IndoAssassin
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The X1 OS and controller updates will outsell the PS4 OS updates this year
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NPD Sales Results for January 2015 [PS4 #1, Nintendo Numbers, XB1 Minimum]
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Well one cares about being number 1 no matter what the cost is and the other has always done its own thing.
A Human Becoming
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Hmm, so it seems Xbone, Wii U, and Vita had YoY increases. Vita had a 50%+ YoY increase in December too. I wonder if this is a temporary influx or if Vita is on the reversal. It has sold less every year since it was released, especially from 2012 to 2013.
What a rotten month. Current and last gen consoles combined sold less than the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube together in January 2002. Gamecube sold as much as the Wii U that month.
What a rotten month. Current and last gen consoles combined sold less than the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube together in January 2002. Gamecube sold as much as the Wii U that month.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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BlackProdigy
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Homie compared The Order to Gears 0_0
I'm out peeps.
I'm out peeps.
The Mad Draklor
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To me, The Order: 1886 is more related to Wolfenstein: The New Order in terms of that they're both singleplayer shooters with huge emphasis on the story.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Imru al-Qays
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The 150 million number is misleading. The only reason the PS2 sold that many consoles is because Sony prolonged its lifespan due to the overpriced, poorly-received PS3. What matters is launch date adjusted sales. I think there's a pretty good chance the PS4 will outsell the PS2 worldwide if you adjust by launch date.
Japan doesn't matter for worldwide console sales anymore. PS4 can make up the difference with increased sales in Europe and developing markets.
Xbox brand is stronger in the US than it was in the PS2 era, but the overall size of the console market also appears to have grown. PS4 probably won't outsell PS2 in the US, but it won't be a huge drop.
The PS2 wasn't a hit because the proto-Wii audience was buying it for Singstar. That part of the PS2 audience is gone, but it's likely growth in the core will make that irrelevant.
Manmademan
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2 million lifetime is hilariously low. Even PSABR managed to sell a million copies.
The Order is launching on a red hot platform with no competition in 2 out of 3 of the largest markets, with no similar third person shooters available on the platform at all. (Japan is a fairly weak market though, so europe is going to do a lot of the heavy lifting).
It'll do 2 million by the time summer hits, easily. more than that by the end of the year.
Imru’ al-Qays;152003699 said:
you think sony can just "decide to prolong" 50 million units into existence? thats more than the Xbox and gamecube sold during their entire lifespans, combined. The PS2 was legitimately popular, amassed a massive library that could be had cheaply, and thus kept selling on that library long after new games were scarce.
the ps4 has absolutely no shot at outselling the PS2 worldwide. It has simply too much competition, from the Xbox as well as smartphones and tablets.
theprodigy
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how does the PS4 vs PS2 LTD fare worldwide, aligning for launch times (i.e. trying to separate out Japan for a more accurate comparison)
edit: wait a minute, PS2 shipments hit 28.68m through FY2002....
edit: wait a minute, PS2 shipments hit 28.68m through FY2002....
ZSaberLink
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@Wii U - Toad is so like the 3rd best selling title this month for Wii U isn't it...
Manmademan
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separating japan out doesn't really make sense, because by 2001 the PS2 had amassed a ridiculously strong lineup of first and third party games (SH2, FFX, Metal Gear Solid 2, Gran Turismo 3, Devil May Cry, SSX, Jak and Daxter) helped in large part by the additional time on the market the staggered japanese launch gave it.
No way could the PS4 have run out of the gate with that kind of lineup within a year of WW launch.
Imru al-Qays
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No, I don't think it prolonged 50 million units into existence. It prolonged enough units into existence to make 150 million a misleading benchmark, though. No console will ever have a more successful afterlife than the PS2, but the PS2's healthy afterlife was a direct result of the seventh generation's difficult start.
I think it's easy to overstate how much competition the PS4 is actually facing from the Bone outside of the US, and how much the PS2 depended on people who are today not part of the console market for its success.
I don't think it's a sure thing the PS4 will outsell the PS2 worldwide, but I don't think it's out of the question either. Certainly it has a better shot than any other console has had.
The real question is how things are looking in Europe + developing nations.
joecanada
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The only thing that made gears so popular that would make it outsell the order is the online multiplayer, this is a big feature for maNY.
In terms of single player the order should be pretty close to same quality and I expect the order story to be miles better than
"dude watch me totally shred this alien bruh "
Aquamarine
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PS2:
March 2000 - 1.41 million LTD shipped (Japan only)
June 2000 - No data
September 2000 - 3.52 million LTD shipped (Japan only)
December 2000 - No data
March 2001 - 10.61 million LTD shipped
June 2001 - No data
September 2001 - 19.58 million LTD shipped
December 2001 - 24.99 million LTD shipped
PS4:
December 2013 - 4.5 million LTD shipped
March 2014 - 7.5 million LTD shipped
June 2014 - 10.2 million LTD shipped
September 2014 - 13.5 million LTD shipped
December 2014 - 19.9 million LTD shipped
RealityPales
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Didn't expect Sony to take NPD until Feb.
They will take every month until ms decides to give xbox away again during nov and dec.
Manmademan
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Imru’ al-Qays;152004629 said:
The seventh generation didn't have a difficult start. The PS3 did, but the 7th generation as a whole had an immediate, phenomenal success in the launch of the Wii, and the 360 took off around the same time, though not to the same degree. The 360 had identical or BETTER performance than the PS3, with 90% of the same games, for a lot less money. as we've seen with the mainstream moving from the PS2 to the 360/Wii and back to the PS4 between generations, the mass market isn't brand loyal to video game systems at all.
Plenty of people were buying plenty of 7th gen consoles, but still continued to pick up PS2s due to the massive library that could be had for next to nothing (remember, used games were huge for ps2) and super low price point.
It's worth taking into account the following.Also the fact that manufacturing that many consoles back then was an achievement in itself.
PS2
Mar 2000 - Japan
Oct 2000 - North America
Nov 2000 - Europe
PS4
Nov 2013 - North America
Nov 2013 - Europe
Feb 2014 - Japan
StrongBlackVine
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Amazon will show the truth. It hasn't been wrong yet...PS4 is winning again this month far with a big release next week.
Imru al-Qays
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People were buying plenty of Wiis, but the 360 was only selling about as well as the original Xbox (at least in the US, I don't know how the rest of the world stacks up). Since I don't believe the Wii's sales, even in the console's early years, were coming principally from the traditional console market I think it's fair to say the seventh generation had a difficult start.
I don't know that I find it plausible that a lot of the people buying PS2s in its afterlife were the sorts of people also buying 360s/PS3s at the same time. The people buying 360s and PS3s in years one and two already had PS2s. The afterlife PS2s were being bought by people who didn't have the budget for the HD twins because the HD twins launched expensive and stayed expensive.
demosthenes
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LOL, amazing.
Aquamarine
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Not in a position to look at the numbers at the moment...but off the top of my head, I believe this is the raw software SKU order:
Halo 3 > Halo 4 > Halo Reach > Halo > Halo 2 (excluding special edition)
...in the USA
I'm going off memory, so if I'm wrong on any one of the rankings, someone else please correct me
Manmademan
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Imru al-Qays;152005670 said:
the 360 only sold around the pace of the OG Xbox before the PS3 was a known quantity. by the time of the PS3 launch, it was RAPIDLY outselling it.
The seventh generation had no growing pains. your narrative is fiction.
BlackProdigy
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Dude are you serious? Bruh you sound crazy right now comparing the orders QTE snooze fest gameplay to Gears.
Welfare
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some of the QTE are optional, you can just shot and kill them.
Shyakugaun
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And you never played Gears confirmed, the fact people are even trying to compare the two is hilarious, Gears of War is one of the best 3rd person shooters ever (forget judgment lol)
CosmicQueso
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Sigh.
We are talking sales potential, erm, "bruh".
The argument being made was that the sales potential could be like Gears, but then someone else said that it is not likely due to no multiplayer.
Who cares about gameplay in an NPD thread.
The Mad Draklor
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Yeah... I'm going to trust the person who has actually played the game -__-"
Aquamarine
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Well...
That's just comparing raw software SKUs.
I think...if you were to combine Halo 2 + Halo 2: Special Edition, Halo 2 would be over Halo by a good amount.
Welfare
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Hmm.
Still, pretty nice to get "some" update on Halo sales, even if it didn't include numbers.
You haven't given one reason why you think x1 will win the year. Every ps4 game mentioned will have no impact according to you. Even though X1 has no games close to the games mentioned in that time frame. Your opinion seems to be based on your preference and nothing else.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Duxxy3
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I think there's a chance that February breaks the streak for amazon. January was closer than I thought it would be.
Amazon was giving PS+ and then mordor, something that other retailers weren't doing. Also don't think the order will shift consoles.
LOL, I cant stop laughing.
Aquamarine
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Sorry about that.
Let me rack my brain...
Halo is a little over 4 million.
Halo 2 is nearly 4 million by itself....and I think....the special edition adds another 1.5 million?
Halo 3 is.....did it hit 7 million?
Ugh I can't remember...sorry man.
Welfare
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Imru al-Qays
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I assume by "by the time of the PS3 launch" you mean "several months after the PS3's launch," because at the time of the PS3's launch the 360 and the original Xbox sales numbers were pretty similar, at least according to Road's wonderful graph (in which the 360's sales totals at the time of the PS3's launch show up at month 12):
Don't know why you think the Wii's sales are relevant to the health of the broader console market now when a few pages ago you didn't. Either the Wii is an unrepresentative outlier or it's a normal console, it can't be both.
Edit: your graph didn't load for me when I first read your post, I see you're going by worldwide numbers.
KoopaTheCasual
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I don't think there's any chance that the PS4 loses February.
joecanada
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Ya I played gears plenty thanks and yes its one of the best playing third person shooters ever, right.
Story is laughable.
Order may or may not be better, theme looks better but video games stories you never know.
We have a Vita number?
DannyDanger
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I hate that ppl act like Gears is the holy grail of TPS. And pretend it's a fact that cannot be questioned.
I've played a ton tps' including gears... And I really have not seen anything that puts it's head and shoulders above any other tps.
Personally I enjoyed Binary Domain alot more
Edit: Uncharted to me is the best tps because of how varied the gameplay is. But I guess technically it wouldn't qualify as a tps
Aquamarine
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Not unless you read *everything*.
Manmademan
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Imru’ al-Qays;152007989 said:
you're not listening to what I said. The 360's sales picked up and took off AFTER the PS3 hit shelves and was a known quantity. It's first year sales weren't anything to write home about, since everyone was waiting to see what Sony would do. Once it was clear that "what Sony would do" was exactly what microsoft was doing for $150 more, the core market all went and bought 360s. That's why "launch aligning" the first year of the 360 doesn't make any sense. most people didn't jump in until year two, which is what the economist graph shows.
The wii sales WERE relevant when you consider what was competition for the PS2 at that time. The PS2 was a low cost, sixth gen console competing directly for sales dollars with the wii, which was close to it in performance. AT THAT TIME, the casual market was still picking up cheap consoles to play the occasional game or watch a movie.
Tablets and smartphones changed that game midway through the generation. The current casual audience is more likely to use an iphone or ipad for this. That market is gone as of 2010/2011 and isn't coming back, so talking about the wii to the state of the current market is pointless.
joecanada
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Gears is quality but if you compare it in pure quality to other third person shooters you could throw in other third person action games like uncharted and others and there's plenty of quality in that genre, Gears isn't some enigma unless you only ever owned one console
One is both #1 and making profits. I'll let you take a guess as to which one.
November is Microsofts best chance based on Halo 5 alone. I don't think they have any other AAA releases before then that can actually make a difference.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yup, just shy of 30k!