DeepEnigma
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Oh there's a gap between them alright. A 5:1 gap in consoles sold in 2024.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
I may have been mildly intoxicated when I made the table.
Apparently only exclusive games generate revenue and contribute to profits.
Sooner
Gold Member
I'm for ALL publishers putting out great PS5 games.
There aren't many from MS that I'd personally call "great", but I can appreciate the effort.
When we all play(station), we all win.
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Radical_3d
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I’m pretty sure that if two years ago somebody had told you these exact words you’d have started a 3 page discussion with him.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It is weird that there are so many articles and interviews just before MS's financial report. Are they trying to do preventive damage control or are the numbers going to be too good to be true?
DenchDeckard
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whats sony got releasing in 2025 and what are the release dates?
What's Xbox releasing and what's the release dates so far?
You are probably 100% right. The world changes and people evolve. Hopefully I'm growing for the better.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Most of these are just TBD 2025
Sony
Death Stranding 2
Ghost of Yotei
MS
Avowed
SoM
Doom
NG4
Fable
DenchDeckard
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Now share the release dates.
The list you've shown looks like a complete flip for MS output vs sonys over the last 10 to 15 years.
I mean just in qty
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Cyberpunkd
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RetroGamingUK
Member
Why compare a first party publisher to a third party publisher?
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DenchDeckard
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SO basically, to release good quality games in a steady clip. You need to release your games on all platforms. It's good to see you agree with Xbox's strategy. Or, you can enjoy your one first publisher game a year.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Meh, quality over quantity for me.
I’d take 1 AstroBot (Metacritic 94%) over several of Microsoft’s 75% games.
DenchDeckard
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What about sub 90 games like Ghost Of Tsushima and Horizon?
Astro Bot is a brilliant game, I agree
Looking forward to seeing how reviews land this year for all of these games.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
What about sub 90 games like Ghost Of Tsushima and Horizon?
Astro Bot is a brilliant game, I agree
Looking forward to seeing how reviews land this year for all of these games.
I tend to buy about 6 to 8 new games a year.
Sometimes games like Horizon don’t make the cut (which it didn’t).
DenchDeckard
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So you agree that Sony's key franchise output has been lacking as you haven't been interested to buy. I just want good games, I always own every platform and I prefer to play on an Xbox and its controller. So, with Sony releasing one first party game a year with them ultimately coming to PC for me the platform is the least appealing it has been.
Just how there are many that only own a PS5 and see no reason to buy an Xbox due to the games launching on all platforms.
This is my personal opinion and it is fine to differ from yours. It doesn't make it wrong, mine right, or yours wrong. There are less Xbox players who prefer the controller and eco system and that's fine. I just don't understand the mocking of Xbox's games when everyone knows that games cost a fortune and the Xbox eco system can not sustain them. It's not just gamepass, its the install base isn't big enough. Playstations userbase allows MS to release this many games a year and It hopefully make enough money to keep these studios open, which many publishers are suffering with this generation. I personally would prefer Sony did the same if it meant more games from Sony studios per gen.
RetroGamingUK
Member
No, that’s one example of a Sony game I didn’t buy.
The first party games I have bought for PS5 so far are…
AstroBot
God of War Ragnarok
Demons Souls
Ghost of Tsushima Directors Cut
Gran Turismo 7
Last of Us Part 1
You know how many games Microsoft have published over this generation I have or would have bought?
Nothing
I’ve got my eye on Doom Dark Ages, but that game would have come to PlayStation and in the same form regardless of Microsoft owning the studio.
I wonder how long it’ll take for Microsoft to ruin id like most of their other studios.
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DenchDeckard
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I'm glad you enjoy their games and are clearly open minded to play good games on any platform. For someone called retro gamer I would imagine you would play a lot of games across multiple platforms. Anyway, I hope Xbox releases some games that catch your attention and you enjoy them.
ALL Xbox games are releasing day 1 on PC and you can use an xbox controller on a PC yet PS5 is the one that's redundant?
Ok if you think that way, but most people disagree with you.
If you "just want good games" there are plenty of those regardless of publisher. SIE have also released 2 GOTYs last year too so even that dumb criteria doesn't work.
RetroGamingUK
Member
In the early to mid 00s I bought every console going, there was real FOMO not owning an Xbox back then. Xbox One and Xbox Series though, no FOMO whatsoever.
Back to Microsoft upcoming games, I’m skeptical
The studios that Microsoft have acquired are ones that have shown a severe decline in terms of output over the last decade (Bethesda in particularly).
Doom is the only bright spot really, Ninja Gaiden 4 could be good too, we’ll see).
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Roberts
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The more time passes, the more I support the idea of Microsoft going multiplatform. More income from game sales means more games can be made, and personally, I think they create some of the best games at the moment. A lot of their work is weird, personal, and innovative. It doesn't feel like their projects have been closely monitored by committees and tested by never-ending focus groups to make safe, boring shit that appeals to everyone. And yes, this year looks pretty good.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is long gone. The Xbox and PS2 had so many different games that there was a point in buying both systems. And GC offered a whole other library on top of these. Switch is now the outlier. This is why PS5 is eating Xbox share for lunch and Switch could continue unopposed for years.
As for the studios, they were already in decline before MS bought them. CoD wasn't in a great spot bar Warzone which would always stay multiplatform. TES, Fallout and Blizzard games weren't doing that well either. Starfield was already in development during this time and released as a dud, that game would always end up as it was.
RetroGamingUK
Member
When Microsoft bought these studios there was so much boasting about the pedigree of IPs and the history of great games they’d acquired.
People seemed to totally ignore the declining standards of their output.
The hype for Elder Scrolls 6 has nosedived after Fallout 76 and Starfield.
Microsoft paid way over the odds and now they’re lumbered with talentless studios.
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DenchDeckard
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I use play anywhere on my xbox, PC and ROG ally. thats what keeps me buying Xbox's but unless the next gen console is incredible, it will be my last xbox I purchase. I am in the process of building a small form factor PC for my front room, so there is a high chance I never buy a none Nintendo console again. There's just no point from either MS or Sony.
Sony, doesn't release enough first party IP for it to make sense to own the console anymore imo and I am more than happy to wait a year for games like Spider Man 2 and Ghost of Yotei etc. Sony's messaging has been pretty poor over the last few years as well, imo. I'm also not a massive fan of their DEI output. Horizon, etc.
Cyberpunkd
Member
There is that special kind of grifters that use complicated language and try to give themselves a cachet of professionalism only to hide which is in the end delusional fanboy mentality. Those people will spin all the can that Microsoft going 3rd party after trying to beat Sony with exclusives over 20 years is somehow a "win" and part of that 4D chess masterplan.
Tom Warren is that type of grifter.
Tom Warren is that type of grifter.
Aaron Olive
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Chiggs
Gold Member
Hype is a fickle thing.
They launch a trailer for Elder Scrolls VI and the hype shoots through the roof.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Bad take on GAF. You must pick a corporate side without owning any shares in either company. God forbid you just want to see quality, non-woke output in the industry.
TheGodfather07
Member
Then sonic showed up on the competitors platform, just like halo is about to. Seeing halo and forza on the PlayStation store is going to be so weird.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Sega never stopped making GREAT games though.
Microsoft have had over a decade without releasing anything of note.
TheGodfather07
Member
But they are now... after buying up half the western studios! What a great accomplishment. So much hard work from Microsoft creating and building those franchises... oh wait, they didn't do any of that. They threw money at it and still failed! And xbox fans wonder why people seem to rejoice at their failure. They want Microsoft to be given praise for something they didn't earn. Only thing they've earned is failure. The chickens have come home to roost.
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RetroGamingUK
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Most of the development studios they bought are way past their best.
They got a lot of classic IP, but the games those developers have put out over the last 5 years are so are a far cry from what they became known for.
Just about the only good thing left about Bethesda is id
They literally just had a show where they showed off more of their first party lineup for 2025.
They never had a model designed around keeping COD exclusive.
‘half of western studios’ is mindless hyperbole, and paying money to acquire first party content is hardly unique to MS. It’s irrelevant if they created the franchises.
It’s no mystery why some people are rejoicing at MS hardware failure. Nothing more than plain old platform warring.
Hardware wise, they’re doing terrible. But they’re certainly on course to have a great year when it comes to software. Somehow, that pisses some people off even when most of that software will be multiplatform.
Not for that one you're holding, Jimothy.
The same voters who chose Halo Craig Infinite as GOTY?
