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No one gives a damn now

delishcaek

Member
The reveal for the Switch 2 was the lowest effort a generational hardware reveal has ever been.
The Switch 2 reveal isn't any worse than the Playstation 5 reveal from almost 5 years ago which had 60 seconds of animated balls and lets not forget the logo reveal a couple weeks prior at CES.


What are all of these games (minus the first one)?

Doom Dark Ages will be fucking epic for sure though. I think 2025 will be a great year for gaming.
2nd gif is Blood of the Dawnwalker (the new game from former Witcher 3 devs)

3rd gif is the new Onimusha

4th is Crimson Desert

5th is the new Gears of War

Don't know what the last one is.
 
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samoilaaa

Member
The Switch 2 reveal isn't any worse than the Playstation 5 reveal from almost 5 years ago which had 60 seconds of animated balls and lets not forget the logo reveal a couple weeks prior at CES.



2nd gif is Blood of the Dawnwalker (the new game from former Witcher 3 devs)

3rd gif is the new Onimusha

4th is Crimson Desert

5th is the new Gears of War

Don't know what the last one is.

last one is judas

 

Drell

Member
Why are people ar according so much importance to this short switch 2 reveal? It's just a teaser, wait for the true presnetation to be mad.
 

MiguelItUp

Member
The Switch 2 reveal was essentially a hardware reveal/teaser. Everything on April 2nd will go over everything including games. I didn't think it was low effort or anything, it's just that it leaked pretty badly, so a lot of people knew everything already. People even had expectations as a result, but Nintendo stayed on course with their original plans. If the leak didn't happen, the tune would've been a bit different for everyone I'm sure.

There's nothing to "solve", everything is fine. People should practice to not be so cynical and pessimistic, and limit expectations. Video games are more popular than ever, and at 40 years old I've experienced the whole "there's nothing for me" feeling multiple times now in the last 10ish years. There are a LOT of games that release in a year, and a lot aren't for me, but there are quite a bit that are. So it's just a matter of sorting through the ones that matter to you and don't, that's it.

Laying all your hope on GTA6 is building expectations, and no one should do that. We've had plenty of examples to tell you NOT to do that. Nothing wrong with being excited, but keep yourself checked.

This generation is far from a wipe out, just too many people expected this generation to be a lot more than what it is for whatever reason. I thought the writing was on the wall for awhile now.
 
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kikkis

Member
It’s time to be real.

We need E3 back ASAP. The lack of a centralized hype hub during pre-E3 conferences, where we all got hyped and dreamed with that butterflies-in-the-stomach feeling about what everyone would show, is killing the vibe.

This digital, cold, and impersonal streaming era that took over gaming presentations during the pandemic brought nothing good. It just made everything feel insignificant and depressing, like games are being revealed in a virtual AA meeting.
Given lack of games four years into the gen what the hell would there have been to announce?
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
GTA games suck. The controls are bad and the mission structure rigid and outdated. All Rockstsar games have shit gameplay.

I know this isn’t what the thread is about, but I saw an occasion to shit on that overhyped and overrated franchise and took it.
Lord Gabe bless the PC versions.

Not how tapping to run is one of the most retarded things ever? Lol.
I just hold shift. 🤷‍♂️
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
ok i will give you examples from the last 5 years

Robot Motorcycle GIF by Xbox



Video Game Trailer GIF by BANDAI NAMCO


200.gif


Smiley Face Snow GIF by Xbox


Wasteland 3 Ix GIF by Xbox


Reveal Dust GIF by Xbox


let me know if you want more , good games are still being made , you just have to look for them

stay away from the drama games , you know the kind of games that developers use politics to describe it instead of actual game mechanics
what are these games?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
ghostrunner 2
armored core 6
nioh 2
the ascent
wasteland 3
figment 2
why post so many CG cutscenes that have nothing to do with the gameplay? Completely disingenious.

The OP wants games to look like that. Seems like you do too since you used CG gifs to show games do look like that when they clearly dont.
 

samoilaaa

Member
why post so many CG cutscenes that have nothing to do with the gameplay? Completely disingenious.

The OP wants games to look like that. Seems like you do too since you used CG gifs to show games do look like that when they clearly dont.
so you want me to post gameplay videos of all those games ?

the point is that there are alot of great games and industry is not as bad as OP says , here im gonna post some more titles , no gifs no videos

Call of the sea
guardians of the galaxy
death's door
pathfinder wrath of the righteous
little nightmares 2
pshychonauts 2
hitman 3
grime
returnal
syberia world before
fist forged in shadow
disco elysium
sifu
stray
ghostwire tokyo
evil west
star wars jedi survivor
remnant 2
the invicible
octopath traveler 2
the bookwalker
system shock
robocop rogue city
warhammer 40k rogue trader
amnesia the bunker
the talos principle 2
trine 5
the last case of benedict fox
metaphor refantazio
astro bot
path of exile 2
stalker 2
stellar blade
alone in the dark
frostpunk 2
rise of the ronin

Plenty of good games to play if you want , all of this is from 2020 to 2024
 

Insanemaelstrom

Gold Member
I think rather than giving a damn, gaming( well atleast AAA gaming, indies are still great) reels of corporate. You can smell the shiny grease as they try to sell you games that have been made through data points, market analysis and board room meetings rather than passion and creativity. And this has spilled over into how execs and companies act and showcase their products. They are bafflingly tone deaf in their approach like an old guy trying to act like he is 30 and not bald. They have no excitement, passion or interest in what they are showing, platforms they are developing or games they are making and it shows. Ps5 is the least exciting of all playstation gens, same with Xbox and switch 2 announcement seems to be part of the same symptom( although I hope it changed when Nintendo does a proper presentation).

Luckily we have had way better games from indie and small devs( along with few select AAA devs).
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
I don't understand the OP but I am not going to shit on them either. Indie gaming is in such a great place that I can't be bothered to complain about the implied lack of caring by larger publishers.


And I will never understand the reason people feel the need to shit of Geoff Keighley for arbitrary reasons.
 

hyperbertha

Member
You’ve beaten all the FromSoftware games? What do you want, a cookie, a hug, or maybe both?

You're being hyperbolic. Funny how Rockstar's controls are "trash," yet they've sold over 400 million copies of just one of their franchises
Because they have the budget to attract normies. How retarded do you have to be to believe popularity = quality? The best games aren't the highest sellers they never was. The best games generally stay in the niche, appealing to a select crowd
 
I think rather than giving a damn, gaming( well atleast AAA gaming, indies are still great) reels of corporate. You can smell the shiny grease as they try to sell you games that have been made through data points, market analysis and board room meetings rather than passion and creativity. And this has spilled over into how execs and companies act and showcase their products. They are bafflingly tone deaf in their approach like an old guy trying to act like he is 30 and not bald. They have no excitement, passion or interest in what they are showing, platforms they are developing or games they are making and it shows. Ps5 is the least exciting of all playstation gens, same with Xbox and switch 2 announcement seems to be part of the same symptom( although I hope it changed when Nintendo does a proper presentation).

Luckily we have had way better games from indie and small devs( along with few select AAA devs).
This guy gets it. They think they're fooling everyone, but it seems like that illusion is beginning to deteriorate.
 
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dorkimoe

Member
Gaming has changed. THe old days are over. The younger generation seems to think having 1 console manufacturer (sony) is the solution.

As far as gameplay, look at Marvel Rivals...the most basic gameplay in a hero shooter ever and its popular..because people can grind their skins
 
No one even cared much about Xbox basically calling it quits. Saw no Xbox peeps finally blaming Phil or anything.

I’m cruising on older games on sales. It’s only January.
 
To tell you how bad the gaming industry is, when Baldur's gate 3 was released, a whole bunch of devs came out and said "Baldur's Gate 3 Shouldn't Be "Raised Standard" for RPGs". Think I'm lying? Check the link below.

To me that is completely insane and it's something that would never have been said in the ps2/Xbox and ps3/360 era. Dev's were competing against themselves aggressively to outdo each other. The old BF/COD wars are an example of this which drove both games to be better. E3 and trade shows played a large part in fueling the competition because, it was a space where you had to fight for the public's attention. Futhermore, back in the days, devs were more connected to the fans with fewer layers of cancer(HR, useless managers,etc) between the devs and fans. As a result, they could get real feedback and look to course correct. Now studios don't want to compete. They want to instead created sequels to tired IPs with barely any innovation, then stuff them full with microtransactions all so the can pad their earnings. This ps5/Xsx gen is the most boring gen i've ever experienced in the history of modern console gaming. As it relates to the ps5 in particular, it's been 5 years and they've only released 1 great game, astrobot.

GTA games suck. The controls are bad and the mission structure rigid and outdated. All Rockstsar games have shit gameplay.

I know this isn’t what the thread is about, but I saw an occasion to shit on that overhyped and overrated franchise and took it.
I'm glad someone is finally saying it. For me, GTA games are carried by their story. The actual mechanics are mostly trash. The shooting, the driving, the flying but that's what happens when you try to create an everything game. GTA 5 was the worst GTA game I've ever played by far and I think this is true for many that are not into GTA online. While I enjoyed GTA 4 because of the mature tone of the story, the mechanics were also a bit questionable however, it was boundary pushing. The same cannot be said for the watered down crap that is GTA V. Btw, it's not just GTA that suffers with this problem. RDR2's gameplay is also crap. Great story and great experience but the gameplay is tedious, mission structure is restrictive and tedious, etc.
 

Insanemaelstrom

Gold Member
Gaming has changed. THe old days are over. The younger generation seems to think having 1 console manufacturer (sony) is the solution.

As far as gameplay, look at Marvel Rivals...the most basic gameplay in a hero shooter ever and its popular..because people can grind their skins
Yeah, I have even seen youtube comments defending mxts( some even asking for it( although I hope they were bots)). Mxts and lootboxes have ruined the new gen of gamers
 

Krathoon

Member
Really, I wish PlayStation would push game developers to make demos and have "demo discs" again.

It could be a digital dowload, but they call it a demo disc and it would have interviews and stuff.
 

hemo memo

You can't die before your death
I'm just glad Nintendo didn't go with something extreme like a dedicated VR console called 'Nintendo Verse' or something. Switch 2. Simple. Tested and proven successful.
 
To tell you how bad the gaming industry is, when Baldur's gate 3 was released, a whole bunch of devs came out and said "Baldur's Gate 3 Shouldn't Be "Raised Standard" for RPGs". Think I'm lying? Check the link below.

To me that is completely insane and it's something that would never have been said in the ps2/Xbox and ps3/360 era. Dev's were competing against themselves aggressively to outdo each other.
The old BF/COD wars are an example of this which drove both games to be better. E3 and trade shows played a large part in fueling the competition because, it was a space where you had to fight for the public's attention. Futhermore, back in the days, devs were more connected to the fans with fewer layers of cancer(HR, useless managers,etc) between the devs and fans. As a result, they could get real feedback and look to course correct. Now studios don't want to compete. They want to instead created sequels to tired IPs with barely any innovation, then stuff them full with microtransactions all so the can pad their earnings. This ps5/Xsx gen is the most boring gen i've ever experienced in the history of modern console gaming. As it relates to the ps5 in particular, it's been 5 years and they've only released 1 great game, astrobot.

(...)
Agreed. I have no idea what's up with modern day AAA developers (well, kinda), but dragging down your fellow industry colleagues is tactless. They should aspire and strive to create better ideas and compliment them on their accomplishments/milestones. Not try to drag them down like petty crabs in a bucket.
 
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Fafalada

Fafracer forever
The Switch 2 reveal isn't any worse than the Playstation 5 reveal from almost 5 years ago which had 60 seconds of animated balls and lets not forget the logo reveal a couple weeks prior at CES.
I think it's more that Switch 2 was literally "it's Switch, but bigger" in the reveal.
When console design is literally the only thing you show for a few seconds - it matters.
But yea PS5 reveal was also pretty lazy outside of the new design language.

last one is judas
This is one of those where 'From creators of' text is wholly redundant. This practically screams Bioshock throughout the trailer (more obvious since I'm just replaying the first one, and yea - it immediately jumped out).
 

Kokoro2020

Member
I think people are judging the Switch 2 too early. We only seen the thing for a few seconds in a trailer. I'm sure as more is revealed in the coming months, it'll look more appealing.
 
Gaming has changed. THe old days are over. The younger generation seems to think having 1 console manufacturer (sony) is the solution.

As far as gameplay, look at Marvel Rivals...the most basic gameplay in a hero shooter ever and its popular..because people can grind their skins
Correction. The younger generation seems to think that having one game is the solution and they’ll just play it until the end.

OP, gaming will never be as it once was. The devs are gone and the audience is different. It used to be nerds making games for nerds. It’s something else now and it’s not coming back. Every now and then some gem still slips through the cracks though, so not everything is lost.

Just look at it in a positive way. No more backlog.
 
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A.Romero

Member
I'm in my forties and to me it is not that different than before. I mean, yes there are new business models like mtx and F2P and all of that but most of the time they are optional. There are so many options available around that it's not worth it to yell at the ones that we don't like anymore.

I don't know, for example the last Far Cry I played was 3. The last asscreed was Origins. I know they are still around but the franchises don't attract me anymore so I don't buy them. If Ubisoft disappears tomorrow my gaming habits won't change at all because I really don't care what they are doing anymore.

Same with HW: Microsoft didn't put out an offer it compels me to buy so I don't. If they stop selling hardware tomorrow I'll be a bit concerned about what the future holds for industry when Playstation is the only one around selling to the high end console market but whatever, PC is always there with a backlog so big that even if I start playing that right now I'll probably die before finishing all those games.

I have a couple of kids (8 and 10). The younger one cares way more about Youtube and watching people play games than playing himself and when he does 90% of the time is F2P smartphone crap or Roblox. The eldest one is hooked with Demon Souls (he finished it like 4 times already), Elden Ring and fucking Spider Man 2. I enjoyed the later as well but believe me when I tell you he doesn't give a shit about MJ dropping soldiers left and right with a Stun gun. He doesn't even care about the comics nor the movies. They are my thermometer because I know I'm not the most attractive market for publishers anymore and I can tell they like what's coming out so if I don't like it it's because it's just not aimed to me.

I get them different games so they try different stuff. A couple of years back the eldest would only care about playing Zelda on the Switch and maybe some Fortnite. It's been over a year since the last time we played some Mario Kart, Smash Bros or Mario Party. Now he only picks the Switch up to play Dark Souls when he can't access the PS5. I told him Switch 2 was coming out and he couldn't care less, he didn't even showed interest in watching a video or what games were coming out with it. If he feels like playing games together he rather plays MK1 (in my household there is little to no censorship).
 

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
im very excited about the future

The Switch 2 reveal isn't any worse than the Playstation 5 reveal from almost 5 years ago which had 60 seconds of animated balls and lets not forget the logo reveal a couple weeks prior at CES.



2nd gif is Blood of the Dawnwalker (the new game from former Witcher 3 devs)

No gameplay, not yet taken in by the concept, or that the studio will be able to pull this off. No fucking clue when release is either.

3rd gif is the new Onimusha
This is what I was talking about with IP being dug up when it was probably left behind for a reason. Bringing back Dino Crisis makes way more sense than this, because this version of Onimusha just has too much crossover with Nioh, Rise of The Ronin, Sekiro, Wo Long, Wu Kong, Ghost of Tsushima and maybe even AC Shadows. Feudal Japan setting has speedrun its overuse.

4th is Crimson Desert
Zero confidence in this being good or coming out any time soon. It looks like they've just smashed together a bunch of aspects from different games and thrown it at the wall.

5th is the new Gears of War
Does anyone have confidence in this?

last one is judas


This game was announced coming up to 3 years ago, and we still haven't seen a lick of gameplay. It's been in dev for way too long as well.
It's also got roguelike elements, which I doubt anyone is particularly wanting from a Ken Levine project.

Laying all your hope on GTA6 is building expectations, and no one should do that.
You misunderstand. I bring up GTA6 not because I'm all that excited for it, but because it might be the shot in the arm the industry needs. The industry certainly sees it that way.
 
Because we don't have regular conference dates, we're left for 5 or more years without having a clue what premiere studios are doing. We didn't know what Monolith Productions was doing for more than 4 years before they revealed Wonder Woman - and it's clear the lack of pressure got to them, as they'd barely started before the reveal which is why we haven't seen shit since.
This is my biggest problem with your entire take OP. If you, or anyone else, has been miserable gaming the last 5, 10 years or so. That's a you problem and maybe you just don't really love this hobby as much as you think. Not only do I have an insane backlog, but there seems to be constant games that come out that I'm interested in buying day 1. I just couldn't imagine not enjoying what comes on in gaming in general. Oh you favorite studio hasn't announced or released a game in a couple of years, who cares! There is a dozen of other high quality games you could be playing.

Idk, I'm not saying the industry is perfect. Wayyyy too much bloat from seemingly every dev/publisher. Causing dev times to take too long. Also not a fan of all consolidation taking place and maybe communicate can be a little better but I think most of it is just people being babies or impatient.
 

MiguelItUp

Member
You misunderstand. I bring up GTA6 not because I'm all that excited for it, but because it might be the shot in the arm the industry needs. The industry certainly sees it that way.
I suppose some may think that, but I don't. I just don't want to give it any kind of expectations or power, lol. The industry says a lot about a lot, and they've been wrong plenty of times too. So I'd take it all with a grain of salt.
 

SHA

Member
Enthusiasm in core gaming is down, and the companies don't seem to realize it or don't care.

The reveal for the Switch 2 was the lowest effort a generational hardware reveal has ever been. One of of the top yt comments says the following:



It would be something if this Wendy's Twitter account attitude was coming from Nintendo, but fans are just projecting that image onto them. To me, it comes off more like they're taking the Switch 2's success for granted.
"Here's some muddy ass footage of Mario Kart Not8, now piss off and get ready to preorder for maybe 3 new games of consequence and an avalanche of inferior ports"

Nintendo isn't alone here: Sony hasn't had a showcase in over 18 months, and their last was abysmal. State of Plays are contractual obligations on video. No one brings their A game to the content or the presentation. Third parties think that dripfeeding on Twitter and showing a 90 second trailer at one of Geoff Keighley's shill auctions does the trick.
Microsoft is able to put on a convincing effort for NotE3 because they've bought out half of the industry and dedicate most of their energy trying making things look better than they actually are.

And to that point, you might be thinking:
The presentations don't matter. It's about the games.
But this devil may care attitude to selling people on buying their games has also bled into the games themselves, and it's hard not to notice that this started as trade shows, expos and press conference became less of a concern.

Because we don't have regular conference dates, we're left for 5 or more years without having a clue what premiere studios are doing. We didn't know what Monolith Productions was doing for more than 4 years before they revealed Wonder Woman - and it's clear the lack of pressure got to them, as they'd barely started before the reveal which is why we haven't seen shit since.

It just seems like everyone is running on cruise control. Sequels are becoming lesser rehashes even when they take 4+ years to make with heavy asset reuse; new IP of significance is rare, and is either a pale imitation of old IP or looks fucking stupid; major publishers have swathes of their schedules filled by remasters and remakes, and dragging out old IP that was probably let go of for a reason; none of the platform holders are curating their stores; trailers are not as well put together as they were 10 years ago; top developers are more than happy going 5-8 years without releasing a game while collecting six figure salaries; and they increasingly don't give a festering fuck about making a game that sells if it isn't a Stockholm syndrome designed live service they can use to climb the corporate ranks.
And before any of you indie yahoos come in here telling us all about your "hidden gems", most of this stuff applies to that space too.

Who solves it, if anyone? Do we lay all our hopes on GTA6? Do we wait for Hermen Hulst to be dismissed, a major publisher like Ubisoft or Microsoft to crumble, Andrew Wilson to leave for Disney, and the half-century old guard of Nintendo to bow out? I think it's a mixture of all of this and more. This generation looks to be a total wipeout.
I'd agree with you 10 + years ago but the truth is you never knew what you want and even studios don't know what gamers want, every game is different and most of the times it's a gamble and journalists /reviewers won't tell you how you're gonna like it cause it's not their job to do that.
 
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