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[GymWolf]

 

[DaciaJC]

I didn't even think of this. The way Snape treats Harry all the way until the very end of the books is going to have to be entirely changed for the show

I still can't believe JK Rowling is OK with this. She has been completely silent about it BTW

lol, some people are having entirely too much fun with this.

 

[Fbh]

I still can't believe JK Rowling is OK with this. She has been completely silent about it BTW

People forget that aside from the trans stuff Rowling is still very "woke".
Before she became enemy nr1 of places like Era and old Twitter, people used to make jokes, memes and YouTube sketches about how she would eventually reveal everyone in the books was actually black and gay.

 

[jason10mm]

People forget that aside from the trans stuff Rowling is still very "woke".
Before she became enemy nr1 of places like Era and old Twitter, people used to make jokes, memes and YouTube sketches about how she would eventually reveal everyone in the books was actually black and gay.

And it's her perogative to do so.

Though I'd caution her that she had done jack shit outside of those books, virtually every other project of hers has been mid at best (unless she is very good at hiding her involvement), and she should be very sure it's an IMPROVEMENT, not just a "well, why not?" deflection.

 

[DeafTourette]

It's always fascinating to me when i see people so obsessed with their own race.

Not obsession... There literally was a post before mine about IP featuring black people in a majority capacity... Most movies and TV shows still have a majority Caucasian cast

It's representation and different stories. Which was also the point of that post above this one. Iyanu fits that.... New story/IP that isn't based on a work where everyone is Caucasian.

Your take is weird, to me. Not bad, just weird.

 

[nkarafo]

Most movies and TV shows still have a majority Caucasian cast

It's representation and different stories. Which was also the point of that post above this one. Iyanu fits that.... New story/IP that isn't based on a work where everyone is Caucasian.

Your take is weird, to me. Not bad, just weird.

As a Greek person, what's weird to me is the way you feel skin color makes a person interesting or different in some way.

Like why would i go out of my way to look for a story created by a white/black/whatever person? How does the skin color affect their abilities to create a story? Is it a "point of view" thing? Sure, 300 years ago i would be interested to see that point of view where skin color mattered so much it would affect your life in such significant way. I would be interested in someone sharing those first hand experiences, sure. But nobody is alive from those times anymore. So now give me the point of view of a poor person, a rich person, someone famous or someone who nobody cares about, someone doing an interesting job i could never do, someone who is smarter than me, someone sick, someone who experienced things i didn't or things i did but has different opinions about them, a good person who cares more in others than their own self, a bad person who doesn't care about others, etc...

So many interesting points of view and you only seem to care about the looks? And you seek stories created by people who just happen to look like you? I'm not saying you should avoid them but actively look for that specific thing? Yes, that's so incredibly weird to me.

And this whole "representation" argument... Why would you feel someone who looks like you on the outside somehow also represent you? Do you know that person? Do you know their personality, opinions, etc? Myself i would never think someone automatically represents me because they are look like me. I have met so many people who look like me and i would rather not share another molecule of oxygen with them, ever, let alone accept they represent me somehow.

 

[Pimpollo818]

Severus Snoop

 

[DeafTourette]

As a Greek person, what's weird to me is the way you feel skin color makes a person interesting or different in some way.

Like why would i go out of my way to look for a story created by a white/black/whatever person? How does the skin color affect their abilities to create a story? Is it a "point of view" thing? Sure, 300 years ago i would be interested to see that point of view where skin color mattered so much it would affect your life in such significant way. I would be interested in someone sharing those first hand experiences, sure. But nobody is alive from those times anymore. So now give me the point of view of a poor person, a rich person, someone famous or someone who nobody cares about, someone doing an interesting job i could never do, someone who is smarter than me, someone sick, someone who experienced things i didn't or things i did but has different opinions about them, a good person who cares more in others than their own self, a bad person who doesn't care about others, etc...

So many interesting points of view and you only seem to care about the looks? And you seek stories created by people who just happen to look like you? I'm not saying you should avoid them but actively look for that specific thing? Yes, that's so incredibly weird to me.

And this whole "representation" argument... Why would you feel someone who looks like you on the outside somehow also represent you? Do you know that person? Do you know their personality, opinions, etc? Myself i would never think someone automatically represents me because they are look like me. I have met so many people who look like me and i would rather not share another molecule of oxygen with them, ever, let alone accept they represent me somehow.

You're looking at it from YOUR perspective as a Greek... I'm coming from an US POV. Our history in this country is VASTLY different from your own. Race is something this country has always had a problem with and one we are still having a problem with in ways similar and different to what my parents and older siblings lived through.

Representation is important because, up until now, "white" was the defacto color for the hero or romantic lead in a mainstream movie. Yes there are movies with predominantly black (or other POC) actors in the cast but those were always relegated to the "fringe" or "off-Hollywood". They weren't "real" Hollywood". Until Black Panther debuted, most Hollywood studios didn't believe a majority cast film could be successful (Marvel REALLY bet the house on it being a success). Even George Lucas spoke about this ... As more stories are being told that have nothing to do with "race swapping" and are original IP (like the aforementioned Iyanu) and not making Snape a black man, then we're going to keep having these discussions. In the US, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, etc are wanting more castings or productions that feature those like them in roles that aren't stereotypical (maids, thugs, nerds, mystical brings, etc) and step outside the typical conventions.

 

[Trilobit]

You're looking at it from YOUR perspective as a Greek... I'm coming from an US POV. Our history in this country is VASTLY different from your own. Race is something this country has always had a problem with and one we are still having a problem with in ways similar and different to what my parents and older siblings lived through.

Representation is important because, up until now, "white" was the defacto color for the hero or romantic lead in a mainstream movie. Yes there are movies with predominantly black (or other POC) actors in the cast but those were always relegated to the "fringe" or "off-Hollywood". They weren't "real" Hollywood". Until Black Panther debuted, most Hollywood studios didn't believe a majority cast film could be successful (Marvel REALLY bet the house on it being a success). Even George Lucas spoke about this ... As more stories are being told that have nothing to do with "race swapping" and are original IP (like the aforementioned Iyanu) and not making Snape a black man, then we're going to keep having these discussions. In the US, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, etc are wanting more castings or productions that feature those like them in roles that aren't stereotypical (maids, thugs, nerds, mystical brings, etc) and step outside the typical conventions.

What?

 

[nkarafo]

You're looking at it from YOUR perspective as a Greek... I'm coming from an US POV. Our history in this country is VASTLY different from your own. Race is something this country has always had a problem with and one we are still having a problem with in ways similar and different to what my parents and older siblings lived through.

I don't live in US but i'm (mostly) aware about this. I just don't see how you are helping to solve those problems.

Representation is important because, up until now, "white" was the defacto color for the hero or romantic lead in a mainstream movie. Yes there are movies with predominantly black (or other POC) actors in the cast but those were always relegated to the "fringe" or "off-Hollywood". They weren't "real" Hollywood". Until Black Panther debuted, most Hollywood studios didn't believe a majority cast film could be successful (Marvel REALLY bet the house on it being a success). Even George Lucas spoke about this ... As more stories are being told that have nothing to do with "race swapping" and are original IP (like the aforementioned Iyanu) and not making Snape a black man, then we're going to keep having these discussions. In the US, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, etc are wanting more castings or productions that feature those like them in roles that aren't stereotypical (maids, thugs, nerds, mystical brings, etc) and step outside the typical conventions.

Huh...

Weird because even though i live in Greece i have watched a ton of mainstream Hollywood movies featuring black protagonists that were massively successful. For decades. Some of my favorites (just on top of my head right now) feature Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson and Wesley Snipes. Metric tons of movies featuring them in various different roles. Lots of fond memories with their faces embedded in.

Speaking of Wesley Snipes, there was also a movie before Black Panther (and before every other Marvel/DC crap) with another, more interesting hero called "Blade". That was an awesome movie, unlike Black Panther.

Now, i'm not sure how you missed all that living in US and all.

But you are right. Wanting to see more people like yourself in media is only just. Thing is, i don't see the issue? Especially for POC? Because what i'm seeing is a massive overrepresentation in media the last 10 years. It's actually hilarious because even here in Greece, where there must be literally around 68 POC in the whole land, half of our TV ads features them. Like, come on people, to who are you trying to sell products here? If anything, your problem should be how media is patronising you by catering to you that much.

 

[Trilobit]

I don't live in US but i'm (mostly) aware about this. I just don't see how you are helping to solve those problems.



Huh...

Weird because even though i live in Greece i have watched a ton of mainstream Hollywood movies featuring black protagonists that were massively successful. For decades. Some of my favorites (just on top of my head right now) feature Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson and Wesley Snipes. Metric tons of movies featuring them in various different roles. Lots of fond memories with their faces embedded in.

Speaking of Wesley Snipes, there was also a movie before Black Panther (and before every other Marvel/DC crap) with another, more interesting hero called "Blade". That was an awesome movie, unlike Black Panther.

Now, i'm not sure how you missed all that living in US and all.

But you are right. Wanting to see more people like yourself in media is only just. Thing is, i don't see the issue? Especially for POC? Because what i'm seeing is a massive overrepresentation in media the last 10 years. It's actually hilarious because even here in Greece, where there must be literally around 68 POC in the whol land, half of our TV ads features them. If anything, your problem should be how media is patronising you by catering to you that much.

I'm glad we posted in the same time because otherwise it would look like I just copied you lol.

I'd say that Hollywood has a much bigger problem with Asian, particularly male, representation. They seem to shy away from casting Asians in action movies or masculine roles.

 

[nkarafo]

I'm glad we posted in the same time because otherwise it would look like I just copied you lol.

Yours was posted first so you beat me to it.

If only English was my first language and i didn't waste time trying to find the correct words, mine would be first

I'd say that Hollywood has a much bigger problem with Asian, particularly male, representation. They seem to shy away from casting Asians in action movies or masculine roles.

And the funny thing is, you don't see nearly as many people (Asians or not) complaining about that.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I'm glad we posted in the same time because otherwise it would look like I just copied you lol.

I'd say that Hollywood has a much bigger problem with Asian, particularly male, representation. They seem to shy away from casting Asians in action movies or masculine roles.

As someone who is non white, I always found it funny how I'm suppose to care if I get fully represented in a movie or show. For me story is all that matters to me. Representation always comes off as forced to me and as a result the movie/show suffer for it.

What?

I love all those movies too

 

[DeafTourette]

What?

Read that part again because a single black lead is not a predominantly black cast, which was my point.

Hollywood Shuffle, Girl 6, Do The Right Thing, Black Dynamite... As an example of majority black casts.

Edit: most movies have predominantly white casts. Every one of the movies you posted is majority white. Just like the probably majority white people you see in your life, I see majority black people in mine (this is the case of many people unless they live and work in a major metropolitan area)

 

[Tams]

As someone who is non white, I always found it funny how I'm suppose to care if I get fully represented in a movie or show. For me story is all that matters to me. Representation always comes off as forced to me and as a result the movie/show suffer for it.



I love all those movies too

Those screeching are almost invariably white and 'western'. It's compassion and consideration gone far too far.

What's most hilarious is that it's often the people they claim to be representing who think 'wtf' and are bemused by it (but rarely offended, because why bother?)

 

[Doczu]

 

[Trilobit]

Read that part again because a single black lead is not a predominantly black cast, which was my point.

Hollywood Shuffle, Girl 6, Do The Right Thing, Black Dynamite... As an example of majority black casts.

Edit: most movies have predominantly white casts. Every one of the movies you posted is majority white. Just like the probably majority white people you see in your life, I see majority black people in mine (this is the case of many people unless they live and work in a major metropolitan area)

Ah, okay I must have misunderstood. Then we can at least agree that this part is not accurate (without talking about a majority black casting):

Representation is important because, up until now, "white" was the defacto color for the hero or romantic lead in a mainstream movie.

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But I also think that there are plenty of Eddie Murphy movies with a predominantly black cast and that was already back in the 80's/90's. Boyz n the hood or Dangerous Minds too. But I'm not entirely sure what the parameters are here.

Yes there are movies with predominantly black (or other POC) actors in the cast but those were always relegated to the "fringe" or "off-Hollywood". They weren't "real" Hollywood".

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Edit: Your edit: It's not strange that a lot of 90's movies had predominantly white cast considering this is what the demographics looked like back then according to ChatGPT:

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Read that part again because a single black lead is not a predominantly black cast, which was my point.

Hollywood Shuffle, Girl 6, Do The Right Thing, Black Dynamite... As an example of majority black casts.

Edit: most movies have predominantly white casts. Every one of the movies you posted is majority white. Just like the probably majority white people you see in your life, I see majority black people in mine (this is the case of many people unless they live and work in a major metropolitan area)

The first Black Panther was the only film off the top of my head that passed a billion. Black Panther Wakanda Forever did make a profit but it made less than a billion. It made around 859 Million. That's a big decrease and even though it made a profit, that's due to Black Panther being a big IP in the MCU. One of my issues with that film is that they didn't recast Tchilla. And they changed Namor look, should have went with the classic look. From what I seen movies that have predominantly "diverse" cast outside of Black Panther don't really sell. Other than The Fast And Furious Franchise, I can't think of anything else and I'm thinking of films that make over 700 million to 1 billion in profit. You are free to argue with me if you want on this though

BTW I'm really looking forward to that Ryan Coogler Horror film Sinners. I'm a big fan of Micheal B Jordan. And huge fan of horror. Looks like an original concept with a diverse cast, looks much more interesting than race swapping a character in a established franchise in my opinion

Ah, okay I must have misunderstood. Then we can at least agree that this part is not accurate (without talking about a majority black casting):

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But I also think that there are plenty of Eddie Murphy movies with a predominantly black cast and that was already back in the 80's/90's. Boyz n the hood or Dangerous Minds too. But I'm not entirely sure what the parameters are here.

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Edit: Your edit: It's not strange that a lot of 90's movies had predominantly white cast considering this is what the demographics looked like back then according to ChatGPT:

I'm a huge fan of this black director named Antoine Fuqua. Training Day, The Equalizer Trilogy, etc. I admit I haven't watch everything by him yet. But he's a more recent example of a director who isn't white that makes fantastic films that have black leads

 

[jason10mm]

For me it's more about the vibe the project is trying to create and who is making it. Harry Potter evokes a LOT of "old england" and for any of it to make sense (and yes, despite ghosts, magic, and basilisks, suspension of disbelief and internal consistency is STILL applicable) there is a certain ethnic casting that is required. Add in that its being made in England (the films anyway, I'm assuming this WB show will be as well) and the only inherent reason to NOT cast white people in roles for white characters is because you CHOOSE not too. There are plenty of actors that would fit the physical characteristics.

Now if this was a Korean production than I'd expect....wait for it....a lot of Korean actors! Whether they changed the setting from England or not, they gotta cast who they have available. This was the reason why lots of older hollywood roles had white people instead of POC. Those POC actors largely didn't exist, or didn't have the audience draw, so you get John Wayne as Ghengis Kahn.

So for me, the backstory of HP would need serious retooling for a more diverse teacher/student population. Which might be what JKR is doing. Most of the world building in HP is pretty shitty and seems like she was making it up as she went along, so after 20+ years of reflection she may have other ideas for characters like Snape that better incorporate a different ethnicity than what she originally envisioned. In which case this casting might be the best possible option. Buuuuuut, I have doubts as to the authenticity of the casting versus it being an attempt to palliate the shrill (and tiny) internet mob.

It's their money and they can spend it how they want. I just feel that they are gonna serve brisket when the audience wants salmon and its gonna hurt the show in the end. Even if its great brisket, I still wanted salmon!

 

[rubik's dude]

Y'all upset about Paapa's race when Rickman wasn't anywhere near the right age:

This is supposed to be a 31 year old, but it gets a hand wave because he's white. Put a properly aged actor in the role, and because he's black, it's considered "woke."

The book gave us Snape's age, but it never gave us his race. As of right now, Paapa objectively fits the part better than Rickman.

 

[Trilobit]

I'm a huge fan of this black director named Antoine Fuqua. Training Day, The Equalizer Trilogy, etc. I admit I haven't watch everything by him yet. But he's a more recent example of a director who isn't white that makes fantastic films that have black leads

I think I should watch Fuqua's movies. I've thought about watching Emancipation, but Will Smith just has his typical "I'm acting HARD" face on the cover so I've not come around lol. I am really glad that Jordan Peele has taken the step into movies and into genres that I love which are scifi and horror. I think he has a very unique "voice" in his movies and would like to see more of directors like him.

 

[jason10mm]

I think I should watch Fuqua's movies. I've thought about watching Emancipation, but Will Smith just has his typical "I'm acting HARD" face on the cover so I've not come around lol. I am really glad that Jordan Peele has taken the step into movies and into genres that I love which are scifi and horror. I think he has a very unique "voice" in his movies and would like to see more of directors like him.

He did The Terminal List series on amazon. That's what I would watch.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I think I should watch Fuqua's movies. I've thought about watching Emancipation, but Will Smith just has his typical "I'm acting HARD" face on the cover so I've not come around lol. I am really glad that Jordan Peele has taken the step into movies and into genres that I love which are scifi and horror. I think he has a very unique "voice" in his movies and would like to see more of directors like him.

I skipped Emancipation too due to Will Smith lol. Chris Rock bit on Will Smith after the slap and him mentioning that movie made me cry with laughter



BTW I don't hate Will Smith but I just can't with him being on that poster and I'm like instant nope from it lol

As for Jordan Peele, he's has a great visual language when it comes to film but I just found his movies somewhat boring

 

[John Bilbo]

He did The Terminal List series on amazon. That's what I would watch.

That's a great one

 

[jason10mm]

Y'all upset about Paapa's race when Rickman wasn't anywhere near the right age:

This is supposed to be a 31 year old, but it gets a hand wave because he's white. Put a properly aged actor in the role, and because he's black, it's considered "woke."

The book gave us Snape's age, but it never gave us his race. As of right now, Paapa objectively fits the part better than Rickman.

Age is tough on film because you need to have gravitas. People just look too young for too long. But I think a lot of us saw Hans Greuber from Die Hard more than actual Alan Rickman. Maybe in the 40's-70's you could have actors in their 30's pull off the teachers but I think they were ABSOLUTELY correct to hire older, exceedingly accomplished actors for those roles because that balances out the midling to atrocious kid performances.

This TV show is gonna have the same issue. A bunch of mid-30's actors trying to carry the weight for 10-12 year olds is gonna get creaky real fast. Is Lithgow really gonna be the only anchor actor? I doubt it. Maybe they are going for a much more whimsical tone (like the first 2 films, really, bu it's the more mature vibe from film 3 on that REALLY sold these movies) so some lighter actors would work, but I feel like this guy is gonna come off as petulant and grumpy rather than sinister and brooding (which even Alan took a film or 2 to really nail the character).

 

[rubik's dude]

Maybe in the 40's-70's you could have actors in their 30's pull off the teachers but I think they were ABSOLUTELY correct to hire older, exceedingly accomplished actors for those roles because that balances out the midling to atrocious kid performances.

Right, I agree. They let talent and experience trump adherence to the character's description in the book, and it worked out well for Rickman. So why not give Paapa the same chance? He's a good actor and deserves the same as Rickman.

 

[spookyfish]

Ran it by Grok and god dammit it would totally work.

My GOD this is inspired. Like that Jamie Foxx Annie movie a few years ago. I never knew I wanted this.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It should have been Robert Downey Jr

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Ran it by Grok and god dammit it would totally work.

 

[IDKFA]

I'm just glad to see that JK Rowling is heavily involved in the show. Not only that, she personally casted the actress who plays Hermione in the Cursed Child. Canonically, this is Hermione:

Hermione was actually white. Case in point, the first edition cover for the Deathly Hallows where she is white. Cover art that would have been approved by JK herself.

Spoiler

I wouldn't normally have an issue with race swapping, however it really only goes in one direction.

If an established fictional, or even a historical character, is swapped from white to another race, then we're supposed to applaud it. Anybody questioning this is automatically a racist.

Yet, swap an established non-white character to white and it's evil, racist "whitewashing". Juat seems a little bit one sided to me.

Personally, for fictional characters anyway, it should be the best actor for the job, regardless of race, but that only happens these days for white characters. Non-white characters are untouchable.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Hermione was actually white. Case in point, the first edition cover for the Deathly Hallows where she is white. Cover art that would have been approved by JK herself.

Spoiler

I wouldn't normally have an issue with race swapping, however it really only goes in one direction.

If an established fictional, or even a historical character, is swapped from white to another race, then we're supposed to applaud it. Anybody questioning this is automatically a racist.

Yet, swap an established non-white character to white and it's evil, racist "whitewashing". Juat seems a little bit one sided to me.

Personally, for fictional characters anyway, it should be the best actor for the job, regardless of race, but that only happens these days for white characters. Non-white characters are untouchable.

She is described in the book as having pale skin. Not how you would describe a black person.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

She is described in the book as having pale skin. Not how you would describe a black person.

Yep and there's lot of black characters in the books that he should have been cast as, not Snape

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

I nearly shit myself there. That's hilarious on so many levels.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I wonder if they'll keep the ginger kid. Hollywood hates redheads, so I doubt it. They'll cast him as a black person and give him a horrible orange/red wig.

 

[rubik's dude]

Yet, swap an established non-white character to white and it's evil, racist "whitewashing". Juat seems a little bit one sided to me.

Dunno what you're talking about. Somebody already suggested a white Blade and Miles Morales:

I think it's time we had white guys playing Blade and Miles Morales.

go finance it and make it happen. I'll watch it with an open mind as long as the actors are good.

See any accusations of racism? Now on the other hand, look what happens when you cast a black actor as Snape:

Oh man, if they cast one of the generic looking mixed race kids flooding hollywood these days....the rumors of snape hitting up Lily gonna fly!

Defense against the dark arts.
The meta alone makes this casting choice worth it.

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince of Bel Air

Snape to James: Keep Lily's name out yo' fuckin' mouth!

Afrikaana Watermelonus

A bunch of weirdo adults obsessed with a series of kids books start spewing hate because the actor doesn't fit their headcanon. Also:

JK Rowling herself picked the actress to play Hermione in Cursed Child, so whatever officially sanctioned art you think is canon, actually isn't. This is canon:

 

[kruis]

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Dunno what you're talking about. Somebody already suggested a white Blade and Miles Morales:


See any accusations of racism? Now on the other hand, look what happens when you cast a black actor as Snape:




A bunch of weirdo adults obsessed with a series of kids books start spewing hate because the actor doesn't fit their headcanon. Also:

JK Rowling herself picked the actress to play Hermione in Cursed Child, so whatever officially sanctioned art you think is canon, actually isn't. This is canon:

It isn't. She is described as white in the books. So what is "canon" to you? The actual source material or a play?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

I don't like Harry Potter and I'm British and I already explained Rowling's stance on this.

Btw its also canon Wizards and Witches shit their pants then use a spell to clean it up afterwards so I wouldn't trust her word as the gospel after the books concluded.

 

[rubik's dude]

It isn't. She is described as white in the books. So what is "canon" to you? The actual source material or a play?

Authorial intent is canon to me.

 

[Hookshot]

I don't like Harry Potter and I'm British and I already explained Rowling's stance on this.

Btw its also canon Wizards and Witches shit their pants then use a spell to clean it up afterwards so I wouldn't trust her word as the gospel after the books concluded.

Didn't she make that up later and say it was before they had plumbing? It can't be after Hogwarts was made because it's founder hid the Chamber of Secrets behind a tap in a bathroom, where a ghost lived in the toilets

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Didn't she make that up later and say it was before they had plumbing? It can't be after Hogwarts was made because it's founder hid the Chamber of Secrets behind a tap in a bathroom, where a ghost lived in the toilets

IDK bro she typed so much garbage on Twitter it damn near killed the series for terminally online millennials before she went anti-trans.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Authorial intent is canon to me.

"Her white face" she clearly doesn't remember her own work or she was trying to pander to a certain audience. That's from prisoner of Azkaban btw.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Authorial intent is canon to me.

How about all the original book covers where Hermione is white?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

We could also go by Rowling's own original artwork which shows her as white.

Hang on. I found my specific examples

“Harry, come on, move!” Hermione had seized the collar of his jacket and was tugging him backward. “What’s the matter?” Harry said, startled to see her face so white and terrified”. (Goblet of Fire, Chapter 9)

Thanks for that reddit. When she got a black eye she was described as a panda. Not exactly how you would describe a black woman with a black eye

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

We could also go by Rowling's own original artwork which shows her as white.

Yep

As a huge Harry Potter fan, all I ask from this show is correct casting, no race swapping, no gender swapping, proper CGI Budget, includes more of the plot from the books etc. But nooooo they just had to go down this route. Really makes me salty as fuck..

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Remember how Dumbledore was made gay after the fact? And you want to take some 10 year old tweet as gospel rubik's dude ? Despite what the her own books and art say? Knock yourself out.

 

[rubik's dude]

"Her white face" she clearly doesn't remember her own work or she was trying to pander to a certain audience. That's from prisoner of Azkaban btw.

"Her white face" doesn't tell me her skin color. I'm not white and my face has been described as sheet white before. It's an expression to describe shock and fear.

Like JK Rowling said, the books never said anything about Hermione's skin color, and authorial intent is the only thing that's canon.

 

[rubik's dude]

How about all the original book covers where Hermione is white?

Remember how Dumbledore was made gay after the fact? And you want to take some 10 year old tweet as gospel rubik's dude ? Despite what the her own books and art say? Knock yourself out.

Why not? People are referencing book covers that are way older than the tweet, which weren't even illustrated by Rowling lmao.

Btw no, the book covers aren't canon. What JK Rowling says and does with her series is canon.

 

[Fbh]

"Her white face" doesnt tell me her skin color. I'm not white and my face has been described as sheet white before. It's an expression to describe shock and fear.

Like JK Rowling said, the books never said anything about Hermion's skin color, and authorial intent is the only thing that's canon.

Lol she is described as white, Rowling herself sketched her as white

And was ok with her being white in every book cover and white in the original movies.
Suuuuure, she totally intended for her to be black.

Hermione was clearly envisioned as white and Rowling trying to pretend it wasn't the case to get brownie points (ironically, from the people who mostly hate her now) doesn't change that.

It's her IP and her character and she can do whatever she wants with her moving forward, but that doesn't change the original canon. It's as if years after publishing his books Tolkien was like "Actually Frodo is an 8 feet tall latino lesbian", to me that doesn't magically erase the established canon.