That doesn't matter at all when the results are the same. Hair splitting on "motivation" is insulting to everyone who has to deal with this toxicity.
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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
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jono51
Banned
I've read this article like three times now and seriously can't wrap my head around wtf Palmer was thinking.
1. Make anonymous account to drum up support for pro-Trump org.
2. Account gets called out as Milo shill/scam, gets chased off of fucking /r/The-Donald of all places
3. ???
4. Give an interview to the Daily Beast saying it was you all along
Just... what?
1. Make anonymous account to drum up support for pro-Trump org.
2. Account gets called out as Milo shill/scam, gets chased off of fucking /r/The-Donald of all places
3. ???
4. Give an interview to the Daily Beast saying it was you all along
Just... what?
Stone Ocean
Member
"I'm not racist! I just want racism to keep existing"
DirgeExtinction
Member
Lol, I love this comment on Facebook from someone replying to Eurogamer's post on this story:
Agree with the latter part of your post, but... I'm pretty sure the bolded is not what silicon valley is
"gamergate taught me better"
brilliant
The Elite
BOSS
I own a Rift. Not much I can do now and I have no interest in going through the trouble of selling it. I think I am going to hold out on those Touch controllers until they do something about Palmer though.
Though, if we go through the trouble of boycotting products that may have ties to shitbag human beings I wouldn't be surprised if we would end up with a long list.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Has something been corroborated over night? That Daily Beast article was taking a random Reddit users messages as gospel that they were Palmer Luckey and nothing else?
I'm no fan of the guy, he's a cocky idiot manchild at the best of times, but the Daily Beast is about to get Gawker'd if they just took some internet trolls words at face value especially now other rags have reposted it.
I'm no fan of the guy, he's a cocky idiot manchild at the best of times, but the Daily Beast is about to get Gawker'd if they just took some internet trolls words at face value especially now other rags have reposted it.
Indeed.
Saying that nominally socially normal people don't like being categorised as racist or sexist so they react in pretty racist and sexist ways isn't exactly a defence.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
It's been proven that as people get older they become much more insular and their social circles become less mixed. I wouldn't call them white supremacist, but rather insular and ignorant and therefore enabling white supremacist. Which is only not as bad for their self concsience, but still bad at a macro level.
E-Cat
Member
The mods certainly didn't tolerate his tolerance of intolerance.And sometimes to stay sober you gotta get a little drunk!
Oh trust me there are plenty of conservatives in the valley. They just tend to be the insufferable trust fund Ayn Rand variety.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Well this has made my fence sitting on which VR headset to buy post-touch an easy decision. Disappointing though, and I feel for the guys like Iribe and Carmack at Oculus.
At the very least his girlfriend has been exposed, and she's awful. I doubt he'd stay with her if he was shocked by her ideas.
I didn't saying anything about accepting racists. If you don't understand the saying that's fine.
I really don't think it will take long. Something will happen to him very soon. His world will be crumbling right this second. I feel bad for him, this bullshit notwithstanding.
the article has direct quotes from luckey himself stating his involvement. so unless the daily beast is insane enough to fabricate that, it seems pretty cut and dry.
Felix Lighter
Member
The article quotes Palmer Luckey directly. If they fabricated the story, then they decided yesterday to blatantly commit libel against a near billionaire. Maybe they did but I have a hard time believing this was the story they would go with to destroy their site.
Yeah. Those post of hers certainly are damning, and they do give this whole story a bit more context which is important to understand.
Yeah, standing in the exact same place myself.
Well, if that's not proof that it was his account....
There is when a thread is made about them, though?
This isn't mere ignorance, this guy knows what he's doing. He is deflecting and being disingenuous on purpose.
I am seriously at a loss for words... How can you not see it?!
Arguably the most damning part is the fact that the account and all of its posts were deleted almost immediately after the article went live. Regardless of how unfounded the DB's article may or may not be, that looks like a very guilty set of actions.
People need to learn this shit. If there's something you will regret posting on the internet, just don't post it. Deleting it after the fact does exactly nada.
Still shit logic
7DollarHagane
Banned
I don't see where gaf is making the white supremecist connection. It's a much more serious and harmful accusation.
Unless you just believe that trump support = white supremecist then I guess that's the story.
Wanda/Wander
Member
You don't have to feel bad for him he's in his twenties and he's rich enough to never have to work another day of his life. If he gets fired he'll probably become an analyst on Fox News or something
I think to be more accurate it would be something like...
"I'm not racist! I just don't believe in racism because I am in a privileged position to have never experienced racism in my circles and I don't care about it. I am also too self-centered and callous to ever think of myself in any other person's position, so I will conclude that anyone who claims racism still exists must have ulterior motives. I believe all of this because it is easier for me to find fault in victims to preserve the stability of my world view so I don't have to change anything about myself, rather than to accept that there might be flaws in a social system which already benefits me greatly. If you feel otherwise, fuck you!"
This is the MO of the modern racist. Philosophically and ideologically different from racists in previous generations maybe, but still just as racist. Willful ignorance or delusion that is detrimental to society is no less dangerous than active violent action. If allowed to fester and be accepted as a harmless thing, it could even do more damage.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
I always thought that there was something off about him, what a piece of shit.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Im curious how FB is going to handle the PR on this.
Because he doesnt out right say it, its been the lie people tell themselves about polticians for decades that use racist dog whistles they mention race without saying id directly. People arent putting up with that shit anymore.
He is one, the alt-qaeda are a bunch of people who are okay with terrorizing people based on shitty political beliefs and fuck palmer luckey for supporting anything related to that.
Its high time we stop giving people like that a free pass hatred and hate speech is awful and anyone defending people who call for violent acts or to willfully marginalize a group of people I will never defend it.
EventHorizon
Member
As I understand things the alt-right are too new to be blamed for much yet. They are not in opposition in the sense they caused much bi-partisan rifts, they seem to actively dislike the tea party - who have been the reflex oppositional political force.
They are this guy
and the people who admire him. Dis-affected, trollish, they believe there is no truth anymore. Trump is ideal for them because he has no beliefs either. They are modern version of 70s punks doing things for lols and the camera, while the establishment looks on, horrified. They live for publicity and shock value. If they get real political power they probably would tear each other apart arguing about what to do with it.
The alt-right are the same type of people who the republicans courted during their southern strategy to flip the south and give them a solid voting block. The alt-right by themselves aren't a powerful group. It's the gyrations the republicans are doing to use this group to gain and maintain power that is giving them an outsized effect. How many times have you heard traditional republicans say to hold you nose and vote for Trump because of the supreme court or abortion?
Building a physical wall on the southern border...
...or deporting 11.4 illegal aliens
...or starting a war with Iran over an insult
...or a US nuclear strike in europe
...or a religious test for immigration
...or admiring strong men leaders with human rights abuses
...or...(you get the point)
...are now all now real political positions, and not just something to be laughed at, due to the support given to Trump from the alt-right. They have definitely left their mark on our political landscape.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Oh my god. I didn't know of his previous friendliness with alt right stuff, so this is a shock to me. Shocked and disappointed.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I mean the man is an idiot sure, but just emailing Daily Beast back "yeah sure i had a secret account on reddit and I'm funding a bunch of online sociopath meme makers" is... I dunno? Theres a sudden leap in the article where it doesn't really make sense for Luckey to have been in contact with the Beast.
Trolls are even more aware of how to make stuff look legit with a quick delete. "What can I do to make this seem more real?" is meme magic in itself.
I mean I imagine we'll hear something shortly but I am super sceptical about this. Luckey would be confirmed the biggest fucking online idiot in a long time if it is true.
Some devs cancel Oculus support until he steps down:
https://twitter.com/ErwinVogelaar/status/779270901439336448
https://twitter.com/ErwinVogelaar/status/779270901439336448
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I am glad this is taking off. I await Facebook's response.
How could you support a racist if you don't believe or condone racist views?
CastleRybread
Member
KojiKnight
Member
Palmer came out in defense of the group because people were starting to say the group was fake and scamming people out of money. To do so, he had to out himself as the Nimble Rich Guy.
I don't feel bad for him like as a human - he'll be fine thanks to money - I just empathise with how stressful this shit is. I've experienced it once, on a tiny scale, and it was unbelievably horrible.
He fully deserves it, but I know exactly how it feels, and can still feel it myself, sitting at home with that gut-punch, sliced-open feeling of everything crumbling around you.
7DollarHagane
Banned
It's definitely a bad story for Palmer. I always thought he was a weird dude.
But white supremecist is a leap in logic I'm not really ready to make. Racist? Sure, I'll believe that. Anyone with as much money and disconnected from normal society as him would surprise me not to have some racist views.
I dont see it any different than people who support those groups that buy radio ads that talk about Hillary being corrupt or lying. It's just being done over the internet.
Its just because someone decided that a cartoon frog that has been an internet meme for years was a white supremecist meme.
But white supremecist is a leap in logic I'm not really ready to make. Racist? Sure, I'll believe that. Anyone with as much money and disconnected from normal society as him would surprise me not to have some racist views.
I dont see it any different than people who support those groups that buy radio ads that talk about Hillary being corrupt or lying. It's just being done over the internet.
Its just because someone decided that a cartoon frog that has been an internet meme for years was a white supremecist meme.
Everyone who works for OR must be in horror right now. I do not like Palmer, and now I like him even more. Yet I don't know if I'm willing to punish everyone else at OR, He's one of the driving forces at Oculus, but he's just the most visible, not the only one.
It's a bad situation all around. And it makes me want to not buy his product.
Theanine3D
Member
Money and youth can blind you and make you feel invincible. He probably didn't think it would matter to reveal this.
And in the longrun, it probably won't, since he's already filthy rich. He'll live the rest of his life in comfort regardless.
What a waste though, he'll now forever be remembered as the tech executive that donated to an alt-right online meme factory instead of to charity for starving children.
Wasn't he also listed as a founder of Nimble America until they removed it after this blew up? That sort of implicates him a little..
Bullshit. If you tolerate intolerance, the intolerant will eventually remove your right to be tolerant.
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