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Son of Godzilla said:GT5 has zero chance of being bigger than GoW3 in the US. Beyond Zero. Like, a zero with a little zero inside of it.
You'd end up banned. That "US" qualifier is significant.unconcerned said:Ban bet?
Son of Godzilla said:GT5 has zero chance of being bigger than GoW3 in the US. Beyond Zero. Like, a zero with a little zero inside of it.
You'd end up banned. That "US" qualifier is significant.unconcerned said:Ban bet?
GT sales in the US have traditionally ranged from 3 million on the low end (GT4) to 4 million (GT1, GT2) to up to 7 million (GT3).You'd end up banned. That "US" qualifier is significant.
a Master Ninja said:Looking forward, this bundle is a pretty clever way of delaying a price drop.
It should be widely available by the end of the month, and I expect it let the 360 maintain respectable sales through the Spring and Summer. It will probably lag behind the PS3 during some months but not the doom and gloom people predicted last year. This would then allow Microsoft to launch an Xbox 360 Natal bundle this Fall at $299, rather than having to jack up the price or take a significant loss.
Really? You think people are going to stop making traditional games as a result of Heavy Rain? Developments in the joke that is storytelling in videogames is going to be altered in any way by Heavy Rain's success?Shake Appeal said:Well, if you believe that the direction Heavy Rain is taking is fundamentally wrongheaded and will damage the fledgling medium of gaming by dragging it further down the blind alley of "interactive movies" (which currently can't compete even with our worst actual movies, and which are frighteningly simplistic in their interactivity even compared to games released ten or twenty years ago), then it's disconcerting to see that direction rewarded, because it increases the likelihood that other developers will jump into the bandwagon and drive us deeper into the uncanny valley, hootin' and a-hollerin' delightedly all the way about the industry's growing "maturity".
On the other hand, if he continues making bank like this, perhaps prized "auteur" David De Gruttola will finally be able to buy his way into some hack film school... where he belongs.
Averon said:What came out September '07? All I remember is Halo 3.
You want a ban bet too? I really don't want to go into the politics of why GT would win.Woo-Fu said:You'd end up banned. That "US" qualifier is significant.
There have been just as many defenders in here as there have been haters. But I guess you can only see one side of the coin, right?templeusox said:Haha. You gotta love that the few HR haters here have congregated in the bowels of the NPD thread to fight the good fight.
All I can see is bitter tears.EagleEyes said:There have been just as many defenders in here as there have been haters. But I guess you can only see one side of the coin, right?
I don't think Bioshock 2 was a shitty cash-in.EazyB said:Really? You think people are going to stop making traditional games as a result of Heavy Rain? Developments in the joke that is storytelling in videogames is going to be altered in any way by Heavy Rain's success?
Seems to me like people that didn't enjoy the experience are butthurt that many other did. That's fine, you guys have all the right in the world to dislike it, but passing it off as anything greater than that is just ridiculous. If anything, it's shitty cash in titles like Dante's Inferno and Bioshock 2 plague the industry a lot more than people trying to throw something new and different into a console, regardless of how widespread its appeal may be or how well it's executed.
Can't see beyond your own?templeusox said:All I can see is bitter tears.
templeusox said:All I can see is bitter tears.
Unregistered007 said:OH PLEASE BioShock 2 sux
Karma said:Does NPD count bundled games? Like the FFXIII 360 bundle?
(*includes CE, GOTY editions, bundles, etc. but not those bundled with hardware)
Karma said:Does NPD count bundled games? Like the FFXIII 360 bundle?
(*includes CE, GOTY editions, bundles, etc. but not those bundled with hardware)
#1002Skiptastic said:Don't forget folks, not a "fanboy".
Anyway, I'm sure someone has the numbers, so I'm going to ask: What are God of War and God of War II's NPD statistics? Did they end up selling 3+ million? Would be interesting to see the numbers on them to get a relative idea of what God of War III could do with fewer systems on the market.
Hardware bundles are not accounted for in the numbers.Karma said:Does NPD count bundled games? Like the FFXIII 360 bundle?
Haunted said:GT sales in the US have traditionally ranged from 3 million on the low end (GT4) to 4 million (GT1, GT2) to up to 7 million (GT3).
GoW stayed under 2 million and GoW2 apparently did about 2 1/2 million.
So even the worst GT mainline entry sold more than any of the GoW games.
Jtyettis said:Eh it's not going to remain $299 on the high end this fall I can almost guarantee that. They will do a real price cut and the lower end I'm guessing will hit $149 and $249 on top. Natal or no Natal. When they normally do a price cut (August/Sept) I doubt Natal is even ready. I suspect a redesign is coming. Regardless this Spring/Q2 should be very good for MS considering they do have pretty darn good SW exclusives coming plus a huge beta while the PS3 doesn't after March at least until GT5 or whatever else they announce for the fall. Simply let the SW talk as they are set until the fall. I suspect they will do more than fine during Q2/Q3 and into fall. I don't really see it lagging at all and especially so if Sony is saying there will be HW constraints until possibly June.
That, I don't know.Sho_Nuff82 said:So how much is that is without bundles? It would have to outsell MW2 to put up those kind of number on PS3 in the US. My guess is it will top out at ~1.5 million of counted sales, and ship 2-3x that as Sony bundles it 6-12 months after launch.
I see you haven't played Call of Pripyat yet.Rez said:good for Bioshock 2.
it was by far the best game release of Feb. props to 2k Marin.
They're not as easy to get into as Bioshock, but the payoff in the end is appropriately substantial. Fantastic atmosphere and world immersion.Rez said:Embarrassingly, no.
I'm yet to play any of the STALKER games.
Karma said:When was the last 360 price cut?
Haunted said:#1002
Karma said:When was the last 360 price cut?
snoopers said:So... Bioshock 2 PS3 sold almost as much as Heavy Rain, but Bioshock 2 is a bomba and Heavy Rain is not. Hmm.
Rat Salad said:Oh c'mon,were not talking about its quality. It was pretty apparent that many at Gaf wanted the game to fail,there were threads on that game that were slanderfests,way before it was even released. Because it was a direct clone off of Sony's upcoming God of War it set off that crowd where they had to slander it every chance they got. Their "reasoning" behind their cricitcism may have seemed legit in their eyes,but the constant trollingof the game was a dead give away that it was the usual agenda at work once again.
Which is like I said,. In the end the forum through a tantrum over this game, for no real reason other than it had very good marketing behind it,and because of this it somehow violated stepping on Sony's toes for playing very similar to GOW. It was a decent game,but this forum made it sound like it was a total p.o.s.,which it certainly wasn't.
What are Bioshock 2 numbers?snoopers said:So... Bioshock 2 PS3 sold almost as much as Heavy Rain, but Bioshock 2 is a bomba and Heavy Rain is not. Hmm.
No, you called them "mythical", which is not anything like saying they "cannot be quantified". I went into Best Buy yesterday to pick up the FF13 guide, decided to glance at console stock. There were no PS3s on the shelf and no Wiis on the shelf. There was a pallet stacked with 360s in the middle of an aisle (I'd estimate about 20) and 360s on shelves in two other locations.Opus Angelorum said:As I stated, until Sony release the number of retail units that were available for February then any anecdotal evidence of shortages (no matter how true) cannot be quantified.
Loudninja said:What are Bioshock 2 numbers?
"Bioshock 2 was the best-selling game in February, selling over 750K units at retail across platforms. The 360 version was the top-selling SKU for the month."
Nice,I dont consider that a bomb.snoopers said:From the OP:
Considering BS2 360 sold 562k, PS3 should be around 200k. Heavy Rain did 219k.
True.Mrbob said:There is a PC retail version as well.
snoopers said:From the OP:
Considering BS2 360 sold 562k, PS3 should be around 200k. Heavy Rain did 219k.
Evlar said:This is anecdotal, of course. Sony (and Nintendo?) warning of shortages is NOT anecdotal.
Mrbob said:There is a PC retail version as well.
there are people out there that feel that way... but i think most people are more like 'whatever'.racerx said:really? Certainly for some of the sony fan boys, that motivation is true. But from that original thread "DI is the most insulting game ever..." to 1up's comment "....because Dante's is as complete a forgery as games come...." to the very first comment from cotaku 's story on DI "... Dante's so obviously outright steals so many things from God of War it's kind of gross."
Don't you think there are people out there who really were genuinely annoyed that a game simply copied so much that people are saying it's just a reskinned version of an older game?
racerx said:Some of you guys are deluded. I'd be surprised if GOW surpasses 300k.
Here is the preorders for next month via cheapassgamer
1 PS3- Final Fantasy XIII (31.5%)
2 360 -Battlefield Bad Company 2 (30.5%)
3 God of War III (17.8%)
4 PS3- Battlefield Bad Company 2 (11.5%)
5 360 -Final Fantasy XIII (8.7%)
I still think ff13 on the 360 will be closer to the ps3 version than what the preorders suggest.
racerx said:Some of you guys are deluded. I'd be surprised if GOW surpasses 300k.
Here is the preorders for next month via cheapassgamer
1 PS3- Final Fantasy XIII (31.5%)
2 360 -Battlefield Bad Company 2 (30.5%)
3 God of War III (17.8%)
4 PS3- Battlefield Bad Company 2 (11.5%)
5 360 -Final Fantasy XIII (8.7%)
I still think ff13 on the 360 will be closer to the ps3 version than what the preorders suggest.
What better information do we have to go on? We have had supply-constrained products in the past; the Wii was constrained for years. There was never any better evidence for Wii being supply constrained in 2007 and 2008 than anecdotal channel-checks and statements from the manufacturer. Nevertheless, at this point, it's considered factual to say that Wii was indeed supply constrained and out-of-touch to suggest it wasn't.NemesisPrime said:True.. it is called PR.
i don't get why it's anecdotal to throw a wide variety of zip codes into websites that try to locate the nearest system, and to find almost nowhere in stock across the country.Evlar said:What better information do we have to go on? We have had supply-constrained products in the past; the Wii was constrained for years. There was never any better evidence for Wii being supply constrained in 2007 and 2008 than anecdotal channel-checks and statements from the manufacturer. Nevertheless, at this point, it's considered factual to say that Wii was indeed supply constrained and out-of-touch to suggest it wasn't.
Why was it OK to say Wii was supply constrained in 2007 but not OK to say Wii and PS3 are supply constrained in 2010, based on the same types of evidence?
plagiarize said:I mean do we complain when an FPS controls and plays exactly like Halo? when a racing game controls and plays the same as Gran Turismo? etc etc.
Zoe said:So you use preorders as evidence for one thing but throw it out the window for the other?
Averon said::lol
You're joking, right?