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Nintendo wants mature games & JP 3rd parties slow to react

Golnei

Member
I was thinking Killer7 or The Silver Case, but we see how well the latter game sold... The 'mature' we expect isn't that profitable without cheesecake, sadly.

Killer7 would be an interesting thing to remaster on the Switch - along with the long-standing argument of its visuals lending themselves very well to a simple HD upscale, it'd also be a chance to give it a motion control setup post-Wii,which could make its style of gameplay less obtuse.

Still, as far as Capcom ports go, there's a lot of more rational choices they could make before Killer7, despite wanting to see it rereleased in some form.
 

Brinbe

Member
nothing mature about those games at all. Gross. I guess pervs have lots of money to burn.

Honestly, very disappointing if that's the audience and type of game they want on the Switch.
 
no more heroes was a super success on Wii
Not in accordance to how many people owned the console - like, yeah it sold well, but it's install base doesn't reflect that.

The other RE games selling over 1M is another example. Good sales, yes, but not in comparison to the other platforms and we need to take into account the biggest issue - let's move on from the Wii since it's kind of hard to treat it's sales based on it's appeal but I realistically don't see Wolfenstein II for example selling well on Switch, Doom maybe due to hype around the port and the brand recognition but on the whole, anyone interested in serious, "mature" games given the choice, is going to get the version for their PC, Xbox, or PlayStation 4. Except in Japan where portable versions often are bigger sellers and the market for niche games is more reasonable. I just think anyone expecting a third party M rated games breaking 3 million sales on Switch is unreasonable. It's market just isn't there in the US and EU.
 
I was thinking Killer7 or The Silver Case, but we see how well the latter game sold... The 'mature' we expect isn't that profitable without cheesecake, sadly.

Honestly if that’s what you were expecting I don’t know what to tell you. Mature has long meant mature rated in the US, it’s also something Nintendo has been struggling with, it would be nice to see some thought provoking games on the system, but it would be kind of odd to make a push solely on that.

Life is Strange is an M rated fans in some territories?

Why!?

Was the UK version I got different or something, it was very tame overall.

You can’t say “fuck” in the US without an M rating.
 
That comes with the territory though.... Games like fire watch and life is strange would come to the platform in the future if it becomes a safe place to release mature rated games.




Well the PS4 hasn’t taken off in Japan like many expected and it’s also not portable. I’m not well versed in sales over there but hoping to ape that part of the market is something Nintendo could do in the future sense it’ll eventually become a group underserved by the competition.

The Vita market is very small. PS4 is bigger. I was talking about third party support Vita got (like those anime, VN games). Those have mostly moved to PS4.
 

Crayolan

Member
When I saw mature in the title I assumed it meant games that were actually mature, not just ones that had the M rating. I love Doom but mature is one of the last words I'd use to describe it.

Many including myself thought mature meant thought provoking themes, maybe in with the flexibility to raise the age bar up, not specifically wanting sexy tease games and such. I'm not surprised about the latter, but it's always welcome to see the former.

When has mature ever meant this in a gaming context?
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
They want all kind of content....so ofc they wont single out mature or violent titles. Especially when they provide high quality family and kid oriented content already.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
I was talking about third party support Vita got (like those anime, VN games). Those have mostly moved to PS4.

Switch is already starting to get some of that stuff. Its the higher profile software that for the most part hasn't been announced.
 
The Vita market is very small. PS4 is bigger. I was talking about third party support Vita got (like those anime, VN games). Those have mostly moved to PS4.

I know, was just saying that it’s content that Nintendo would be wise to court. I’m not even a fan of that type of game, but Nintendo does have an advantage in Japan that it doesn’t have elsewhere. It and the PS4 are the only viable game systems.
 

RRockman

Banned
How so? I'm not claiming it's reached Vita's lineup already, simply that series such as Atelier and upcoming NISA output is migrating there, setting a precedent for other publishers to follow (which granted they are being slow to do).


You arent actually that far off. When I look at the switch, I feel like that its what the Vita should have been. It delivers on its promise of Handheld AAA games without the stupid stuff like having proprietary memory or not having onboard memory for people to use.
 
On some level I don't blame third parties for being slow to react. A handful of Wii U and 3DS third party titles from Japan had financial assistance from Nintendo. Now the Switch is selling Nintendo might be less inclined to subsidise those types of games.
 

Caayn

Member
I wouldn't really classify those games as mature. I also wouldn't mind it if the industry as a whole wasn't so afraid of creating mature games (without it being a porn simulator). With retail becoming less important it might actually happen.
 
"Mature" = "tits, ass and blood".
Of course. -_-

I'll never understand why people get upset about this. Watch a movie or TV show with gore or nudity and you'll likely be met with a "This movie/TV show is intended for mature audiences only" screen and/or voice over. It's more or less the universal language for adult content in media and has been for as long as I can remember.

nothing mature about those games at all. Gross. I guess pervs have lots of money to burn.

Honestly, very disappointing if that's the audience and type of game they want on the Switch.

They should be applauded for it. It shows that they're changing their mentality and want their audience to be as big and diverse as possible. It's a big reason why the PS brand (at least the console side) is so big around the world. Because there's no one market that it excels in. Sony wants all games on their consoles.
 

WestEgg

Member
So bump Prime 4 up to an M-Rating, then?

It ticks all the right boxes, all it needs is some special effects to push it to a darker rating.
Metroid is kind of weird in that it has this legacy status as one of the NES OG franchises that makes it sort of a face of Nintendo along with its more popular counterparts, Mario and Zelda. But at the same time it just doesn't have the sales to back that up. I know the whole point of this thread is that Nintendo is courting mature gamers, but I don't know to what degree they'd want to turn up the violence and gore for what many view as a core franchise.
 

PantsuJo

Member
Doom should be the real test for a "M" rated game on Switch, right?

Blood, demons, mutilations, other blood, other demons, etc...
 

ViciousDS

Banned
Bring it.

Switch is the new Vita, and Western third parties bringing M-rated fare is no bad thing either.


this would mean a dead device in years and garbage support from the first party company


neither of which is happening. The Vita was a niche as hell device.....switch will surpass it in less than a year....5 million units were sold as of July....
 
Strangely, their attempts to bridge gravure idols and horror with Fatal Frame have resulted in nothing but failure. At least they keep trying.

But the Wii U game sold more than the Wii titles in the first week.

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Last time we had retail info for it, it was over 60k too only in Japan. I don't see how it was a failure and we're not even counting digital.
 

Ridley327

Member
If Nintendo wants these games so bad maybe they should start by developing some of their own, or at least publish them.

I mean, the Wii U had Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame 5, Devil's Third and publishing Ninja Gaiden 3 in the west, so it's not like we're decades out from the last time they made any kind of push on that front. They're also seemingly distributing Skyrim for Bethesda, so they're also understanding of how important it is to lend a hand when it's needed.
 
Doom should be the real test for a "M" rated game on Switch, right?

Blood, demons, mutilations, other blood, other demons, etc...

Really hope it sells honestly, but I think it will, me and all of my switch owning coworkers are buying it. They just need a bunch of man children in their mid-twenties to early 30s who need to play the game away from their wives and/or babies

my fiancé likes doom though, so there’s that.
 

Surfside

Banned
this would mean a dead device in years and garbage support from the first party company


neither of which is happening. The Vita was a niche as hell device.....switch will surpass it in less than a year....5 million units were sold as of July....

Well he means that the Switch will be getting the same kind of games the Vita got, not that it will have the same sales target.
 
Yeah, nothing says "mature" like a high school aged anime pinup with gag boobs lol.

Probably shouldn't of had my expectations too high. I was thinking more of Dying Light or GTAish, though I don't think we'll ever see GTA on a handheld aside from that Chinatown game(learned over the years Rockstar has a huge grudge against Nintendo and rightfully so.)
 
Isn't there already a decent amount of M rated titles on the eShop right now? I mean, we have Resident Evil Revelations and The End Is Nigh coming up. We have The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth + currently on the Switch and that was near launch.

Also, complaining about Doom? Did I wake up in the 1990's?

On a side note, I hope we get a ton of M rated titles like, say, the Zero Escape Series, Corpse Party, and Bioshock.

Seriously.. I'd buy Corpse Party again on the Switch. I'm more than willing to go buy a Bioshock Collection on the Nintendo Switch.
 
I don't know what's worse in this thread. People pretending all third party games underperform on Nintendo platforms without actual data or the ones thinking a company would refer to Mature games as deep/complex games instead of games with Mature ratings (this includes violent games too, not only more ecchi stuff like some are pretending).
 

Ridley327

Member
Yeah, nothing says "mature" like a high school aged anime pinup with gag boobs lol.

Probably shouldn't of had my expectations too high. I was thinking more of Dying Light or GTAish, though I don't think we'll ever see GTA on a handheld aside from that Chinatown game(learned over the years Rockstar has a huge grudge against Nintendo and rightfully so.)

Chinatown Wars wasn't even the first GTA on Nintendo handhelds.

 
Is Nintendo actively courting these games, or are publishers just saying they presumed Nintendo wouldn't be interested? Basically, did anything change and is this really a story at all? The thread title seems inconsistent with what the publishers said in the articles, which is basically that Nintendo welcomed their support, which seems like business as usual.

Wii had the likes of Manhunt 2, No More Heroes, and Scarface on it, and 3DS was the initial home of Senran Kagura, with DS itself also having similar games (GTA is the biggest one, but there were lots of 'sexy' games in Japan from what I remember). So it's not like Nintendo didn't not want 'Mature' content in the first place?

(Also don't forget that Nintendo published Devil's Third and Bayonetta 2 - that seems more proactive to me)

Maybe Nintendo wants publishers to consider Switch as the platform for these games again, while they were on Wii, DS, and 3DS, Nintendo doesn't want a situation like with Xbox One where publishers just assume Switch owners wouldn't be interested in certain games (for Xbox One it's mostly Japanese publishers ignoring it in favour of Steam.

Having Doom and L.A. Noire (and potentially GTA V) be on the Switch is a very good move if Nintendo requested these titles, since it's clear the first year of software for a platform defines how people perceive it.
 

Surfside

Banned
Yeah, nothing says "mature" like a high school aged anime pinup with gag boobs lol.

Probably shouldn't of had my expectations too high. I was thinking more of Dying Light or GTAish, though I don't think we'll ever see GTA on a handheld aside from that Chinatown game(learned over the years Rockstar has a huge grudge against Nintendo and rightfully so.)


GTA certainly doesn't scream mature to me, other then its rating.
 
Bring it.

Switch is the new Vita, and Western third parties bringing M-rated fare is no bad thing either.

The Switch really is the new Vita.


The Switch is actually selling and isn't abandon by its creator. The Switch is everything the Vita wished it was and the stench of failure doesn't follow the Switch around. No it's not.



I think if Nintendo wants to shed its finally friendly only image they will need to develope a Mature rated ip of their own and show it sells to better attract 3rd party Mature titles.
 
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