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[Alebrije]

The initial pricing was already impacted by tariffs.

Nobody knew about the amount of tariffs , And Even on their worse nightmares Nintendo did not expected what happened otherwise they would have moved S2 release to November and pre orders to September.

 

[Simms]

Short term you are correct. Long term it will bring more jobs for Americans and my grand kids will have a better chance of getting a job. Too much American business has been outsourced because it's cheaper and ends up fucking over Americans. When companies find it more lucrative to move here it will benefit Americans. You only see tomorrow, not next year.

There won't be any jobs by the time Your grand child's are on the way.

Fabieter beat me to it. What makes you think companies are going to move business to US if policies can be changed on a whim. All this instability is not doing the US any favours. Companies are going to scale back if they cannot plan due to instabilies, not to mention AI and robots doing the donkey work in factories in the near future, not to mention it will cost al lot more to produce in the US due to higher wages. Theres no win here. Trump is not the businessman everyone thinks he is, he's had multiple bankruptcies and his time on the Appentrince saved him.

 

[Guilty_AI]

depending on how this develops, prices may not increase after all.

 

[JCK75]

I'm glad I have more time.. the preorder date was set for a day before my birthday.. I have more money for it after that day.

 

[XXL]

They're all folding. Lol.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

 

[ReyBrujo]

Talk about Nintendo playing capitalism

 

[Gamer79]

Looks like you listening to your Liberal news lead

 

[poppabk]

A guy who is actually a self made Billionaire and the riches man in the work, A man who legit has built Rocket companies and doing what Nasa could not, A man who leads multiple multi billion dollar business? IS an idiot?

Stay off the bullshit MSNB, CNN, NBC, ETC. They all say the same shit and openly hate Elon and Trump. They are made because Elon is finding the dirt they are hiding.

 

[Gamer79]

Fabieter beat me to it. What makes you think companies are going to move business to US if policies can be changed on a whim. All this instability is not doing the US any favours. Companies are going to scale back if they cannot plan due to instabilies, not to mention AI and robots doing the donkey work in factories in the near future, not to mention it will cost al lot more to produce in the US due to higher wages. Theres no win here. Trump is not the businessman everyone thinks he is, he's had multiple bankruptcies and his time on the Appentrince saved him.

So I should listen to you and how Joe Biden and the democrats ran the country over the last 4 years. They are responsible for super high inflation and the current job market. Of course you will deflect and in your tiny squirrel mind all you will see is Orange Man Bad!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

That was the date communicated to retailers.

So we don't have Nintendo saying it publicly?

 

[Ristifer]

Looks like you listening to your Liberal news lead

Has nothing to do with politics. If you think Musk is some self-made kid that built it all, then it's just wrong, and you need to do more research. Take the conservative/liberal labels out and dive a bit deeper.

 

[bender]

Nobody knew about the amount of tariffs , And Even on their worse nightmares Nintendo did not expected what happened otherwise they would move S2 release to November and pre orders to September.

We've seen price and strategy adjustments in the industry for months along with a lot of uncertainty about what is next. Part of the strategy was to manufacture outside of China for products being shipped/sold into the US, but the latest announced tariffs may have mucked up that end around is most likely why Nintendo made this delay announcement.

So we don't have Nintendo saying it publicly?

I'm not exactly sure but we do know retailers were planning on launching pre-orders on the 9th and then today's announcements from Nintendo so it's safe to assume that was the plan.

 

[Poppinfresh]

So we don't have Nintendo saying it publicly?

I'm confused by this too, because pre-orders started in Europe yesterday.

I'm assuming that Nintendo of America set the pre-order date for the US because otherwise, why wouldn't US retailers have offered pre-orders at the same time as Europe?

 

[DenchDeckard]

We were all worried about politics affecting our hobby and now politics is potentially REALLY going to affect our hobby.

 

[near]

So what is the solution for Nintendo? I can only think of a price increase for the US.

 

[Fabieter]

Fabieter beat me to it. What makes you think companies are going to move business to US if policies can be changed on a whim. All this instability is not doing the US any favours. Companies are going to scale back if they cannot plan due to instabilies, not to mention AI and robots doing the donkey work in factories in the near future, not to mention it will cost al lot more to produce in the US due to higher wages. Theres no win here. Trump is not the businessman everyone thinks he is, he's had multiple bankruptcies and his time on the Appentrince saved him.

Especially since most of the tariffs that's opposed on the us is from the farm products which are heavily subsidised. Drop it and more countries will buy the stuff.

 

[rsnl]

I dont understand why people think Trump found a cheat code to the world economy, when he couldnt even run a casino

 

[Klayzer]

Looks like you listening to your Liberal news lead

Says by the guy that's parokeeting conservative hopium.

 

[wolffy66]

Fabieter beat me to it. What makes you think companies are going to move business to US if policies can be changed on a whim. All this instability is not doing the US any favours. Companies are going to scale back if they cannot plan due to instabilies, not to mention AI and robots doing the donkey work in factories in the near future, not to mention it will cost al lot more to produce in the US due to higher wages. Theres no win here. Trump is not the businessman everyone thinks he is, he's had multiple bankruptcies and his time on the Appentrince saved him.

Have you seen these "dark" factories in china that function with virtually all robots? To the point they don't really even lights in the building.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

So what is the solution for Nintendo? I can only think of a price increase for the US.

GL with that Nintendo.

 

[bender]

So what is the solution for Nintendo? I can only think of a price increase for the US.

Wait and see how the newly announced tariffs shake out for countries they manufacture in. No reason to jump the gun and announce a pricing change until it is absolutely necessary.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

It has a high price in all regions, so that wouldn't make sense.

While true, it doesn't matter. Excuses don't always have to make sense in order for people to accept them - especially when they don't like someone.

 

[near]

GL with that Nintendo.

They're very capable of doing that, given the circumstances and the fact they love your money. Question is, are they willing to sacrifice sales?

 

[Fabieter]

So I should listen to you and how Joe Biden and the democrats ran the country over the last 4 years. They are responsible for super high inflation and the current job market. Of course you will deflect and in your tiny squirrel mind all you will see is Orange Man Bad!

Some decisions take month or years to show the real effect so its definitely both sides responsible for current situation.

 

[PeteBull]

Its all good, my ninny bros, at least we getting gta6 on switch2, thats the reason my ninnybros told me we didnt get 2nd gta6 trailer yet, after all. Oh wait...

LuciaNintendo, do you know why are u here?
Bad luck, i guess

 

[wolffy66]

depending on how this develops, prices may not increase after all.

This is wild because the average Cambodian is too poor to pay for much of anything america produces

 

[VAVA Mk2]

LOL who didn't see this happening?

 

[Astray]

There have been more than one round of tariffs that have impacted all OEMs, but please continue to be clueless.

Except I saw the $450 pricing coming a mile away when everyone predicted $400 max. I'm actually one of the few that recognized Nintendo for what they are.

Keep calling people clueless when you're the one getting willingly fleeced so Miyamoto-san can buy a new rolls royce.

 

[Simms]

So I should listen to you and how Joe Biden and the democrats ran the country over the last 4 years. They are responsible for super high inflation and the current job market. Of course you will deflect and in your tiny squirrel mind all you will see is Orange Man Bad!

It's clear you've drunk the Trump/Musk Kool-Aid. Hope you are in good economic shape my friend, its not just the Switch 2 that about to get real expensive for Americans. How's your 401K looking right now

 

[Hari Seldon]

But even then if what you're saying is true, the fact I made a comment you have to reply to in the first place says a lot. People aren't going to want to work in factories especially considering the current reputation they have in the US.

Either way if we're gonna have more expensive goods as a result of factory work in a time where essentials like housing and groceries are extremely expensive already- I don't think the supposed benefits of adding back factory jobs into the US will offset that.
I think worker wages are far more important of a problem to fix than manufacturing in the US.

You are correct that it will be tough to convince underemployed college educated people to work in a factory, but that is not who we are talking about here. We are talking about people without college degrees from the swing states that turn the tide of national elections. In prior decades these people could obtain a solid middle class life with some upward mobility via manufacturing jobs. Now they can't, and they vote accordingly.

It is my opinion (although I'm not convinced myself) that the loss in manufacturing has contributed to the breakdown of social cohesion in western societies. When you have career prospects with a clear path to upward mobility you reduce a lot of life's stresses, you gain the ability to plan and save, and also start a family. When you are bouncing from dead-end job to dead-end job with absolutely no prospects of upward mobility you prioritize those near term dopamine hits because that is all you have to look forward to.

As far as wages go, the only real way to increase wages (outside of inflation) is to increase the employee's value to the employer. An easily replaceable fry cook is way less valuable than a manufacturing technician that has a 2 year degree, takes 6 months to train, and has spent 5 years getting really good.

 

[Guilty_AI]

This is wild because the average Cambodian is too poor to pay for much of anything america produces

i mean, guess the products will be cheaper now, though i don't know if the 30% reduction would mean that much

 

[captainnapalm]

Has nothing to do with politics. If you think Musk is some self-made kid that built it all, then it's just wrong, and you need to do more research. Take the conservative/liberal labels out and dive a bit deeper.

If Musk doesn't deserve credit for his companies - no person on earth deserves credit for his companies. He put all of his money from Paypal in Tesla and SpaceX when everyone told him he was crazy. His first principles thinking helped him break down the costs of all the components of electric cars and rockets and made him convinced he could make a success of it. Remember all manufacturing at SpaceX and Tesla is in-house - which was his doing. Now his space company controls almost all space launches and travel. His electric car company single-handedly created the electric car industry. It's amazing how delusional people can be to not give someone they dislike credit. If you think he's the devil fine, but at least give the devil his due.

 

[Idleyes]

I think Elon is an idiot for going full retard with his personal beliefs but he's not an idiot in all things.

 

[bender]

Except I saw the $450 pricing coming a mile away when everyone predicted $400 max. I'm actually one of the few that recognized Nintendo for what they are.

Keep calling people clueless when you're the one getting willingly fleeced so Miyamoto-san can buy a new rolls royce.

I will keep calling people clueless that are clueless. This is farther reaching than just Nintendo and is something I deal with on a daily basis. Your ill will for Nintendo is making you far too myopic for a reasonable discussion.

 

[Xevo]

Its not crazy difference, just checked, console is 800€ new, discdrive 130€ so 930€ aka 1019usd so 32 usd cheaper vs polish price, not worth importing obviously, and that wont make polish salaries bigger
Here proof:
discdrive 130 euro

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_sony-disc-laufwerk-fur-ps5r-digital-modelgruppe-slim-intern-zubehor-fur-ps5-slim-2909989.html

and ps5pr0 at 800 euro

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_sony-playstationr5-pro-konsole-2957869.html

Thats the normal price, you can find deals for 650/700 Euro for the Pro (easter deals are coming!) - that includes 19% German sales tax which you dont have to pay if ordering from Poland.

Playstation 5 Pro Digital 2TB für 699,90€ bei eBay | mydealz

www.mydealz.de

 

[kruis]

I'm watching a trainwreck happening in slow motion. It's like watching someone shoot their own leg in public and bleeding all over everyone else. You're not glad it happens, but it sure is entertaining to see from afar.

The problem is that no one is watching this train wreck from afar, each one of us is part of a connected, global economy and when the global economy goes down because of the enormous uncertainty "Liberation Day" has caused. We're all passengers on a train that's going off the track. Some of us will only feel a minor bump, some of us will feel the pain (higher prices, inflation) and some of us will feel the brunt of the crash (when companies go broke).

Economic upheavals like the ones we're experiencing are simply bad news for everyone.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-stocks-poised-for-biggest-two-day-wipeout-in-history-as-marketloses-9-6-trillion-since-inauguration-day-430919f6

 

[Rentahamster]

I think it's reasonable but I'd just repeat as in my original post that it hasn't been tried under these circumstances or scale.

Well, I did respond that it was tried at scale before. In terms of circumstance, we tried the tax cuts before, and that didn't really do anything in terms of manufacturing job creation. And this time, "saving" federal money by firing a lot of federal workers and leaving a lot more unemployed people in its wake doesn't seem like the best idea.

I'm looking around the world at the United States suppliers and seeing beautiful new state of the art cities. Those who supply us oil, manufactured goods. All of them tariff the United States and rely on them as a customer. Realizing that Detroit was incredible when the US supplied and didn't shift. Look at American cities now?

It's not like all of our cities are complete shitholes. The ones who didn't get with the times and suffered from mismanagement of course aren't doing so well. Detroit suffered a lot on multiple fronts, but if we focus on the automotive industry, higher labor costs, slacking quality, and tougher competition lead to its decline. When politicians opened the doorway to allowing these companies to then outsource many of the remaining jobs to places like Canada and Mexico without repercussion, that signaled the end of politicians caring about the working class and caring more about the business class.

Now, you see many foreign cities where formerly US manufacturing has gone to, and think they're doing awesome because of the transfer of all those jobs. On the one hand, those jobs did give the local economy an injection of money that transformed the city, but on the other hand it's what the government did with that money that really makes a difference. They used that money to invest in their own people and build infrastructure, housing, public services, education, and healthcare, as any good government should. American investment in its own people is very low. Our infrastructure is aging, our education system is on the decline, and our healthcare is some of the most expensive in the world while not being that great. Why would American politicians advocate for these kinds of initiatives, when the working class isn't the one who is contributing the most to their campaign fund?

 

[TVexperto]

Preordered two here in germany, let me know if any one wants one to pick up at msrvp at launch

 

[digital_ghost]

You might want to check your math. Also, the tariff is on the wholesale price, not the MSRP.

Yeah your right. Never do gaf under the influence of alcohol.

 

[Atrus]

I cannot believe the number of doofuses here drinking the kool aide on tariffs. Do you think we are going to start manufacturing iphones a massive producing t-shirts here? Are you insane? Do you know how much that will drive up the cost of goods (which lowers your purchasing power)? This is madness.

The problem is poor education and economic illiteracy during an economic transition toward becoming a more advanced economy. It is an easily weaponized ignorance and they are clueless as to the amount of damage they'll be doing to their own country.

Trump's "reciprocal tariff" rates are complete nonsense, based on trade deficits with foreign nations rather than actual tariff rates, but you'll see people take it on faith that they represent some sort of tariff inequality against the United States.

 

[devutos]

They're all folding. Lol.

Yes poor small countries the US exports nothing to are 'folding'.

 

[Gamer79]

It's clear you've drunk the Trump/Musk Kool-Aid. Hope you are in good economic shape my friend, its not just the Switch 2 that about to get real expensive for Americans. How's your 401K looking right now

I am not fan of no man and am not a Maga Hat blind supporter. I am on the fence of commons sense. As far as 401k, many don't have this because they cannot find work or too many do not have it because they can't find a job or some immigrant they let in is working under the table.

 

[nbcjr]

we really need a political forum here, so we can properly discuss

 

[near]

"The Financial Times reports that the company has already imported "hundreds of thousands" of consoles to the US to get ahead of the tariffs, with 383,000 units across five days in January alone." - Source

Damn, smart move if this is true. I wonder much they have stockpiled already in the US?

 

[Crayon]

I'd be worried less about the price of your switch2 and more about what is about to happen to your savings and investments and retirement. I don't think I'm financially prepared for what's going to happen because of these tariffs. Starting them, stopping them, starting again, using them to flex and play mind games - that is going to have a major impact even if they were all reversed tomorrow. How the fuck is anyone supposed to have any confidence in investments when one guy can invoke wartime emergency to "shake things up" at a whim.

Hey if it turns out to be 4d chess and everything is great, I'll be the first to congratulate his hidden genius. But I don't see how it's supposed to go.

we really need a political forum here, so we can properly discuss

If it was okay to have every third post ranting about woke because it was tangibly crossing into our gaming experience, I hope we can keep that same energy for what's coming.

 

[GigaBowser]

depending on how this develops, prices may not increase after all.

nintendo heros if they dont rise price??

paid full price for ps3 dont care bout no cost

 

[SlimySnake]

Nintendo tomorrow morning:

 

[AGRacing]

They used that money to invest in their own people and build infrastructure, housing, public services, education, and healthcare, as any good government should. American investment in its own people is very low. Our infrastructure is aging, our education system is on the decline, and our healthcare is some of the most expensive in the world while not being that great. Why would American politicians advocate for these kinds of initiatives, when the working class isn't the one who is contributing the most to their campaign fund?

That's dark. But from my perspective you just elected one who did. Currently it doesn't feel like I have such a choice here.
I've heard countless times that the American middle class was abandoned. That tracks with me from my seat. I feel I watched it. Our experiences may be different though, I suppose.

Anyway. I'm not overly confident that I'm right. I can EASILY find an "economist" on both sides of this issue. But I do sense this is a tough 'correction' of some bad economic policy that was , almost inarguably, a bad situation in the United States that was getting worse. This kind of correction is never easy evidenced by the "corrections" that caused it if by nothing else.

I think America needs to produce. I think various trade barriers we discussed against the United States are ridiculous in many cases. I think I benefit from the economic prosperity of the USA greatly even though I don't live there. Time will tell. I thank you for the pleasant discourse, sir.

In the meantime, as a Canadian, you'll NEVER catch me booing your national anthem.

 

[noob smokes]

This really is the worst time to launch a new console. Very bad luck for Nintendo.

And we thought covid was bad wtf this might be game over