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NPD Sales Results for September 2015 [Up2: Nintendo Numbers]

Yurikerr

This post isn't by me, it's by a guy with the same username as me.
We got over it. Problem is, so did everyone else.

What did people expected, the console to stay putting those crazy numbers for a decade?

Yes, we know that the Wii sales dropped like a rock, that motion gaming boom is no more. But it's getting tiresome to read the same old arguments trying to discredit the console in every sales related thread.

You don't like the Wii because A, B or C? OK, fair enough, but at the end of the day it sold 100+ million , it's the 3rd best selling home console and that was achieved because people the wanted the damn thing.
 

Xenus

Member
Ooooh, Red Robin. Chocolate Milk Shakes for your dinner drink. Sometimes I'm glad there's not one anywhere near me. Have enough trouble trying to keep my weight under control! lol



Gracias!

There's one 5 mins from my work. That uberburger with Candied bacon is glorious.
 

AniHawk

Member
The wii is nothing like a normal cycle, it went from being the most dominating console ever early on and ended up only selling just 10% more then other consoles be the end of the gen, no console has dominated that bad with so little third party support, and no console sold over 100 million had its successor be irrelevant, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

according to this there were over 1,000 games on the wii. out of the 900m+ units in software on the wii, approximately 500m of sales came from third-party games that's as much software as the game boy or nes sold over a ten year span. pretty sure third-party support wasn't an issue on the wii.
 

allan-bh

Member
The wii is nothing like a normal cycle, it went from being the most dominating console ever early on and ended up only selling just 10% more then other consoles be the end of the gen, no console has dominated that bad with so little third party support, and no console sold over 100 million had its successor be irrelevant, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I meant normal cycle in duration. PS3/360 was unusually long.
 
What did people expected, the console to stay putting those crazy numbers for a decade?

Yes, we know that the Wii sales dropped like a rock, that motion gaming boom is no more. But it's getting tiresome to read the same old arguments trying to discredit the console every sales related thread.

You don't like the Wii because A, B or C? OK, fair enough, but at the end of the day it sold 100+ million , it's the 3rd best selling home console and that was achieved because people the wanted the damn thing.

This all started because people referred to it as a "fad". I don't think anyone's disagreeing that the Wii sold a shit ton. It did. But even I would refer to it as a "fad" given how it started off, how it peaked and how it's sales dropped off and the mind share of the system completely evaporated.

It has nothing to do with discrediting the system.
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
Edit:
By the way, at this point, I'm looking at 89K for Wii U (PS4 and XB1 were down YOY according to the VB article; not Wii U) and 120K for 3DS (that's what I get with a 24% YTD YOY increase).

We know 3DS is under 129k... i think we should use 125k.
Even because i predicted 130k and since i probabily overestimated a lot PS4 and XB1 i need at least one close prediction. :p
 

Angel_DvA

Member
I usually don't post in these threads, but I just want to say that it makes me sad that MGSV didn't come out on top this month, and that wholly original games like Destiny and Mario Maker were beaten by not just NBA's launch month, but Madden and FIFA as well. :( I mean, I totally understand, I just wish original content were valued more.

Not gonna happen.
 
I'm guessing since people are arguing whether the Wii was a fad or not, that we haven't gotten numbers outside of what's in the OP yet?
 

AniHawk

Member
This all started because people referred to it as a "fad". I don't think anyone's disagreeing that the Wii sold a shit ton. It did. But even I would refer to it as a "fad" given how it started off, how it peaked and how it's sales dropped off and the mind share of the system completely evaporated.

It has nothing to do with discrediting the system.

my issue with it would be how the rest of the market looks. the dedicated market as a whole is shrinking and nintendo was hit the hardest, but localizing the issue to the wii doesn't paint an accurate picture. everyone did awesome last gen. everyone's going to feel it in some way this gen.
 

BokehKing

Banned
Until NPD starts accounting for digital software sales I don't see any reason to compare software sales to last year at all, let alone last gen
 

dakun

Member
according to this there were over 1,000 games on the wii. out of the 900m+ units in software on the wii, approximately 500m of sales came from third-party games that's as much software as the game boy or nes sold over a ten year span. pretty sure third-party support wasn't an issue on the wii.

oh come one.. you can't be serious.

the top 10 or 20 Wii games sold are almost exclusively Nintendo games safe for 1-2 Ubisoft games.

The Wii had a huge 3rd party problem. (same as the WiiU) it was almost exclusively shovel ware and that's part of it's legacy.
 

jjonez18

Member
So much sugar, yet so little sugar :(

So MGSV at least outsold MGS4 right? Has Madden always been this strong in its second month?
 
Seem legit.
NO.

And you can use the Quarter report thread for the WW sales.

Yeah a dead quarter report topic as opposed to monthly NPD topics that are active. You don't like worldwide talk then ignore it...

Worldwide is more important yet it gets downplayed for obvious reasons.
 

AniHawk

Member
oh come one.. you can't be serious.

the top 10 or 20 Wii games sold are almost exclusively Nintendo games safe for 1-2 Ubisoft games.

The Wii had a huge 3rd party problem. it was almost exclusively shovel ware and that's part of it's legacy.

the most popular platforms regularly get shovelware because it's a sign that it's an active audience that is inclined to buy a lot of stuff. this applies to pretty much every major platform in the past including the game boys, ds, nes, psx, ps2, and mobile.
 
Like i said, i think Mario Kart 8 worldwide should end at 8,000,000. (ship+digital)
How much do you think will sell Gran Turismo, 10 million? Yeah, should happen, but will be close imo.

That said, we are in a NPD thread, and we talk about USA sales. In the US, Mario Kart will beat Gran Turismo.
Has it ever?

On subject of GT, it'll probably do more around 12-14 million WW. GT5 was ballyhooed by a long dev time and the weakness of the PS3. GT6 was lost in the shuffle. Sony's going to market the hell out of GT7 and push to get it to a return of form, so it should do atleast slightly better than GT 5 and definitely much better than 6.
 

donny2112

Member
Lol that's nothing. Ever heard of Thurman's Cafe?

No. *Looks it up on Google* Oh, my.

thurman-cafe-columbus-oh.jpg
 
I'll be honest. I don't like discussions intentionally being blind sided by off-topic posting.

Ignore it and move on if it bothers you that much.
 

dakun

Member
the most popular platforms regularly get shovelware because it's a sign that it's an active audience that is inclined to buy a lot of stuff. this applies to pretty much every major platform in the past including the game boys, ds, nes, psx, ps2, and mobile.

that argument doesn't cut it when the Wii 3rd party was almost exclusively shovel ware unlike the PSX or PS2.
To say that the Wii had any meaningful, good 3rd party support (outside of a few Ubisoft titles worth mentioning ) is rewriting history.
 

On Demand

Banned
Yeah a dead quarter report topic as opposed to monthly NPD topics that are active. You don't like worldwide talk then ignore it...

I'll never understanding why some get bothered when WW sales are brought up. Yeah it's an NPD thread but it's still a sales thread. It's pretty hard not to bring up total sales.
 
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Deleted member 465307

Unconfirmed Member
Has it ever?

On subject of GT, it'll probably do more around 12-14 million WW. GT5 was ballyhooed by a long dev time and the weakness of the PS3. GT6 was lost in the shuffle. Sony's going to market the hell out of GT7 and push to get it to a return of form, so it should do atleast slightly better than GT 5 and definitely much better than 6.

I'm on mobile and not sure where I could find numbers, but I imagine Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart Wii must have sold more GT in the US, unless MK does TERRIBLY in the US or some version of GT has also sold on their level (I think they were each 20 or 30+ million). I don't know much about GT sales, so maybe that's the case.
 
Has it ever?

On subject of GT, it'll probably do more around 12-14 million WW. GT5 was ballyhooed by a long dev time and the weakness of the PS3. GT6 was lost in the shuffle. Sony's going to market the hell out of GT7 and push to get it to a return of form, so it should do atleast slightly better than GT 5 and definitely much better than 6.

Technically, Mario Kart Wii sold over 30 million. I know the Wii was an anomaly like GT6 was but still it did its thing. Mario Kart 8 will not touch GT7's sales however, and if it truly matters to some, I suggest waiting to see how Mario Kart 9 will do given how they might release closer to each other anyway

Best wishes.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Has it ever?

On subject of GT, it'll probably do more around 12-14 million WW. GT5 was ballyhooed by a long dev time and the weakness of the PS3. GT6 was lost in the shuffle. Sony's going to market the hell out of GT7 and push to get it to a return of form, so it should do atleast slightly better than GT 5 and definitely much better than 6.

Has Mario Kart ever done more than Grand Turismo in the US?


ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

that argument doesn't cut it when the Wii 3rd party was almost exclusively shovel ware unlike the PSX or PS2.
To say that the Wii had any meaningful, good 3rd party support (outside of a few Ubisoft titles worth mentioning ) is rewriting history.

I guess that depends on what counts as shovelware
 

John Harker

Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Until NPD starts accounting for digital software sales I don't see any reason to compare software sales to last year at all, let alone last gen

You don't think it's valuable for publishers to see how robust the retail market is and what the trends are for the mass consumer?
 

donny2112

Member
I'll never understanding why some get bothered when WW sales are brought up. Yeah it's an NPD thread but it's still a sales thread. It's pretty hard not to bring up total sales.

I think the issue is when WW sales are brought up to refute a point made about regional sales. Discussing WW sales when the discussion is about WW sales shouldn't be an issue.

Since this is becomed a food thread, who like Pizza? :p

pizza_margherita.jpg

I recently got into Papa John's margherita pizzas, and the basil topping is really interesting!
 

AniHawk

Member
that argument doesn't cut it when the Wii 3rd party was almost exclusively shovel ware unlike the PSX or PS2.
To say that the Wii had any meaningful, good 3rd party support (outside of a few Ubisoft titles worth mentioning ) is rewriting history.

the third-party games that sold the best were generally music games like just dance and guitar hero, platformers like sonic and mickey, or sports and fitness games like tiger woods and the zumba titles. licensed games like lego and star wars also did pretty well on the machine. and of course the third-party games that were multiplatform generally did worse than the other two platforms, but would sell hundreds of thousands or even over a million units.

if you're talking about the kinds of games that were well-crafted and fun to play, there was a lot of variation, especially within genres that didn't get a whole lot of play on other platforms, especially platformers, puzzle games, and light gun shooters. if you missed out on those and others, it's not really the fault of the publishers.
 
oh come one.. you can't be serious.

the top 10 or 20 Wii games sold are almost exclusively Nintendo games safe for 1-2 Ubisoft games.

The Wii had a huge 3rd party problem. (same as the WiiU) it was almost exclusively shovel ware and that's part of it's legacy.

No, it's not the same at all. If you actually believe the Wii U has the same level of third party support as the Wii did, you haven't been paying any attention. Every single third party in existence supported Wii, including publishers like Rockstar. It wasn't the same level of support that 360 and PS3 saw but it was still very, very strong, particularly during the first four years of Wii's life.
 
Since this is becomed a food thread, who like Pizza? :p

pizza_margherita.jpg
of course the Italian is shilling for pizza
Has it ever?

On subject of GT, it'll probably do more around 12-14 million WW. GT5 was ballyhooed by a long dev time and the weakness of the PS3. GT6 was lost in the shuffle. Sony's going to market the hell out of GT7 and push to get it to a return of form, so it should do atleast slightly better than GT 5 and definitely much better than 6.

MK64>GT1/2, MKDD>GT4, MKWii/DS>anything

yeah?
 

Mory Dunz

Member
the third-party games that sold the best were generally music games like just dance and guitar hero, platformers like sonic and mickey, or sports and fitness games like tiger woods and the zumba titles. licensed games like lego and star wars also did pretty well on the machine. and of course the third-party games that were multiplatform generally did worse than the other two platforms, but would sell hundreds of thousands or even over a million units.

if you're talking about the kinds of games that were well-crafted and fun to play, there was a lot of variation, especially within genres that didn't get a whole lot of play on other platforms, especially platformers, puzzle games, and light gun shooters. if you missed out on those and others, it's not really the fault of the publishers.

but they weren't gta or battlefield, therefore doesn't count.

/s
 

dakun

Member
No, it's not the same at all. If you actually believe the Wii U has the same third party support as the Wii did, you haven't been paying any attention.

didn't mean to say it's the exact same.. but if i had to put together a list of 3 problems both consoles have.. 3rd party support would be in the list for both.
 

Welfare

Member
I think the question is more who doesn't like Pizza? Heathens that's who...

But do we lump those that eat pizza with forks with the heathens, or do we make a separate group?

I'm actually interested in the sales ratio between the XB1 and PS4 versions of MGSV.
 

Acerac

Banned
Ooh, I love fads!
Wii, Pokemon, Call of Duty... you can easily discount all the sales the series made because they were very popular at the time.

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donny2112

Member
But do we lump those that eat pizza with forks with the heathens, or do we make a separate group?

I think eating with a fork is okay if the pizza is so heavy with toppings that there's a real danger of it just spilling everywhere when you're trying to eat it. If you use a fork just to keep your hands clean, I think pizza may not be the right meal for you...
 
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