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Ninja Gaiden 2 Black Announced | Available Today on Console, PC, and Xbox Game Pass
Larsowitz
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We need him back!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Nah. Did you see his last game?
Ceadeus
Gold Member
You never did mistakes in your life?
S0ULZB0URNE
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Overrated as Team Ninja been fine without him
So maybe just maybe NG 1 wasn't all him?
NG2 also had issues back in the day on the 360. So that be two in a row for me.
NeverYouMind
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Their lack of direction with bloated releases and somewhat gimped gameplay design has left me wanting.Overrated as Team Ninja been fine without him
So maybe just maybe NG 1 wasn't all him?
NG2 also had issues back in the day on the 360. So that be two in a row for me.
Ceadeus
Gold Member
But then without Itagaki they did NG3 and you clearly see the downgrade in quality. Like, in every aspect. So no, it wasn't all him that's for sure but still a legendary release that would have never happened without him. For many, NG and Black was a release just as meaningful and inspiring as Halo was.Overrated as Team Ninja been fine without him
So maybe just maybe NG 1 wasn't all him?
NG2 also had issues back in the day on the 360. So that be two in a row for me.
The kind of game who define a whole generation and impact the upcoming!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I don't agree and find NG2 on 360 to be pretty bad because of performance.
We got Sigma/2,NG3 R the Niohs and the upcoming NG without him.
He has done zilch without them.
Variahunter
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Of course he has done nothing without them, they happen to have the tools, team workflow that HE worked on, and BUDGET.
He has the vision, and needs the means to realize that.
That's what a great director needs. Miyazaki is one the best director out there, but without the engine, the tools, and his team and the budget, do you really think he could have come up with Elden Ring ?
Itagaki was extremely limited with his budget and the team was not the same, a good game needs a good team, budget and director.
We've seen how Hayashi burned Ninja Gaiden to the ground even if he had budget and the team, he even managed to make those great games (NG 1 & 2) worse because his vision was trash.
Ceadeus
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I love Nioh as well but reworking previous work isn't worth that much praise. The hardwork was already done! Also Sigma are inferior versions it's well known.
Having to rework their OWN game,NG3, just showed how poor it was. Also you can't just predict NG4 to be stellar yet. Jeez man i'm starting to think you like being either delusionnal or being stubborn and argue for the sake of having the last word.
S0ULZB0URNE
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S0ULZB0URNE
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FreeY$L
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Timberwolf25
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I've almost finished my NG3 RE run and other than the reused enemies from the first game, you can tell the direction suffered greatly. I'm on the final chapter, so I think I have a good grasp on what it is and it ranks last of all the NG Games.
He also brought us the excellent DOA games. Of the games, you've listed maybe Nioh would be considered as something that wasn't riding his coatails, the rest were basically inferior modded versions of the games that he directed.
His last game was a stinker, but I'd argue TN record since he left is just as bad. Maybe together, they were just a perfect storm of vision and talent. NG4 isn't even being developed by TN and instead being farmed out.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Timberwolf25
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So besides Nioh, what original TN game has actually been better than his NG games? Because the Sigma games aren't and neither is NG3 RE. NG3 was so bad, they had to release a "fixed" version less than a year later.
RedC
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To be fair, it's being developed by both Platinum Games and Team Ninja.
"The game was produced by the head of Team Ninja and co-director of Ninja Gaiden 3, Fumihiko Yasuda, and PlatinumGames' Yuji Nakao. Nakao also directed the title together with Team Ninja's Masakazu Hirayama."
Timberwolf25
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You're right and I should've been more precise. I'm a big fan of the NG games, even NG3 RE, which I have a lot of problems with, so I'm hoping NG4 turns out kick ass. There are a few things I'm a little negative on based on the trailer, but hopefully will get fleshed out.
Edit: The NG3 co-director doesn't necessarily inspire a lot of confidence for me, but I'll keep that opinion til I finish the game.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Everything since him is better than what he's done after them.
He needs them they don't need him.
kevboard
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Devil's Third is better than Ninja Gaiden 3
Variahunter
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Yeah now try to read what I wrote. It'll all make sense. Maybe.He had a vision alright.
43/100 MC
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S0ULZB0URNE
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kevboard
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Ninja Gaiden 3 is unplayable dogshit. playing that shit is like slowly getting your fingernails pulled out.
it has no redeemable qualities
Devil's Third is at least funny jank.
bender
What time is it?
Devil's Third is the GOAT.
Generic
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Apparently the multiplayer was good but very few people played it because:He had a vision alright.
43/100 MC
1) the game was a WiiU exclusive
2) the multiplayer mode wasn't released day-1 with the game
The devs of Devil's Third even made a "spiritual successor" of the mutiplayer mode for Steam.
Larsowitz
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Yep, even played it on original hardware and I agree it is not that great.
As I mentioned earlier he needs a proper studio and budget. Would be great if he could build up something similar to Kojima (who got a lot of financial support from Sony/Yoshida).
Larsowitz
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NGII is not only the goat action game it is also one of the most “complete” games ever made. Yes, it was a bit too much for the x360 to handle but it was a conscious decision to make the game that way. Zero compromise design, very JapaneseOverrated as Team Ninja been fine without him
So maybe just maybe NG 1 wasn't all him?
NG2 also had issues back in the day on the 360. So that be two in a row for me.
Thanks to MS his vision was perfected a few years later.
Larsowitz
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I disagree.
Think about DoA1-4 as well. Very polished fighting games and visually always one of the most advanced games at release.
Then the Hurricane packs for OG NG. Free DLC in 2004.
A lot of great innovation came from TN under Itagaki back then.
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Punished Miku
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Far better. Wanted Dead as well.
MazingerDUDE
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I'm still keeping my PS3 sorely to play vanilla NG3. I beat all NG games in the hardest difficulties, so I know NG. NG3 is highly enjoyable once you know how to play.
Timberwolf25
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I'm on the final boss of NG3 RE and while it is good, it's ranks behind all of the NG1, NG1B, NG2, NG2B games.
The enemy and boss designs of the games that weren't pulled from previous games are good to meh to terrible.
Who on that TN team thought it would be fun to fight mech tanks, helicopters and whatever the hell transforming mech monster would be fun. The masked red faced boss was OK.
The Alchemist minibosses that you fight 5-6 times that if you cheese right wasn't great either. The transforming prototype boss good and even though it was a pain to fight 3 of them, I thought that was the peak of the bosses in this game.
The final boss is all kinds of BS and rather than being great boss design, it's more about how much spaming minions, projectiles and giant boss hand we can throw to annoy the F out of you. And for some reason, the Steel on Bone mechanic that works throughout the game to let you recover some health, doesn't work at all in that fight...wtf
They all need to castrate whomever thought putting in so many Kunai climbing was a great idea. I'd rather they give Ryu some kind of grapple mechanic rather than to have mash LT/RT to climb some F'n wall for the 20th time. It actually would fit in with the Ninja mythos as well. Also, the prompts for whatever button you were supposed to mash in some of the QTE didn't show up on screen for me for some reason and I did die a few cheap deaths due to it.
Weird as it seems, they tried to humanize Ryu too much in this version. Part of his appeal to me, was that he was that mostly silent protagainst ala Master Chief. Humanizing more probably had to do with the whole murder grip hook, but still didn't like this chatty version of him.
It's not all bad and I did enjoy the game, but will likely not return to it once done like the previous OG versions.
The waifu portions are good and I like that you can play more levels with them once you finish the game. I'm most interest in Kasumi and a little disappointed her default costume in not more revealing
It also has some good changes to the combat system that allows you to go deep into more freestyle, except none of that works on bosses.
In the end, it's a worthy but not better addition to the series imo.
Edit: Nice to see that you get other costumes for the chapter challenges. Tropical Sailor Kasumi looks to be a winner. I'm going to take a break from this one and maybe go play NGB, OG NG2, the patched NG2B before going back in for the waifu options in NG3 RE. Not going to rush terribly since it will be a while before NG4 is out
The enemy and boss designs of the games that weren't pulled from previous games are good to meh to terrible.
Who on that TN team thought it would be fun to fight mech tanks, helicopters and whatever the hell transforming mech monster would be fun. The masked red faced boss was OK.
The Alchemist minibosses that you fight 5-6 times that if you cheese right wasn't great either. The transforming prototype boss good and even though it was a pain to fight 3 of them, I thought that was the peak of the bosses in this game.
The final boss is all kinds of BS and rather than being great boss design, it's more about how much spaming minions, projectiles and giant boss hand we can throw to annoy the F out of you. And for some reason, the Steel on Bone mechanic that works throughout the game to let you recover some health, doesn't work at all in that fight...wtf
They all need to castrate whomever thought putting in so many Kunai climbing was a great idea. I'd rather they give Ryu some kind of grapple mechanic rather than to have mash LT/RT to climb some F'n wall for the 20th time. It actually would fit in with the Ninja mythos as well. Also, the prompts for whatever button you were supposed to mash in some of the QTE didn't show up on screen for me for some reason and I did die a few cheap deaths due to it.
Weird as it seems, they tried to humanize Ryu too much in this version. Part of his appeal to me, was that he was that mostly silent protagainst ala Master Chief. Humanizing more probably had to do with the whole murder grip hook, but still didn't like this chatty version of him.
It's not all bad and I did enjoy the game, but will likely not return to it once done like the previous OG versions.
The waifu portions are good and I like that you can play more levels with them once you finish the game. I'm most interest in Kasumi and a little disappointed her default costume in not more revealing
It also has some good changes to the combat system that allows you to go deep into more freestyle, except none of that works on bosses.
In the end, it's a worthy but not better addition to the series imo.
Edit: Nice to see that you get other costumes for the chapter challenges. Tropical Sailor Kasumi looks to be a winner. I'm going to take a break from this one and maybe go play NGB, OG NG2, the patched NG2B before going back in for the waifu options in NG3 RE. Not going to rush terribly since it will be a while before NG4 is out
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That's a bullshit lie.
S0ULZB0URNE
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NGII is not only the goat action game it is also one of the most “complete” games ever made. Yes, it was a bit too much for the x360 to handle but it was a conscious decision to make the game that way. Zero compromise design, very Japanese
Thanks to MS his vision was perfected a few years later.
Exactly he needs help...the turd he made without help and the great games they made without him shows this.
Nope
tomato shrub
Member
He already came back... for a NFT scam. Better put your hope into someone else.
Also Nioh 2 slaps and easily stands as one of Team Ninja's best.
MazingerDUDE
Member
comparing Ninja Gaiden to Nioh is like comparing apples to oranges. they're entirely different game, where Nioh's got many substitutes where Ninja Gaiden is one of a kind. There's just nothing like it.
Ceadeus
Gold Member
I love Nioh 2 too : 3
Never heard of the NFT thing before. That's too bad really!
Timberwolf25
Member
Playing thru NGB right now. It takes a little getting used to coming from NG2 Black and NG3 RE mostly due to the camera and resetting the view on RT which the dumbass controller options don't tell you.
Remembering to recenter the camera is essential for NGB.
After playing through the other games, I feel like it shouldn't be too bad this time around, but I'm early on still. I remember the game really ramping the difficulty later, so I'm prepping my mindset for that....lol
It still looks great considering it came out on the OG Xbox. I wouldn't mind if TN were to do a similar treatment to NG2B putting on a fresh set of paint on top of the game, but only if they don't touch anything else with the exception of some QoL stuff. For instance, making it so you when decide to use the Rebirth Talisman ala NG2B. It's something I'd rather save for when I really need it.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Timberwolf25
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Playing thru NGB again and it's a bit of a nailbiter with save points so far between each other. Because if you die with no rebirths, you'll be facing all that pain again.
In addition, save points don't replesnish life either and since there is no red life bar, that doesn't get refilled after each battle encounter.
So the only way to restore life is via elixirs or life of the god items. And also, the secret Silver Xbox console, if you are on that level.
The result is that each battle, even against low tier enemies becomes a must avoid getting hit at all costs situation. And god help you if get grabbed, because you can wiggle that left thumbstick all you want, but you are eating all of that damage as well.
It brings back some great and painful memories of why it was so good. It's the action souls games before the souls games became a thing, but also harder because there is no campfire to recover shit with.
Ninja exploding suriken bastards are all kinds of cancer, but I'm loving and hating them too. I'm only in the city after the hidenberg balloon so far, so I know the tears will be flowing soon.
Can't wait.
In addition, save points don't replesnish life either and since there is no red life bar, that doesn't get refilled after each battle encounter.
So the only way to restore life is via elixirs or life of the god items. And also, the secret Silver Xbox console, if you are on that level.
The result is that each battle, even against low tier enemies becomes a must avoid getting hit at all costs situation. And god help you if get grabbed, because you can wiggle that left thumbstick all you want, but you are eating all of that damage as well.
It brings back some great and painful memories of why it was so good. It's the action souls games before the souls games became a thing, but also harder because there is no campfire to recover shit with.
Ninja exploding suriken bastards are all kinds of cancer, but I'm loving and hating them too. I'm only in the city after the hidenberg balloon so far, so I know the tears will be flowing soon.
Can't wait.
MMaRsu
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We posting pictures of oily cheetos? I thought I'd join in the fun.
Going to grab GP soon and try out Black 2. I think it's the closest thing to a modern NG that we'll get, the 4th version looks a bit too Reveangency for my liking.
Lol when I scrolled it looked real weird
DKPOWPOW
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Is anyone else having a problem with this game on the Series X?
My nephew has been playing it and every time he beats the game, 2 minutes into the cut-scenes we get a keep your console cool warning. Then the game crashes. Can't get the trophy for beating the game. We have never seen this before, didn't happen thru the whole game. Or any other games.
My nephew has been playing it and every time he beats the game, 2 minutes into the cut-scenes we get a keep your console cool warning. Then the game crashes. Can't get the trophy for beating the game. We have never seen this before, didn't happen thru the whole game. Or any other games.
Timberwolf25
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I'm on Series X and had no problems at all.
Try to uninstall and reinstall. Shouldn't effect your saved files since it is cloud stored.
HYDE
Member
Ghost fish are so fucking easy, leap once and use the nunchucks or vigoorian flails mid-air and it obliterates them quickly. The attacks chain from one to the next
Timberwolf25
Member
I agree. It was a good measuring stick and goal.
I'm replaying NGB and it's so satisfying to get a Master Ninja at the end of a chapter. Got 1 Head Ninja and a couple of Greater Ninjas as well.
No Ninja Dogs yet to hang my head in shame
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