Magic Mushroom
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Ignorance at its worst.
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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
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Ignorance at its worst.
Are you for real? what don't you understand? We don't want our money to go funding organizations like this one, is that too hard to understand?
Already Torn
Banned
No, it was the other way around. People looking at white supremacy and saying "that's not white supremacy, he just wants all the brown people to stay out or leave"
OverBlood 3
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/trump-ohio-campaign-chair-no-racism-before-obama
Racism didn't exist before VR.
Racism didn't exist before VR.
Magic Mushroom
Member
There's nothing wrong with letting your fellow gamer know who they're buying products from and hoping they make the decision to not support a man who wants to elect a racist.
Shai-Tan
Banned
what did he actually say and what is insinuated by guilt by association? I see almost Reddit level brigading on any political issues here and the election season has made people make inferences that would be insane normally to try to score political points (keep in mind that people support poltical campaigns for many different reasons). It's gotten silly enough that people like Glenn Greenwald are calling out their side of the political spectrum for doing it
RavenSan
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Just because the guy's an idiot doesn't mean I should boycott his product. Separate the art from the artist, so to speak. I buy Nestle products, and they do some pretty shitty stuff. Everyone does stupid, horrible shit at one point or another. He funded a meme page. Is the stuff despicable? Sure. But it's not like he's funding a KKK rally. They're memes. I just don't agree with the outrage.
That said, I understand that not everyone shares my views. I hardly think that's an ignorant statement, and really, why the personal attack?
MrFrankFontaine
Banned
I'm not going to be to argue politics of supporting Trumo as A) I don't support him and B) there are people of all races that are supporting him.
I don't completely get it either. I'm just saying that just because you support him you are not a racists. They obviously see things worth supporting him that they are willing to overlook th BS.
I don't think Nimble America = ISIS. If my reading is accurate, it sole purpose is to help elect Trump and is not directly putting out white supremacist crap. It's just the founders that have been associated with White Supremacist crap. Therefore supporting Nimble America means supporting Trump. Not necessarily white supremacist even if the white supremacist are want Trump to win for their own agenda. Again, I could be wrong and Nimble America is posting white supremacist crap, but that's not what I read.
Uhhhh...see comment above.
Already Torn
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Why on Earth would you buy a product if you knew some of that money was going to advertising a president that wants to oppress you?
So yeah, politics matter.
Not a good argument.
You can't overlook the 2Hydrogen and still get water bruh
KojiKnight
Member
If purchasing the art, continues to support the artist who's doing things I don't agree with, I can do without the art and I'll encourage others to do the same.
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
I understand that view, but just because I don't personally subscribe to it, I don't feel like it gives anyone license to call me ignorant, racist, etc.
Already Torn
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It's even easier in this case because Occulus has been dead for a while now.
I wouldn't think this about someone who owned a Rift unless they also started defending Luckey. Maybe a little ignorant or uncaring too.
Barry Burton
Member
What on Earth justifies overlooking that? Are you kidding me?
It depends on whether or not there's a substitute that doesn't have the same problems, which, in this case, the vive does that. But, if we're being honest, some amount of all of our money goes to shitbags for one purchase or another.
Lord Radik
Member
Sadly one thing Palmer mentions in that article that is correct is the power of 'meme magic'. It blows me away how people will form their political ideology over a few stupid pictures with a handful of words. Just check your facebook feed to verify this statement.
The "art" oculus has been putting out? It's anti-consumer bullshit that undermines the entire burgeoning VR industry.
This is a case of an artist, who produces shitty art that actively hurts the market, being discovered to hate awful views behind his shitty art.
So you dont agree with his policies but you are voting for him.....
Magic Mushroom
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You're free to buy whatever you want, just like I'm free to comment on it.
You were quoting a post that stated politics have nothing to do with it, which you seemed to agree with. But if he's using his money to support the alt-right and a political hate campaign, politics have everything to do with it.
Shai-Tan
Banned
He also said he willingly supports the group.
I'm confused how one leaps from that to "white supremacy". What he said there could have been written in support of McCain in his 1998 candidacy for example ("special interests" buying government and such)
Fahzgoolin
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can you guys interpret what your idea of white suptemecists are? I'm genuinely confused. I thought it was white people believing they are of the superior race and therefore should control society.
That's not what I have gathered from reading those tweets/trump supporting?
That's not what I have gathered from reading those tweets/trump supporting?
Already Torn
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He's a vocal supporter of Donald Trump. His girlfriends tweets are also pretty blatant.
What do you think "Make America Great Again" means?
SpartanN92
Banned
Hell if we are really being honest our damn taxes are going to a whole lot of shitbags (on either side).
letmetrythisname
Member
First he steals code and now this? Jesus.
I'm not going to buy Oculus, (never was and this just cements it more so), but to be fair, Palmer already has his money. Buying it or not buying it probably doesn't effect his income much.
E-Cat
Member
I guess you'll just have to improve your reading skills, then.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
What a shitlord, I won't be going near Oculus while he's still around.
He didn't "steal code."
Shake Appeal
Member
John McCain, for all his failings, is a better man and was a more qualified candidate than Donald Trump.
Barry Burton
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"I'm not racist, I'm just voting for the racist by simply overlooking the part where he's a racist. Totally not a deal-breaker."
EventHorizon
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That's the exact same thing as supporting Trump. You may not like everything he does, but you are still supporting him if you vote for him.
It also means that you don't view the things he does that you disagree with as being all that bad. For example, if Trump came out in support of underage prostitution, I doubt many of those people would still be looking for the "greater good". I've seen this attitude with surprisingly candid people I've talked to. They might not like something a candidate does, but if it doesn't affect them directly, it's not so bad. If a white person uses this logic to overlook the Trump's plans for minorities, then that is racist. They are literally relying on their race to avoid the negative effects of a Trump presidency.
KojiKnight
Member
It's semantics whether you are pro-white above everyone else, or anti-brown really.
letmetrythisname
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lol I don't know if he did or not, I just wanted to talk shit.
MrFrankFontaine
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I agree. I can't overlook it either. My comment is just that there are people of all races that are overlooking it and this does not make the supporter racists.
No idea what you are talking about, but guessing it has something to do with connecting the dots...
It's not an argument. It's a fact actually. Personally I think Trump is racists. That's my opinion. However, there are people that support him that either don't think he is or overlook it due to being sick of the old and dated political system.
All I'm saying is that a supporter of Trump may be racists, but being a supporter of Trump does not automatically make you a racists.
DryvBy
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Man, those people are incredible racist. The people in the video.
E-Cat
Member
Oh, I agree. But it helps to understand where those people are coming from.
Giftofgab24
Member
Truth. Realpolitik 101. The two party system is not gonna get broken this year. Withholding your vote from Hillary is a terrible idea.
Felix Lighter
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He was always pretty famous. As a super rich guy with his name on buildings and casinos in the 80s and 90s. Then as a reality tv host in the 2000s and then as a full on racist asshole with the birther movement. 4 years ago Trump's most notable stance was that Obama was a muslim foreigner, that illegally accepted the POTUS office.
Fahzgoolin
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I haven't been following either candidate closely anymore because I'm disgusted with both of them. I'm disgusted with the political game our system has created.
Your interpretation of that slogan seems negatively interpreted because you disagree with Trump's policies.
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Why are you being rude?
I mean, I just skimmed through them. I just saw typical #vote4trump shlock.
Diddy Kong
Banned
VR and Trump are both doomed so it's nice to see them sticking together
Inferno313
Banned
A riot is the language of the unheard - MLK
Trump is a racist.
Already Torn
Banned
Yes, because his policies are in favor of white supremacy. Those are the only concrete policies he has.
guggnichso
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I just want to comment on people saying "meh, he supports some shitty political candidate, that doesn't mean he's a white supremacist".
Look, he co founded this together with moderators and creators of reddit's /r/the_donald - just go there and read some high voted posts and the comments that those guys approve of. This thing is a meeting ground for white supremacists. Muslims are generally called "mudslimes", arabs are generally called "kebap", and while they don't openly use "nigger" for black people, they sure as hell don't like them and compare them fairly often to monkeys. They - of course - also hate jews.
This is the soil that spawned this project. The guy posts there. The goddamn piece of shit knows exactly who he's socializing with. There's no way he is "just some misguided dude liking Trump".
Look, he co founded this together with moderators and creators of reddit's /r/the_donald - just go there and read some high voted posts and the comments that those guys approve of. This thing is a meeting ground for white supremacists. Muslims are generally called "mudslimes", arabs are generally called "kebap", and while they don't openly use "nigger" for black people, they sure as hell don't like them and compare them fairly often to monkeys. They - of course - also hate jews.
This is the soil that spawned this project. The guy posts there. The goddamn piece of shit knows exactly who he's socializing with. There's no way he is "just some misguided dude liking Trump".
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