Nintendo Switch 2 Preorders Delayed (US) Due To Tariffs, Release Date Still June 5

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A greedy company lol.
Nintendo has always been greedy.

Look at the current lawsuits against Palworld and the recent attacks on emulation.

Hell, you can even go back to the "Nintendo seal of quality" on NES games if you want.

All motivated by greed.

I don't know why Nintendo tends to get a free pass when they are just as anti-consumer, it not moreso than every other gaming company.
 
There's no reason there won't be a price increase with Sony and MS too right, although at the tariff rate for China?
 
As a German, I envy you for your president. Donald Trump is a great guy!
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Everything will be fine! They will 100% make a Deal.
 
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I know every company wants to maximize profits but bullshit like Charging for a tech demo/interactive guide or charging much more money than the competition.
Leaving out the tech demo price, we're talking about price of hardware here. I guarantee they have slim margin on hardware out of the gate on a system. Eating high tariffs means losing a lot of money per system. They're better to just never release the switch 2 and move on.
 
Short term you are correct. Long term it will bring more jobs for Americans and my grand kids will have a better chance of getting a job. Too much American business has been outsourced because it's cheaper and ends up fucking over Americans. When companies find it more lucrative to move here it will benefit Americans. You only see tomorrow, not next year.

There won't be any jobs by the time Your grand child's are on the way.
 
The US government has been run like shit with tons of Waste, Fraud, Abuse, etc. Elon is saving them from the robbers but they are mad at Elon. It's just horeshit. Most are just indoctrinated into their said party.,
I believe that the government has waste and fraud. And it should be fixed and be transparent.
I also believe Elon is a moron grifter who is also committing fraud and speaks nothing but shit.
 
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Leaving out the tech demo price, we're talking about price of hardware here. I guarantee they have slim margin on hardware out of the gate on a system. Eating high tariffs means losing a lot of money per system. They're better to just never release the switch 2 and move on.
Or release the system at a slight loss and make up the difference on game sales, which has been done in the past by other manufacturers.
 
I get asked this a lot. Any Canadian who doesn't understand why I'd care about American policy is in a bubble. I especially get asked this in Toronto.

We are a giant country sitting on vast wealth and resources. We sell to Americans. We don't bother with national defence at scale.

Justin Trudeau admitted to Trump at Mara-logo we couldn't exist as a nation without the status quo. The genesis of the 51st state talk. Who do you think is really implementing policy that determines my mortgage rate? The Canadians? That's a joke.

TBH that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, but I get that you feel strongly about this issue for personal reasons. What do you think about my contention that we actually did try this before and that it's not currently being done in a sensible manner?
 
Factories today are not like factories in the 19th and early 20th century. They are heavily automated and require at least some specialized technical skills. I know a ton of people who lost solid manufacturing jobs when a Sony TV plant closed down, they were all smart people and loved that job.

Edit: They also offer upward mobility for people without 4 year degrees. With no degree you can start out as a normal assembler and then move up to a higher tier job like test technician or supervisor. Then if you get a proper engineering or business degree you can move into management. These are infinitely better than service jobs where you are treated like shit until you have to quit and move onto the next service job. Bringing back manufacturing in the US is a HUGE win, with hugely positive national security considerations. I just don't know if what Trump is doing is a good way of doing it, but I do know that the end goal is very much appealing.

But even then if what you're saying is true, the fact I made a comment you have to reply to in the first place says a lot. People aren't going to want to work in factories especially considering the current reputation they have in the US.

Either way if we're gonna have more expensive goods as a result of factory work in a time where essentials like housing and groceries are extremely expensive already- I don't think the supposed benefits of adding back factory jobs into the US will offset that.
I think worker wages are far more important of a problem to fix than manufacturing in the US.
 
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Pirating games is old news. Smuggling consoles is the new hotness.
Waiting to read the news of first person caught with a Switch 2 in a butt crack.

edit-I think I would rather pay the extra money than play with the knowledge that the screen had been between 2 cheeks.
 
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But thanks to the EU you can import it from neighboring countries like Germany without any hassle, its quite a bit cheaper there.
Its not crazy difference, just checked, console is 800€ new, discdrive 130€ so 930€ aka 1019usd so 32 usd cheaper vs polish price, not worth importing obviously, and that wont make polish salaries bigger ;)
Here proof:
discdrive 130 euro
and ps5pr0 at 800 euro
 
There's no reason there won't be a price increase with Sony and MS too right, although at the tariff rate for China?
MS can have some hope of being given exemptions for certain products like Apple were during the first Trump administration.
 
My guy put a map where Czechoslovakia was still a country and Germany was split in east / west :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Was double checking to see if I could spot the Prussian and Mongol empires, maybe Roman too :messenger_grinning_squinting:
Bruh, it's a map of everywhere communism has taken place in the past and currently.

The point was the North American region aren't the ones who have issues with communists. In the past or currently.

Which is true.
 
I believe that the government has waste and fraud. And it should be fixed and be transparent.
I also believe Elon is a moron grifter who is also committing fraud and speaks nothing but shit.
A guy who is actually a self made Billionaire and the riches man in the work, A man who legit has built Rocket companies and doing what Nasa could not, A man who leads multiple multi billion dollar business? IS an idiot?

Stay off the bullshit MSNB, CNN, NBC, ETC. They all say the same shit and openly hate Elon and Trump. They are made because Elon is finding the dirt they are hiding.
 
You can't have a 50% tariff and eat all of it. Its gonna be like ps3 was for Sony thr first few years.
Yeah, even if we pretend this thing costs say $350 USD to manufacture and get to retail, that's a $70 loss on every unit. You're not making that up very quickly. And it probably is more than $350 if we're being real.
 
Social media has conditioned people to choose team sports politics above all else. Including their own best interests and logic. I'm reading commentators and fellow politicians over the past 24 hours being like "Yeah, prices could go up and it could impact us financially and economically, but just trust him." Basically you have people foregoing logic, reason, and values in the name of some arbitrary loyalty. It's so bizarre. I'll never get it. And everyday people who do it and who've never met the guy. Being so loyal to a dude you've never met in your life and who doesn't give a shit about you. Not just Donny, put him aside for a second. Doing that for any politician is just fucking weird. You see rallies and you have people there who have their faces painted and they're carrying signs and they're cheering like it's your own child playing college football. It's so crazy how much time, passion, and loyalty everyday people dedicate to a bunch of middle aged to elderly folks who couldn't give two shits about you, and that you've never met and will never meet in your life.
We live in some kind of parallel Earth time line. Not to go conspiracy theorist, but it feels like an unseen force, is pushing us into a major conflict.
 
Social media has conditioned people to choose team sports politics above all else. Including their own best interests and logic. I'm reading commentators and fellow politicians over the past 24 hours being like "Yeah, prices could go up and it could impact us financially and economically, but just trust him." Basically you have people foregoing logic, reason, and values in the name of some arbitrary loyalty. It's so bizarre. I'll never get it. And everyday people who do it and who've never met the guy. Being so loyal to a dude you've never met in your life and who doesn't give a shit about you. Not just Donny, put him aside for a second. Doing that for any politician is just fucking weird. You see rallies and you have people there who have their faces painted and they're carrying signs and they're cheering like it's your own child playing college football. It's so crazy how much time, passion, and loyalty everyday people dedicate to a bunch of middle aged to elderly folks who couldn't give two shits about you, and that you've never met and will never meet in your life.
And you can even read it here, it's fucking crazy honestly
 
A guy who is actually a self made Billionaire and the riches man in the work, A man who legit has built Rocket companies and doing what Nasa could not, A man who leads multiple multi billion dollar business? IS an idiot?
It's unreal they actual think this.

Watch the list of reasonings that will come to why it's all just luck or other people.
 
Yeah, even if we pretend this thing costs say $350 USD to manufacture and get to retail, that's a $70 loss on every unit. You're not making that up very quickly. And it probably is more than $350 if we're being real.
Don't forget that they are willing to sell the hardware in Japan for $399, given that, $350 USD to manufacture is probably pretty accurate.
 
Some things we have to talk about here:

- Nintendo completely fucked up when they made the base price this high. If they made it lower then they would have been able to raise the price up a bit more when the tariffs hit, like if you started from 350 and the tariffs hit you for an additional 200, you could have made it 600 instead of 550 with no one's the wiser and preserved your image with fans. They knew this was coming for ages now and did nothing for optics.

- Nintendo doubly fucked up by not launching sooner. They had the machine ready for ages, to the point where even Chinese factories had tons of screen protectors and Switch 2 covers lying around Shenzhen for days. If they launched sooner they might have sold a few units and got some money flowing in before the tariffs, now they have to do the entire launch in the worst possible circumstances.
 
TBH that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, but I get that you feel strongly about this issue for personal reasons. What do you think about my contention that we actually did try this before and that it's not currently being done in a sensible manner?
I think it's reasonable but I'd just repeat as in my original post that it hasn't been tried under these circumstances or scale.

I'm looking around the world at the United States suppliers and seeing beautiful new state of the art cities. Those who supply us oil, manufactured goods. All of them tariff the United States and rely on them as a customer. Realizing that Detroit was incredible when the US supplied and didn't shift. Look at American cities now?

I want American prosperity back because as a border town Canadian growing up I love the United States. Deeply. And I understand that American prosperity ALWAYS has translated to Canadian prosperity in short order without exception.

Many in here talk about how Americans no longer want to work. Maybe that's a result of a problem and not the cause of one.
 
American consumers will be the ones paying the price, not Nintendo or Trump. Nintendo (or any other company for that matter) will not be facing hardship, any tariff costs will be passed on.
This is something that can't be quantified. I live in the UK in an area that has lost so much. A Panasonic TV Plant, a massive chemical refinery and soon to be one of the largest steel works in Europe. This has all happened without imposing tariffs. Germany is currently at 0% growth, France and the UK just slightly above 0%. What has been the cost of deindustrialisation to the American consumer? Like Europe real wages have barely grown since the 1970s. At least 100,000 jobs in the UK have gone through the loss of steel production as a result of cheap Chinese steel. Of course, if we put tariffs on China it would increase costs but not having tariffs has lead to huge job losses, so its not as simple when calculating costs to consumer. Somebody who lost their job is a consumer.
 
Some things we have to talk about here:

- Nintendo completely fucked up when they made the base price this high. If they made it lower then they would have been able to raise the price up a bit more when the tariffs hit, like if you started from 350 and the tariffs hit you for an additional 200, you could have made it 600 instead of 550 with no one's the wiser and preserved your image with fans. They knew this was coming for ages now and did nothing for optics.

- Nintendo doubly fucked up by not launching sooner. They had the machine ready for ages, to the point where even Chinese factories had tons of screen protectors and Switch 2 covers lying around Shenzhen for days. If they launched sooner they might have sold a few units and got some money flowing in before the tariffs, now they have to do the entire launch in the worst possible circumstances.

The initial pricing was already impacted by tariffs.
 
Some things we have to talk about here:

- Nintendo completely fucked up when they made the base price this high. If they made it lower then they would have been able to raise the price up a bit more when the tariffs hit, like if you started from 350 and the tariffs hit you for an additional 200, you could have made it 600 instead of 550 with no one's the wiser and preserved your image with fans. They knew this was coming for ages now and did nothing for optics.

- Nintendo doubly fucked up by not launching sooner. They had the machine ready for ages, to the point where even Chinese factories had tons of screen protectors and Switch 2 covers lying around Shenzhen for days. If they launched sooner they might have sold a few units and got some money flowing in before the tariffs, now they have to do the entire launch in the worst possible circumstances.
They also fucked up by annoucing a price and pre-order date less than 24 hours before they knew tariffs were going to hit.

A lot of the current drama could have been avoided by either launching sooner like you said, or by just waiting a few days to announce everything.

That said, given the slim launch line-up I'm not sure how much sooner they could have launched. Games-wise it seems like they are pushing it as is.

EDIT: They should have pulled a Sega and shadow dropped the console for sale immediately after the presentation on Wednesday.
 
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Or you know, US could make deals for factories and get that going and have its cake and eat it too instead of starting a trade war, tanking the economy and forcing everyone into misery for 5 to 10 years minimum.
The question is are these tariffs permanent or is he willing to renegotiate them. He said today he's open to it.

So you're Nintendo do you build a new factory and then find out he removed the tariffs after a renegotiation? Or seeing that it takes 4 to 5 years to build, do you just wait for his term to end?
 
I think it's reasonable but I'd just repeat as in my original post that it hasn't been tried under these circumstances or scale.

I'm looking around the world at the United States suppliers and seeing beautiful new state of the art cities. Those who supply us oil, manufactured goods. All of them tariff the United States and rely on them as a customer. Realizing that Detroit was incredible when the US supplied and didn't shift. Look at American cities now?

I want American prosperity back because as a border town Canadian growing up I love the United States. Deeply. And I understand that American prosperity ALWAYS has translated to Canadian prosperity in short order without exception.

Many in here talk about how Americans no longer want to work. Maybe that's a result of a problem and not the cause of one.
Detroit was built in the post-WW2 era where the United States was the only major power to survive relatively unscathed along with a massive manufacturing base from the war effort.

Detroit auto manufacturing declined with a combination of complacency, competition from an eventually rebuilt Japan and Europe, high labor costs due to unionization, etc.
 
The initial pricing was already impacted by tariffs.
Fuck no lol.

If so then why are they delaying preorders in the US? The tariff %s are known now.

They also fucked up by annoucing a price and pre-order date less than 24 hours before they knew tariffs were going to hit.

A lot of the current drama could have been avoided by either launching sooner like you said, or by just waiting a few days to announce everything.

That said, given the slim launch line-up I'm not sure how much sooner they could have launched. Games-wise it seems like they are pushing it as is.
I think as long as they had their launch price and messaging right, they had a slam-dunk launch no matter what they launch with.

Now they lost control of both and this launch became a toss-up. Ironically enough, I think Xbox are the biggest winners of this, they are the furthest along in their handheld hw development and have the best shot to make waves.. They just won't take it because they have idiots at the top as per usual.
 
A guy who is actually a self made Billionaire and the riches man in the work,
his dad owned an emerald mine in south africa. He made none of the innovations he claimed to have made and none of anything he's had a hand in has improved or revolutionized society for the better. he's a con man and he's successfully got you to drink the koolaid.

The only reason he's as rich as he is- is that he's good at investing.
 
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I think it's reasonable but I'd just repeat as in my original post that it hasn't been tried under these circumstances or scale.

I'm looking around the world at the United States suppliers and seeing beautiful new state of the art cities. Those who supply us oil, manufactured goods. All of them tariff the United States and rely on them as a customer. Realizing that Detroit was incredible when the US supplied and didn't shift. Look at American cities now?

I want American prosperity back because as a border town Canadian growing up I love the United States. Deeply. And I understand that American prosperity ALWAYS has translated to Canadian prosperity in short order without exception.

Many in here talk about how Americans no longer want to work. Maybe that's a result of a problem and not the cause of one.

According to this alot of jobs in detroit relocated inside of the United states not all of them sure but still.

The short answer: **more jobs were lost to other parts of the U.S.** than to other countries — but **both played major roles** over different time periods.

Here's the breakdown:

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### **1. Jobs Lost to Other Parts of the U.S.**
This was the *initial* and **larger chunk of job losses**, especially from the 1950s–1990s.

- **Southern States (Sun Belt):**
Automakers moved plants to states like **Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, and Texas**.
- Lower wages
- Non-union labor (right-to-work laws)
- Cheaper land, fewer regulations

- **Suburban Sprawl:**
Many companies also moved just **outside Detroit** to the suburbs where taxes were lower and land was more available.

- **Impact:**
This migration gutted Detroit's tax base and contributed to urban decay while the companies stayed profitable.

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### **2. Jobs Lost to Other Countries**
This wave hit harder in the **1990s–2000s**, especially with **NAFTA (1994)** and globalization.

- **Key countries:**
- **Mexico:** Huge shift in auto manufacturing post-NAFTA.
- **China:** For electronics, parts, and general manufacturing.
- **Canada:** Some plants moved here due to favorable trade and labor costs.

- **Why the shift?**
- Lower wages
- Fewer environmental/labor regulations
- Tariff-free exports back to the U.S. under trade deals

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### **So, which was bigger overall?**
- In **raw job numbers**, **domestic relocation (to other U.S. states)** likely caused **more job loss in Detroit**.
- But **offshoring** had a **longer-term impact** on wages, benefits, and the sustainability of manufacturing careers.
 
This is something that can't be quantified. I live in the UK in an area that has lost so much. A Panasonic TV Plant, a massive chemical refinery and soon to be one of the largest steel works in Europe. This has all happened without imposing tariffs. Germany is currently at 0% growth, France and the UK just slightly above 0%. What has been the cost of deindustrialisation to the American consumer? Like Europe real wages have barely grown since the 1970s. At least 100,000 jobs in the UK have gone through the loss of steel production as a result of cheap Chinese steel. Of course, if we put tariffs on China it would increase costs but not having tariffs has lead to huge job losses, so its not as simple when calculating costs to consumer. Somebody who lost their job is a consumer.
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I cannot believe the number of doofuses here drinking the kool aide on tariffs. Do you think we are going to start manufacturing iphones a mass producing t-shirts here? Are you insane? Do you know how much that will drive up the cost of goods (which lowers your purchasing power)? This is madness.
 
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Short term you are correct. Long term it will bring more jobs for Americans and my grand kids will have a better chance of getting a job. Too much American business has been outsourced because it's cheaper and ends up fucking over Americans. When companies find it more lucrative to move here it will benefit Americans. You only see tomorrow, not next year.
Manufacturing isn't coming back. Ai and robotics will make sure of that
 
A guy who is actually a self made Billionaire and the riches man in the work, A man who legit has built Rocket companies and doing what Nasa could not, A man who leads multiple multi billion dollar business? IS an idiot?

Stay off the bullshit MSNB, CNN, NBC, ETC. They all say the same shit and openly hate Elon and Trump. They are made because Elon is finding the dirt they are hiding.
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