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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group

Man, what a stupid mistake on his part, though. I wonder how he would even come to think donating 10k to something like this would be a good idea, but to then also apparently admit to writing that one post on the_donald? He'll be hitting himself over the head over this one for a long time, I reckon.

Also, tolerate intolerance/the intolerant. I believe that might be the single most asinine thing I've ever heard anyone utter.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
I never had any doubts that I made the right choice but this is just solidifying my decision to buy the Vive instead of the Rift.

That doesn't matter at all when the results are the same. Hair splitting on "motivation" is insulting to everyone who has to deal with this toxicity.
"I'm not racist! I just want racism to keep existing"
I think to be more accurate it would be something like...

"I'm not racist! I just don't believe in racism because I am in a privileged position to have never experienced racism in my circles and I don't care about it. I am also too self-centered and callous to ever think of myself in any other person's position, so I will conclude that anyone who claims racism still exists must have ulterior motives. I believe all of this because it is easier for me to find fault in victims to preserve the stability of my world view so I don't have to change anything about myself, rather than to accept that there might be flaws in a social system which already benefits me greatly. If you feel otherwise, fuck you!"

This is the MO of the modern racist. Philosophically and ideologically different from racists in previous generations maybe, but still just as racist. Willful ignorance or delusion that is detrimental to society is no less dangerous than active violent action. If allowed to fester and be accepted as a harmless thing, it could even do more damage.
I agree with all of the above.
 

Anticol

Banned
Some devs cancel Oculus support until he steps down:
https://twitter.com/ErwinVogelaar/status/779270901439336448

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Where's the white supremacist connection? Read the article on Daily Beasts and seeing the ridiculous comments that Luckey made, but not seeing the connection.

What am I missing?
 
What a waste though, he'll now forever be remembered as the tech executive that donated to an alt-right online meme factory instead of to charity for starving children.
Don't think of it as a waste, a waste would be someone talented deciding to give up and retire or dying young.

This is just exposing a privileged piece of shit for the scum he seemingly is and he deserves to get repercussions because of him and his ilks actions. This isn't some trivial multiple choice where picking his current actions simply prevented him from succeeding ('oh what could have been'), instead he clearly holds abhorrent views and is willing to use his fortune to help those ideals grow globally which cannot be tolerated.
 

Wiseblood

Member
I was debating whether or not to buy a Rift or pony up the extra money for the Vive. Unless Facebook releases a statement wishing Palmer luck in his future endeavors then my decision got a whole lot easier.
 

Alucrid

Banned
I was debating whether or not to buy a Rift or pony up the extra money for the Vive. Unless Facebook releases a statement wishing Palmer luck in his future endeavors then my decision got a whole lot easier.

considering what his current endeavors are, i hope they don't wish him luck with his future ones

Apparently supporting Donald J. Trump and opposing crooked Hillary is racist or something...

go on
 

platocplx

Member
Where's the white supremacist connection? Read the article on Daily Beasts and seeing the ridiculous comments that Luckey made, but not seeing the connection.

What am I missing?
The group is known for Xenophobic, racist and sexist content he is supporting that. How is it so hard to connect the dots. It doesn't matter if he doesn't say out right hes a white supremacist. He is supporting a group that does it.
 
Where's the white supremacist connection? Read the article on Daily Beasts and seeing the ridiculous comments that Luckey made, but not seeing the connection.

What am I missing?
Associate with Milo Yianopulous and support Donald Trump... And you don't see the white supremacist connection?
 
Nearly 50% of the country (based on polling) is going to vote for Trump..are all those millions of people automatically white supremacists?
I know I'm responding to a banned poster, but... kinda?

White supremacy is a complex thing, and there's a broad spectrum between "sets crosses on fire" and "holds implicit, unquestioned beliefs about the relative status of the majority." Not all Trump supporters are avowed racists who say demonstrably racist things, but being a Trump supporter does require you to endorse, excuse, or at the very least acknowledge many of the demonstrably racist and white supremacist things he has talked about and prescribed. Even if you're voting Trump to deny Clinton or "for the lulz," you still need to reckon with what he and his campaign represent and the broad support they have garnered from principled white nationalists.

Being called a "white supremacist" is almost a slur in America, and it conjures up white hoods and Odin's crosses and skinheads. But you can be a white supremacist in very mild, very subtle, very insidious ways — such as being made uncomfortable hearing Spanish spoken in the grocery, or thinking that the Obamas don't look as "respectable" as previous first families, or wondering even idly about the woman in the headscarf behind you in the line for airport security. All of those things are founded in white unease, and many of those implicit fears are foisted on us by the society we live in, which is a fundamentally white supremacist one — as a matter of fact.

Because of history, because of culture, white supremacy is the current we swim in. It's hard not to be a white supremacist. But how much we dwell on that, how much we struggle against it, is up to us.
 

Nanashrew

Banned
Where's the white supremacist connection? Read the article on Daily Beasts and seeing the ridiculous comments that Luckey made, but not seeing the connection.

What am I missing?

Financially backing and funding Nimble America which has made and popularized pro-trump white supremacist and anti-semitic memes and ads?

It's right in the OP.
 

MUnited83

For you.
Where's the white supremacist connection? Read the article on Daily Beasts and seeing the ridiculous comments that Luckey made, but not seeing the connection.

What am I missing?
Dude posts on a white supremacist subreddit that he wants to support financially white supremacist memes in suppport of a white supremacist candidate.

Geeze Louise, I wonder where the white supremacist connection is!
 

EmSeta

Member
The white supremacy claim seems a bit dubious, even somewhat libelous. I think part of GAF wants to label any conservative leaning as white supremacy because it implicitly perpetuates a status quo of whites being in power, but that seems way too short sighted for me. You're not a white supremacist unless you openly state it. I'm a progressive as a disclaimer.

Yeah – I'm honestly curious – where are you people getting the white supremacy thing? I mean I clearly don't like his support for Trump (ew) but where did he state anything about white supremacy?

It doesn't strike me as very ethical, stamping someone with a label like that only based on connections and loose speculation. I'm not saying it's not true, I just can't find anything to corroborate it.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
Apparently supporting Donald J. Trump and opposing crooked Hillary is racist or something...

I love it when people say this without a hint of irony. Trump is one of the most crooked people on the planet, there's decades worth of material about his dodgy dealings. This is a dude who doesn't even want a moderator to fact check his statements in a debate be he knows he spews outright blatant lies.

I'm sure even you are aware he's a prolific liar and yet somehow a miracle in the universe occurs and you manage to post something like this without the slightest hint of irony. It's astonishing.
 
Financially backing and funding Nimble America which has made and popularized pro-trump white supremacist and anti-semitic memes and ads?

It's right in the OP.
No you see that's not quite racist enough for these people, seems to actually be considered racist you would need to wear a white hood, be carrying torches and calling for public lynchings and maybe then you could safely say they were.

Even then you might need to wait and hear both sides of the argument before conclusively deciding, just to be sure....
 

Regginator

Member
Apparently supporting Donald J. Trump and opposing crooked Hillary is racist or something...

I can understand opposing Hillary (not a big fan of her myself), but supporting Trump does mean you're either consciously supporting his bigoted views or at the very least condone it.
 

SomTervo

Member
Schrödinger's cat;217834154 said:
Crafty viral marketing:

Make reality a distasteful place to live in, get more people to live in virtual reality.

Schrödinger's cat
Member
(Today, 01:21 PM)

The quantum relationship between reality and virtual reality
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
Dude posts on a white supremacist subreddit that he wants to support financially white supremacist memes in suppport of a white supremacist candidate.

Geeze Louise, I wonder where the white supremacist connection is!
But he hasn't came out and said he is a white supremacist, therefore, he isn't.

That's the bar after all. Your actions mean nothing so long as you don't admit it. Or something. Am I doing it right Trump fans?
 
Dude posts on a white supremacist subreddit that he wants to support financially white supremacist memes in suppport of a white supremacist candidate.

Geeze Louise, I wonder where the white supremacist connection is!

Well, I mean... Being labeled a white supremacist is a pretty big deal, and in an entire other league than "simply" being "racist". Point being, there's enough here already to question his character. Maybe it'd be best if people were a little more prudent in specifically throwing these types of labels around when there is still a shadow of a doubt. Regarding the whole supremacy thing specifically, that is.
 
I can understand opposing Hillary (not a big fan of her myself), but supporting Trump does mean you're either consciously supporting his bigoted views or at the very least condone it.

This... if the only goal is to not support Hillary, there are other options out there.
 
Well, I mean... Being labeled a white supremacist is a pretty big deal, and in an entire other league than "simply" being "racist". Point being, there's enough here already to question his character. Maybe it'd be best if people were a little more prudent in specifically throwing these types of labels around when there is still a shadow of a doubt. Regarding the whole supremacy thing specifically, that is.

I'm not seeing the difference between being anti-nonwhite (racist) and being pro-white above everyone else (white supremecist) myself.

(edit) sanity edit.
 

SomTervo

Member
I know I'm responding to a banned poster, but... kinda?

White supremacy is a complex thing, and there's a broad spectrum between "sets crosses on fire" and "holds implicit, unquestioned beliefs about the relative status of the majority."

The word your looking for is 'structural'. Just like 'structural sexism', it's possible to have 'structural racism'. That is, people don't even realise their core beliefs may be racist or sexist because the social structure they live in sees those beliefs as normal.
 

Ozigizo

Member
This is so damn bizarre. If he doesn't come out and emphatically deny then...wow.

The casual way he lays it all out, like he doesn't care about the mammoth consequences. It's surreal.

Do we have anything outside of what the Reddit user said?

Look at his twitter likes and his gf's tweets. He's dating a white supremacist.
 

E-Cat

Member
I can understand opposing Hillary (not a big fan of her myself), but supporting Trump does mean you're either consciously supporting his bigoted views or at the very least condone it.
Or, thirdly, that you are opposed to his racist views BUT are willing to overlook them for the "greater good" (lol) that the GOP represents.
 
Yeah – I'm honestly curious – where are you people getting the white supremacy thing? I mean I clearly don't like his support for Trump (ew) but where did he state anything about white supremacy?

It doesn't strike me as very ethical, stamping someone with a label like that only based on connections and loose speculation. I'm not saying it's not true, I just can't find anything to corroborate it.

Other than the fact that with his racist girlfriend he's been supporting a white supremacist hate group that spreads hate memes using Pepe, an icon of white supremacists, to support a racist shitbag for president and sow FUD, there's not much else to go on. *Rolls eyes*
 

Alucrid

Banned
Yeah – I'm honestly curious – where are you people getting the white supremacy thing? I mean I clearly don't like his support for Trump (ew) but where did he state anything about white supremacy?

It doesn't strike me as very ethical, stamping someone with a label like that only based on connections and loose speculation. I'm not saying it's not true, I just can't find anything to corroborate it.

when you fund an organization, that's spun off from a subreddit known for its white supremacist memes, whose goal is to further aid in the proliferation of said memes, how is that not tacit approval of white supremacy? "I thought it sounded like a real jolly good time."

mmhm.
 

EmSeta

Member
Well, I mean... Being labeled a white supremacist is a pretty big deal, and in an entire other league than "simply" being "racist". Point being, there's enough here already to question his character. Maybe it'd be best if people were a little more prudent in specifically throwing these types of labels around when there is still a shadow of a doubt. Regarding the whole supremacy thing, specifically.

Exactly. I feel like it's a case of "He has horrible ideas, so we can call him any awful thing we can come up with!"

He DOES have horrible ideas. But the "white supremacy" thing is far fetched.
 
Dude posts on a white supremacist subreddit that he wants to support financially white supremacist memes in suppport of a white supremacist candidate.

Geeze Louise, I wonder where the white supremacist connection is!

But has he killed any black people while wearing a white robe and burning a cross? Anything less is reaching.

/s
 

theWB27

Member
Well, I mean... Being labeled a white supremacist is a pretty big deal, and in an entire other league than "simply" being "racist". Point being, there's enough here already to question his character. Maybe it'd be best if people were a little more prudent in specifically throwing these types of labels around when there is still a shadow of a doubt. Regarding the whole supremacy thing specifically, that is.

So it's simple to be racists but when you start throwing around the S word people need to stop so we don't hurt their racist feelings?
 

Sulik2

Member
Facebook needs to take action on this if its true. This is absolutely scummy and Palmer cannot be the face of oculus supporting white supremecists.
 
If he supported Trump because he was Republican and valued tax cuts for rich people and businesses and other things I disagree with, I could handle it. I'd disagree with him, but that's okay, that's life. He wants to be politically selfish, fine.
This is different.
 

friz898

Member
People have opinions. He has his.

Completely unrelated, how is the tech? Good, I'll buy it. Something better like the Vive or PSVR then I wont?

Politics don't have anything to do with it.
 
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