also a very, very low key design. You can practically be in someone's face with it and they won't notice. And if they do notice it's usually a much more muted response than if you had an SLR with a big lens pointed at them.

The SL native lenses are huge (and the 24-90 lens I rented broke on me, which makes me question its quality and reliability) but it's pretty fantastic with M mount lenses. Barely bigger than an M body yet it has 7 to 10 fps burst, GPS, a 4K EVF, dual card slots, wi-fi, tethering (wireless or wired), etc.
 

Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I've had a few different Leicas now. They're pretty great. I think the M body is better suited for 35mm film than it is for digital, tbh. The nicest thing about the digital M body is that since you're using an optical viewfinder and manual focus it means that battery usage is pretty minimal. It's also a very, very low key design. You can practically be in someone's face with it and they won't notice. And if they do notice it's usually a much more muted response than if you had an SLR with a big lens pointed at them.

The SL native lenses are huge (and the 24-90 lens I rented broke on me, which makes me question its quality and reliability) but it's pretty fantastic with M mount lenses. Barely bigger than an M body yet it has 7 to 10 fps burst, GPS, a 4K EVF, dual card slots, wi-fi, tethering (wireless or wired), etc.

So here I am explaining why anyone would buy or use a Leica; but I'd like to put on my "student hat" and ask the point of the SL body and system. Like, I've read all the reviews and I'm familiar with its specs and its description, but it just doesn't make sense to me, the unitiatied.

The body is astronomical, the lenses are massive and expensive, it's heavy... And in return, you don't get a bigger sensor and you get some features that are in a $1600 Fuji.

Don't get me wrong - it's a sexy piece of kit. I suppose, how would you sell me on the idea and finally push me over the edge to give it a rental (since I've toyed with the idea ever since Steve Huff named it his camera of the year).
 

FStop7

Banned
So here I am explaining why anyone would buy or use a Leica; but I'd like to put on my "student hat" and ask the point of the SL body and system. Like, I've read all the reviews and I'm familiar with its specs and its description, but it just doesn't make sense to me, the unitiatied.

The body is astronomical, the lenses are massive and expensive, it's heavy... And in return, you don't get a bigger sensor and you get some features that are in a $1600 Fuji.

Don't get me wrong - it's a sexy piece of kit. I suppose, how would you sell me on the idea and finally push me over the edge to give it a rental (since I've toyed with the idea ever since Steve Huff named it his camera of the year).

I don't think there is a full frame Fuji mirrorless for $1600 but there is the A7II for $1700 and the A7RII for $3200.

Honestly I don't think I'd try to sell anyone on the SL unless they have a set of M glass or want to build one. I love M lenses (not only Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander as well) because of how compact they are. Travelling with a set of 4 primes in a small bag is pretty awesome. The Sonys have issues with some M-mount lenses that are 35mm or wider: corner vignetting, magenta color shift, and off-center smearing. It has to do with the positioning of the rear of the lens in relation to the sensor and the thickness of the glass cover that sits on top of the sensor. That's why Kolari exists - they modify Sony sensors by replacing the factory cover glass with something thinner in order to help correct this. The SL doesn't suffer from this and it has built in correction profiles for pretty much every modern M lens that Leica's produced.

The SL being TTL means no rangefinder parallax and the EVF and focus peaking make it easier to precisely focus than a rangefinder when shooting wide open or when shooting a tele lens like a 75, 90, or 135. I know there are a lot of Noctilux 0.95 owners who absolutely love the SL because their keeper ratios have gone way up. Plus the GPS, wi-fi, etc... I think it's a great package. They're around $5500 used which is obviously a lot more than a brand new A7RII, but again if you're invested in M glass and want to continue to get the most out of it then it's worth considering spending the extra $$.

When it comes to native SL lenses I'm at a loss. They're built like rugged tanks and yet I had a reliability problem with the 24-90 that I rented and I found 3 other cases of people experiencing the same problem. This is a lens that Leica heavily positions as being super durable and reliable, but my experience left me pretty skeptical. And it's a shame because the image quality is outstanding. Razor sharp, great color pop, tons of shadow detail, etc. But it's very bulky and I don't think I'd own one without a full warranty and I'd always carry a backup lens with me, which means even more weight. And it's so big that it's like going back to a DSLR when it comes to lugging a heavy bag full of gear through the airport.
 

Ty4on

Member
I think the 24-90 might just be too big and complicated for its own good. A more compromised lens might have been better suited for the camera. It has like 5 groups moving independently when zooming.
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I got my D600 and like it, only thing is it feels like I have to relearn the accepted amount of under and over exposure before a picture suffers. I found that it's pretty easy to blow out skin tones and highlights.
 

RuGalz

Member
The Sonys have issues with some M-mount lenses that are 35mm or wider: corner vignetting, magenta color shift, and off-center smearing. It has to do with the positioning of the rear of the lens in relation to the sensor and the thickness of the glass cover that sits on top of the sensor.

Didn't they "fix" it with A7RII (not A7II)?
 
I can barely survive an entire DigitalRev video these days, but congrats on the gig.

It's coz the DRTV dream team is gone. Rita was an alright replacement for Alamby but she was the total opposite of Alamby who acted like she hated what she was doing lol. Even the Australian chick they had recently is gone.

But yes, thanks!

I'm probably joining the D6x0 club soon thanks to this gig. I'm leaving my freelance gig and I don't need high quality stuff to use for work and just want a FF for fun so I'm pretty dang excited. Hopefully Black Friday sales help out haha.
 
It's coz the DRTV dream team is gone. Rita was an alright replacement for Alamby but she was the total opposite of Alamby who acted like she hated what she was doing lol. Even the Australian chick they had recently is gone.

But yes, thanks!

I'm probably joining the D6x0 club soon thanks to this gig. I'm leaving my freelance gig and I don't need high quality stuff to use for work and just want a FF for fun so I'm pretty dang excited. Hopefully Black Friday sales help out haha.
Just check ebay. It's not hard to find a decent enough 600 or 610 on there. DRTV became too much about boring jokes to me. I can still tolerate their older stuff, but the newer stuff just doesn't really work for me.
 

Saturnman

Banned
I got my D600 and like it, only thing is it feels like I have to relearn the accepted amount of under and over exposure before a picture suffers. I found that it's pretty easy to blow out skin tones and highlights.

Welcome to the club.

My experience is that it's more forgiving than on, say, m43. But I always prefer to underexpose a bit and then fix the pics later. WB is often a little off on Nikon bodies for my tastes (usually too cold) so there's going to be post processing in any case.

M43, especially with Olympus, involves less post processing. WB usually right on and, though I underexpose a bit, this can be quickly dealt with in-camera.
 
Welcome to the club.

My experience is that it's more forgiving than on, say, m43. But I always prefer to underexpose a bit and then fix the pics later. WB is often a little off on Nikon bodies for my tastes (usually too cold) so there's going to be post processing in any case.

M43, especially with Olympus, involves less post processing. WB usually right on and, though I underexpose a bit, this can be quickly dealt with in-camera.
Considering how I tend to contrast the shit out of my stuff any way I'm not too bothered by the coldness of nikon stuff. Yeah I'll probably under expose a little bit now. With how I seem to have a lot more leeway with that now. After I did the lost and turned them into jpeg the pics look damn good.
DRTV was never good. They day I can succumb to them is the day I sub to Jared Polin too
What exactly is wrong with Jared Polin? I like him way more than the Angry Photographer for example.
 
Are we talking about Apotheosis there?

He's really knowledgeable, really knows his lenses and sounds like he has high technical knowledge, but he's *also* very elitist. He *completely* shits on anything Mirrorless, beyond just preferences, acting as though they're just pieces of shit. He's completely close minded and I don't think he'd ever admit to something being better than what he has in his bag personally. So while I do like to listen to his advice and knowledge on some subjects, I've learned to take it with a grain of salt.

I like Digital Rev's humor, and their sort of no-nonsense reviews (Sure it's cool that it has XYZ, but who gives a shit that's not important, etc), and I like the way that their reviews/videos include a lot of their process, rather than just the results. Makes it feel more personal, IMO. Again, grain of salt.

Tony Northrup and Matt Granger are about the only ones that I watch and respect enough to pretty much just take their word for it haha.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
He's really knowledgeable, really knows his lenses and sounds like he has high technical knowledge, but he's *also* very elitist. He *completely* shits on anything Mirrorless, beyond just preferences, acting as though they're just pieces of shit. He's completely close minded and I don't think he'd ever admit to something being better than what he has in his bag personally. So while I do like to listen to his advice and knowledge on some subjects, I've learned to take it with a grain of salt.

He seems to heap lots of praise on the XT2, which is mirrorless. He also shits on Sony a lot, but I think that's because of build quality, customer service, and overheating/corrosion problems.

I think he does let his knowledge get the best of him sometimes though, in that what he thinks "looks" the best might not be what others think. Even though "looks" is a subjective quality. And yes, even though he might have more qualifications/coming from a more informed background in determining what "looks good", photography is still an art form, and full of subjective qualifications.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Tony Northrup and Matt Granger are about the only ones that I watch and respect enough to pretty much just take their word for it haha.

Tony has pretty good content. The only thing I disagreed with him about is that video about how we shouldn't use FF lenses on crop sensors. I might have been misunderstanding what he was trying to say, but he was going through some weird convoluted mechanics to make a point that's not necessarily valid. Especially that aperture math. Dunno what that was all about. Again, maybe I just misunderstood.
 
Tony has pretty good content. The only thing I disagreed with him about is that video about how we shouldn't use FF lenses on crop sensors. I might have been misunderstanding what he was trying to say, but he was going through some weird convoluted mechanics to make a point that's not necessarily valid. Especially that aperture math. Dunno what that was all about. Again, maybe I just misunderstood.

Actually, that's entirely true. You can sort of think of it as DPI on a monitor vs DPI on a phone.

If we take a phone that has a 1080p screen, and a monitor that has a 1080p screen, they'll both have a 1920x1080 area, and thus the same number of pixels. Now, if you were to take that 1080p monitor, and cut out a square the size of the phone, you're definitely not going to have 1920x1080 left, because the pixel sizes are so different. That square you just cut out might be 1280x720, or even worse, even if both the phone and the monitor were 1080p.

The same thing happens with lenses. If one is rated at 36MP across a Full Frame, and then you put it on an APSC sensor, you're cutting out half of that 36MP, because a lot of the "pixels" that they are counting are just not being used. Technically, a 36MP APSC resolves detail greater than a 36MP FF lens.

He seems to heap lots of praise on the XT2, which is mirrorless. He also shits on Sony a lot, but I think that's because of build quality, customer service, and overheating/corrosion problems.

I think he does let his knowledge get the best of him sometimes though, in that what he thinks "looks" the best might not be what others think. Even though "looks" is a subjective quality. And yes, even though he might have more qualifications/coming from a more informed background in determining what "looks good", photography is still an art form, and full of subjective qualifications.

I just remember how he made a whole video whining that a professional photographer ended up switching to Sony because that's what he liked, and he spent a whole video going "Mirrorless is garbage" and said some pretty ridiculous shit, such as using a ladder being easier than using a tilt screen.
 
He was screaming about Jason Lanier. I saw his response to that as well. My problem with Apotheosis is how unprofessional he comes off ass pissing off several photographers in the process. Say your knowledge, but don't be an asshole in the process. At least he likes the XT2, but my god grow up a bit. I can take him...in doses, but man.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
If we take a phone that has a 1080p screen, and a monitor that has a 1080p screen, they'll both have a 1920x1080 area, and thus the same number of pixels. Now, if you were to take that 1080p monitor, and cut out a square the size of the phone, you're definitely not going to have 1920x1080 left, because the pixel sizes are so different. That square you just cut out might be 1280x720, or even worse, even if both the phone and the monitor were 1080p.
Is this analogy to show that most modern crop sensors have a greater pixel density than their full frame sensor counterparts? Yeah, but what does that have to do with the nature of the lens?

The same thing happens with lenses. If one is rated at 36MP across a Full Frame, and then you put it on an APSC sensor, you're cutting out half of that 36MP, because a lot of the "pixels" that they are counting are just not being used. Technically, a 36MP APSC resolves detail greater than a 36MP FF lens.
I think this is the part that Tony lost me in the video because I don't think of lenses in terms of how many megapixels they resolve. All I know is that my full frame lenses work just fine on crop bodies. Arguably, they look even better (sharper) because the crop sensor crops out the corner unsharpness and vignetting on the edges.

I think what is going on here is that the example you used about megapixel "rating" doesn't really apply to my real world experience since the "rating" of my lenses are so high anyway that it doesn't matter which sensor I put it on.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I just remember how he made a whole video whining that a professional photographer ended up switching to Sony because that's what he liked, and he spent a whole video going "Mirrorless is garbage" and said some pretty ridiculous shit, such as using a ladder being easier than using a tilt screen.

I didn't see that video.
 
Is this analogy to show that most modern crop sensors have a greater pixel density than their full frame sensor counterparts? Yeah, but what does that have to do with the nature of the lens?
Just as sensors have resolution, lenses have resolving power, often just referred to as "sharpness". APSC lenses have, you could say, better "sharpness density". Really it's just that they are sharper, period, but that sharpness advantage is equalled out by the pixel density increase on the sensor.

I think this is the part that Tony lost me in the video because I don't think of lenses in terms of how many megapixels they resolve. All I know is that my full frame lenses work just fine on crop bodies. Arguably, they look even better (sharper) because the crop sensor crops out the corner unsharpness and vignetting on the edges.

I think what is going on here is that the example you used about megapixel "rating" doesn't really apply to my real world experience since the "rating" of my lenses are so high anyway that it doesn't matter which sensor I put it on.
It's not so much that your FF lens will look like shit on an APSC body, it's more that an APSC lens of equivalent quality will look a bit better, and be much cheaper, so unless you have a FF upgrade that's imminent, it's not a budget wise smart choice to buy FF lenses for crop bodies.

And you're right, lenses don't really resolve in "pixels", but the detail that they do resolve does fit into pixels. All else equal, a "24mp lens" and a "36mp lens" would look equally sharp on a 24MP sensor, but on a 36MP sensor, the 36MP lens would be sharper. Resolving power is definitely a thing.

He was screaming about Jason Lanier. I saw his response to that as well. My problem with Apotheosis is how unprofessional he comes off ass pissing off several photographers in the process. Say your knowledge, but don't be an asshole in the process. At least he likes the XT2, but my god grow up a bit. I can take him...in doses, but man.

I like Jason, and I certainly don't suspect him of being bought and paid for, but he is a smidge too enthusiastic for Sony. I can see him thinking Sony's lenses are of higher quality than the Nikon and Canon variants, but I can't really see them being *that* much higher quality to warrant the price like he does.
 
Jason loves his Sony Zeiss lenses. I saw a video of what he's packing and damn...that shit's just expensive. I'm like, "when do you get to an affordable lens?"
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
It's not so much that your FF lens will look like shit on an APSC body, it's more that an APSC lens of equivalent quality will look a bit better, and be much cheaper, so unless you have a FF upgrade that's imminent, it's not a budget wise smart choice to buy FF lenses for crop bodies.

OK, maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought Tony's main point was that FF lenses on crop bodies don't give the sharpest results? Maybe there was a point about budget there too that I'm not remembering.

APSC lens of equivalent quality will look a bit better, and be much cheaper
Cheaper, yeah, but I dunno about "better". A crop sensor on a full frame lens is using the best parts of the image circle of the FF lens.
 
OK, maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought Tony's main point was that FF lenses on crop bodies don't give the sharpest results? Maybe there was a point about budget there too that I'm not remembering.


Cheaper, yeah, but I dunno about "better". A crop sensor on a full frame lens is using the best parts of the image circle of the FF lens.
Funny enough I put a crop on my FF camera and god damn it's weird. A zoom is essentially a prime and it doesn't even resolve color the same way. It's like the camera was just telling me, "take this god damn thing off me already."
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Funny enough I put a crop on my FF camera and god damn it's weird. A zoom is essentially a prime and it doesn't even resolve color the same way. It's like the camera was just telling me, "take this god damn thing off me already."

You put a DX lens on your FX camera? The huge vignetting probably was screwing up the metering and color balance.
 
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