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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group

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zuckerberg bet on the wrong horse
 
Another big point here, is tech is tech, as a small-time developer myself, it doesn't matter if you are Putin or Trump himself, if your tech enables me to create the experience I've always dreamed of, and I can't do it anywhere else, I'm buying and making things with your tech.

The thing about Oculus is that this isn't the case, you can get just as good or better elsewhere. But I think the notion that devs actually care about the tech creator's morals is incredibly naiive or misjudged

edit: if the oculus was created with poached animal skins this could be a thing, but given the circumstsnces, it's unfortunate at worst and meaningless to most people interested in the product imo
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
But the thing is.....there is. Me an you and everyone on GAF get's on a computer almost every day and reads thread, and reads the internet. There is a staggering amount of people that don't.

Oh, those ignorant are on the internet, they are just on sites that post bullshit constantly.

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sure. but it's not just on the internet. it's on the tv. it's in the newspapers. it's everywhere. and i find that a lot of times, if you peel back their reasons on voting for trump, you get to a bit of a rotten core.

And I don't disagree but maybe those people can grow and be changed? Maybe their parents were racist and while they may not be they will be influenced by their vote. If from the time they were born they were taught one way, and grew up among only white people their perspective could be skewed. That's why we strive to help and to educate. It is not impossible for someone to change, and running out and insulting them really will not help. All it does is reinforce a negative connotation in their head.

I will always say we should fight against outright racism / judging a group of people. At the same time though we also need to be able to help those that may be willing to change.

Its a tough slope, and I totally understand. Its very easy to get angry and feel negative feelings towards others. Hell its something we all fight against. And we absolutely SHOULD stand up against something like Trump who wants to just further race confrontation. I'm just warning against being outright hostile to those that we don't know. Those that are just a face or just a name, or just a random someone on Twitter.

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Oh, those ignorant are on the internet, they are just on sites that post bullshit constantly.

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Very true
 
Decided to check Twitter before bed and saw that Palmer Luckey is trending.

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Just the first few tweets I saw. And there are tons of websites, not just gaming ones, reporting on it as well. This is spreading fast.
 
I totally understand that, but the point I'm driving is that doesn't make 'most people's' assessment any less wrong and short-sighted or lazy. But that's a far deeper discussion than the scope of this thread.

I should go to sleep but I feel like I'm going to miss the shit storm
Well doesn't that depend on your definition of what being a bad person is, which is always going to be subjective and lack any real intimate knowledge of the individual themself?

I usually avoid political threads on GAF because I find them too volatile and quick to judge, which is what I'm assuming you're also decrying here, but I don't feel this is the situation to do it. Even ignoring politics this seems fairly open and shut case.
 

Neiteio

Member
That tweet about "Luckey somehow found a way to make the phrase 'PC master race' even more uncomfortable" is pure gold

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Oh I get it. The shit that used to come out of this guy's mouth was not because of his bad PR game but because he is genuinely a true, grade a, fucking asshole.

Regardless of his influence on Oculus now, I hope Carmack gets himself the fuck out of there.
 

EmSeta

Member
But the thing is.....there is. Me an you and everyone on GAF get's on a computer almost every day and reads thread, and reads the internet. There is a staggering amount of people that don't.

Listen I will never advocate for blatant painting of an entire group of people in a certain light. Everyone is an individual and we should be striving to help one another and lift each other up. We shouldn't be trying to tear one another down and be non forgiving. People can change and they can grow.

At the end of the day "Us vs Them" is ALWAYS a dangerous path to go down. Always. Each person is different and is a victim of the circumstances they grew up and were raised in. We should strive to educate and help those around us.

Great post. I hate Trump and will do what I can to stop him, but I just don't believe that trying to one-up each other in shitting and vomiting on his supporters is effective or ethical. All it does is create more hate.
 

FlyinJ

Douchebag. Yes, me.
Another big point here, is tech is tech, as a small-time developer myself, it doesn't matter if you are Putin or Trump himself, if your tech enables me to create the experience I've always dreamed of, and I can't do it anywhere else, I'm buying and making things with your tech.

The thing about Oculus is that this isn't the case, you can get just as good or better elsewhere. But I think the notion that devs actually care about the tech creator's morals is incredibly naiive or misjudged

I can imagine a lot of minority and women developers not wanting to popularize a product whose profits will go into an organization that is actively trying to make their lives worse.
 

Krejlooc

Banned
My prevailing thought is how incredibly stupid this is. This entire situation is ridiculously, enormously stupid. What a stupid way to waste your money. You threw money at goddamn 8chan to make memes. This is what 24 year old near-billionaires spend their money on. It juxtaposes the image from their post about scotch on private jets. This is trashy and low-class as you can get.

If you wanted to be the youthful, intelligent face of a technology revolution, you probably shouldn't dress yourself in such low-brow activity.
 
I'm sorry, you mean well but I have little sympathy. "Scumbag" is about as soft a barbed form of name-calling I can think of. A lot of these people have shown that they don't care when they're shown increasing evidence of the effects of placing Trump in any officious authority position could bring to a lot of decent people in this country. They don't want to be informed or educated.

We've moved past compassion for those supporters who do so out of desperation at this point, and believe you me, I humored the idea for a long time that some of his supporters were those who felt like they were being left behind. They now know how a lot of other people felt their whole lives.

Yeah I understand. Some of the stuff I see is shocking that Trump supporters believe. That Obama is a Muslim Terrorist born in Kenya and secretly wants the US destroyed? What the fuck? Listen people should be called out on bull shit like that.

But I think they should be called out with fact and education instead of insults. I'm not saying they should be totally left off the hook and say what they are feeling is fine or justified, just that they should be presented the cold hard truth regularly and often.

If they still refuse then at that point, they are a lost cause and your attention and time should be focused on someone else.

Sorry I'm posting so much everyone just enjoying the discussion.
 
This has to be a publicity stunt. Tomorrow we're gonna find out his account was "hacked" and oh by the way the Oculus Connect conference is October 5-7th, tune in for some new stuff.

Someone tell me I'm right so I can maintain some level of sanity.
 
This has to be a publicity stunt. Tomorrow we're gonna find out his account was "hacked" and oh by the way the Oculus Connect conference is October 5-7th, tune in for some new stuff.

Someone tell me I'm right so I can maintain some level of sanity.

He's been flying under the radar with these views for a while. Look at his twitter history, his girlfriend, and the other company he keeps. This isn't a stunt.
 

Neiteio

Member
Yeah I understand. Some of the stuff I see is shocking that Trump supporters believe. That Obama is a Muslim Terrorist born in Kenya and secretly wants the US destroyed? What the fuck? Listen people should be called out on bull shit like that.

But I think they should be called out with fact and education instead of insults. I'm not saying they should be totally left off the hook and say what they are feeling is fine or justified, just that they should be presented the cold hard truth regularly and often.

If they still refuse then at that point, they are a lost cause and your attention and time should be focused on someone else.

Sorry I'm posting so much everyone just enjoying the discussion.
Well-said.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
This has to be a publicity stunt. Tomorrow we're gonna find out his account was "hacked" and oh by the way the Oculus Connect conference is October 5-7th, tune in for some new stuff.

Someone tell me I'm right so I can maintain some level of sanity.

Don't look at his girlfriend's twitter.
 
In case anyone still had any respect or interest in the man or his work.
Prior to this, what did Luckey do to piss off gaf? I always thought he was likable and thought pretty much everyone else did too. Did I miss some threads where he was otherwise linked to racist conservatism? I seem to vaguely recall something recently he did that wasn't related to this, but I don't recall when exactly he lost gafs apparent confidence.

Part of me wants to believe that this is not what it looks like, that maybe the article is lying to make him look like a giant jackass because if true it's not only terribly disappointing, it's also just... bizarre.
 
Decided to check Twitter before bed and saw that Palmer Luckey is trending.

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Just the first few tweets I saw. And there are tons of websites, not just gaming ones, reporting on it as well. This is spreading fast.

So.. I don't use twitter at all but is that image implying that Palmer Luckey follows Mike Cernovich, the rape apologist?
 

Nanashrew

Banned
Decided to check Twitter before bed and saw that Palmer Luckey is trending.

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Just the first few tweets I saw. And there are tons of websites, not just gaming ones, reporting on it as well. This is spreading fast.

Does that image say he follows Mike Cernovich? The "bro juice" lawyer who thinks that spiking a woman's and having your way with her drink isn't rape.
 

Branduil

Member
This has to be a publicity stunt. Tomorrow we're gonna find out his account was "hacked" and oh by the way the Oculus Connect conference is October 5-7th, tune in for some new stuff.

Someone tell me I'm right so I can maintain some level of sanity.
Did someone also hack his racist girlfriend?
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I understand. Some of the stuff I see is shocking that Trump supporters believe. That Obama is a Muslim Terrorist born in Kenya and secretly wants the US destroyed? What the fuck? Listen people should be called out on bull shit like that.

But I think they should be called out with fact and education instead of insults. I'm not saying they should be totally left off the hook and say what they are feeling is fine or justified, just that they should be presented the cold hard truth regularly and often.

If they still refuse then at that point, they are a lost cause and your attention and time should be focused on someone else.

Sorry I'm posting so much everyone just enjoying the discussion.

I think we're just about past that. I liked this article related to the topic:

http://magafeed.com/gq-to-trump-supporters-fuck-you-no-seriously-go-fuck-yourselves/

Obviously still call people out, but anyone who supports Trump at this point is not ignorant of Trump being a terrible person. They simply agree with him, because they too are terrible people.

Prior to this, what did Luckey do to piss off gaf? I always thought he was likable and thought pretty much everyone else did too. Did I miss some threads where he was otherwise linked to racist conservatism? I seem to vaguely recall something recently he did that wasn't related to this, but I don't recall when exactly he lost gafs apparent confidence.

Part of me wants to believe that this is not what it looks like, that maybe the article is lying to make him look like a giant jackass because if true it's not only terribly disappointing, it's also just... bizarre.

Racist-as-hell GamerGater girlfriend... Maybe some Bronyism? Self-admitted channer, too.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
This has to be a publicity stunt. Tomorrow we're gonna find out his account was "hacked" and oh by the way the Oculus Connect conference is October 5-7th, tune in for some new stuff.

Someone tell me I'm right so I can maintain some level of sanity.

Such a hiiiiilarioouuss publicity stunt!!! Oh Palmer, you old dog you got me good!
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Ugh. How disappointing, to say the least.

I know this is now a kind of proximity bias, but I suddenly find myself a lot more inclined to believe Bethesda's accusations against him 🤔
 
I can imagine a lot of minority and women developers not wanting to popularize a product whose profits will go into an organization that is actively trying to make their lives worse.

I think it's too indirectly supported by your money to be taken that seriously, enough to persuade you tk persue another platform. Of course if the platform you're comparing Oculus to is neck-and-neck, rather than a coin-toss, the political afilliation might come into play but I still doubt it even for the majority of female and minority developers in the market to invest in this.
 

Hatty

Member
Prior to this, what did Luckey do to piss off gaf? I always thought he was likable and thought pretty much everyone else did too. Did I miss some threads where he was otherwise linked to racist conservatism? I seem to vaguely recall something recently he did that wasn't related to this, but I don't recall when exactly he lost gafs apparent confidence.

Part of me wants to believe that this is not what it looks like, that maybe the article is lying to make him look like a giant jackass because if true it's not only terribly disappointing, it's also just... bizarre.
I didn't like him due to him going back on his word and allowing for Oculus to be a closed platform and making exclusivity deals. This whole mess takes it up a few notches though.
 
why is it always when some one is outed as a racist or supporting a racist in come the people telling us that we shouldn't be angry or give up on them and that they don't know any better and must be taught

this is a 24 year old man. he grew up in a freaking hippy dippy state. he's smart enough to invent some virtual reality shit but not smart enough to tell the difference between right and wrong
 

NateDrake

Member
What a disaster. Shame I'm seeing folks on my Twitter feed that are defending him. Makes me lose respect for those individuals.
 

Shaneus

Member
Has anyone seen Luckey's gf twitter feed?

No surprise this guy funds white supremacist groups...
So maybe he's just doing all this to try and impress her? Guys act like dickheads all the time to try and prove themselves to women, perhaps that's why he's so boastful about it.
 
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