rubik's dude
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Paapa Essiedu has been cast as Severus Snape in the HBO 'HARRY POTTER' tv series
Banjo64
cumsessed
Fairs.I'll chill when I'm dead.
rubik's dude
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Nah the racism lies in the people dogging on the actor cause he's black.
rubik's dude
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Mrs? Is she a child bride?
DKehoe
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Yeh I think Rickman being so spot on for so many aspects of Snape meant he became the embodiment of the role. Understandably so since he was so good but age was one aspect that was off. In the books Harry's parents were about 20 when they had him but they aged them up for the films.
Perhaps they felt like Rickman was such a good fit for Snape that they altered the ages of the others to accommodate that. Or it could just be they decided to go for a more “typical” age for his parents so people might be more likely to immediately understand who they are.
Tams
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That was a rhetorical question.
Brigandier
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I thought you meant:
bitbydeath
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
rubik's dude
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Why wouldn't they cast a black actress in the role of a canonically black character?
We're all concerned about authorial intent here, and nothing else, right?
Donald mac Ronald
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What they just randomly race swap the main character. Or does a new character take over the lead role?
I just tried watching the newest Death in Paradise, which is supposed to be about a white bumbling, autistic British detective sent/seconded to the Caribbean. A complete fish out of water and treated with suspicion/mocked by the locals, and how he, mostly unintentionally, ends up endearing himself to them. The latest season has him as a BAME.
As a BAME myself, I do not want any of this.
Bond is going to be next, isn't he?
Unknown Soldier
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LMAO welp I guess we can write this show off already
I'm finding it hard to believe JK Rowling could have signed off on this, but I guess she's not really fussed about it in her Scottish castle built with piles of money as the foundation
I'm finding it hard to believe JK Rowling could have signed off on this, but I guess she's not really fussed about it in her Scottish castle built with piles of money as the foundation
MrTroubleMaker
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Of course the writer of the new show never read any of the source material...
baldy take on it
baldy take on it
Unknown Soldier
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Too bad the writer for this show never read the books or he would know this is a thing that happened
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TransTrender
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Freudian slip from the modern day UK
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Why do they never race swap to an Asian dude? Donnie Yen (half-serious) or Steven Yuen (fully serious) would be a kick arse Snape.
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Soodanim
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You've ran with this for a while now and the thread could use some information surrounding this point.
Before Rowling was known for the trans debate on twitter she was known for retconning her shit seemingly at random. It was a meme for a while. Gay Dumbledore was the most well known one.
Specifically for Hermione, Rowling is open to the idea of the race swapped interpretation and tried to pretend Hermione was always without a specified melanin level. Nothing wrong with that except that it's not true.
And the fact is that there's only one wirrten reference to Hermione's skin tone, and I think it's something about her going pale. Quite ambiguous, and not necessarily a description of lighter skin. But another fact is that like earlier in the thread where someone posted the drawing of Snape, there is also a Rowling drawing of the main kids.
Gary = Dean
Hermione in the books is white and Dean is black. These designs persisted throughout the series. That's what Rowling had in her head, that's the group she wrote about.
Hermione isn't canonically black by any measure, at best Rowling is trying to say she has no canonical skin tone.
How much stock you put into what Rowling says outside of the books but never actually makes it into the books is up to you as the reader, and no one can take that away from you. But it's best we have the full understanding if we're going to hold up a shitty stage play that was largely dismissed as being a nonsensical entry to the IP as being the bastion of canon.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Even a dog can act. I think casting should be deeper than just saying "oh the person can act".
Tams
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You've ran with this for a while now and the thread could use some information surrounding this point.
Before Rowling was known for the trans debate on twitter she was known for retconning her shit seemingly at random. It was a meme for a while. Gay Dumbledore was the most well known one.
Specifically for Hermione, Rowling is open to the idea of the race swapped interpretation and tried to pretend Hermione was always without a specified melanin level. Nothing wrong with that except that it's not true.
And the fact is that there's only one wirrten reference to Hermione's skin tone, and I think it's something about her going pale. Quite ambiguous, and not necessarily a description of lighter skin. But another fact is that like earlier in the thread where someone posted the drawing of Snape, there is also a Rowling drawing of the main kids.
Gary = Dean
Hermione in the books is white and Dean is black. These designs persisted throughout the series. That's what Rowling had in her head, that's the group she wrote about.
Hermione isn't canonically black by any measure, at best Rowling is trying to say she has no canonical skin tone.
How much stock you put into what Rowling says outside of the books but never actually makes it into the books is up to you as the reader, and no one can take that away from you. But it's best we have the full understanding if we're going to hold up a shitty stage play that was largely dismissed as being a nonsensical entry to the IP as being the bastion of canon.
And that reflected the UK in 1997 before we went utterly potty.
I simply don't understand why a British themed book, with British characters, by a British author has to have this race swapping. Very few other cultures would accept this.
If you want a magic universe with mostly black, east asian, arabic, whatever people, then go write it yourself.
Harry is born in 1980, he went to Hogwarts in 1991, Labour didn't come to power until 1997, they started mass immigration in 1998
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There were black and Asians in the UK in 1991 but the idea they were in every classroom especially as Staff is 2025 demographics being shoehorned into history. I went to school in a large UK city now know for its "vibrant diversity" after these dates and never had a black teacher and had plenty of classes without black students.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Hermione being black is no issue, I'm all for it as a huge fan of the series by all means throw a smart witty intelligent young black girl into the mix of 2 dopey white boys but fucking Snape!?! C'mon FFS, that's pure race swapping if ever there was one, I'm shocked that Rowling signed off on this one
KyoZz
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Venom Snake
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I wonder if they would be so stunning and brave if they wanted to make a tv series about Tarzan.
Come on HBO, i dare you.
Come on HBO, i dare you.
Makoto-Yuki
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nobody could ever live up to Alan Rickman but i'll see how the show goes.
never mind the appearance, not that it really matters, but it's gonna be strange to have snape without that deep voice. Of course he could do one. Rickman's voice makes me melt.
never mind the appearance, not that it really matters, but it's gonna be strange to have snape without that deep voice. Of course he could do one. Rickman's voice makes me melt.
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Lunarorbit
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I know right. The books are even worse than the movies. Here's a good reddit post about how one sided the bullying was towards Snape.
I forgot that Sirius tried to kill him when they were 16. Lupin hides when he becomes a werewolf under the thumping tree and Sirius sents Snape there to die by tricking him.
Lambogenie
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I have a feeling one of the three will be.
Saber
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This is a clear case of someone not reading the books or watching the movies.
Snape is what he is thanks to all the harsh things in his life (negated love life, bullying, fascination with Dark arts, siding with Voldemort and unrequired loved one getting married and having a child).
Think for a second that when you race swap, all of these becomes an entirelly race matter. This will be the public perception, no matter what you do.
Renamed to:
Defense against black arts
Snape is what he is thanks to all the harsh things in his life (negated love life, bullying, fascination with Dark arts, siding with Voldemort and unrequired loved one getting married and having a child).
Think for a second that when you race swap, all of these becomes an entirelly race matter. This will be the public perception, no matter what you do.
Renamed to:
Defense against black arts
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Won Weasley, still with ginger hair.
Soodanim
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That post is biased to the point that it seems unhinged at points. It twists passages to suit the purpose with a poor comprehension of what's being said. An early example isn't that Dumbledore agrees that Sirius tried to murder Snape, he is informing Snape that he remembers the incident. It's a neutral statement that gives nothing else away.
I don't buy into the theory that Sirius tried to murder Snape. They were 100% bullying pricks, but the idea that Sirius intentionally tried to send Snape to his death is a bit much.
Fake
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Is a matter of interpretation. Believe you or not, Witcher 3 have a quest exactly like this.
About a missing wife from a hunter. The hunter ask you to get more information with his wifes sister.
The sister give you a vague information on the woods, as Geralt start to find clues because he have Witcher sense, her sister show up and offer money to him to drop the investigation.
You either deny or continue, to find out that the hunter is a werewolf, the hunter go to a isolated house in the woods when the moon is full to not warm anybody.
Point is, his wife sister have fall in love with the hunter, so she trick her own sister to this house in an attempt to make her sister feel fear and drop her husband. She deny she wanted to kill her own sister saying was an accident, but again, as a Witcher game is a matter of interpretation.
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rubik's dude
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I just hope it isn't Hermione. JK Rowling envisioned her as being black:
Considering this is canon and the author's intent, race swapping her would diminish her character, and her reason for wanting the house elves freed.
Werewolf Jones
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She's all for everything but trans rights so of course she'd shill for this. But she's CLEARLY talking shit because going by her naming conventions a black female character would be called "Afrikaana Watermelonus" Hermoine is a Greek name.I just hope it isn't Hermione. JK Rowling envisioned her as being black:
Considering this is canon and the author's intent, race swapping her would diminish her character, and her reason for wanting the house elves freed.
chromhound
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They need to stop switching nationalities and letting people who never read/ seen the movies direct shows or movies
Soodanim
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God damn it I gave the troll the benefit of the doubtI just hope it isn't Hermione. JK Rowling envisioned her as being black:
Considering this is canon and the author's intent, race swapping her would diminish her character, and her reason for wanting the house elves freed.
lughnasadh123
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I wouldn't particularly care if there wasn't a double standard about casting different actors/voice actors from who they are brought in to portray.
