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Phil Spencer "There are no “red lines” for which Xbox games will come to PlayStation". Still Looking for Acquisitions, Sees Future Growth.

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Mayar

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JackStraw said:
Phil Spencer would commit to keeping those games exclusive. The people who are actually making the big decisions now do not care about exclusivity.
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You have a mistake in the sentence you wanted to write - "They love money". The company always makes decisions based on the financial situation and possible profit.
 
Mr Moose

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Little Chicken said:
They don't factor in profit from Game Pass subscriptions, nor do they factor in the paid Game Pass upgrade which still sits at #1 on every Xbox store.
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Because that's not a sale, silly Chicken. The upgrade is a sale (not of the game, but it is a sale), Game Pass user isn't.
 
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Heisenberg007

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Phil putting the lube before putting it in! :messenger_tears_of_joy:

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MikeM

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Humdinger said:
Phil isn't willing to commit to even keeping traditional Xbox pillar franchises (Halo, Gears, Forza) exclusive. Interesting. I half-expected him to draw some line in the sand - a vague one, at least - to help sustain the Xbox fanbase. Guess not.
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Console exclusives for Xbox are as good as gone. No wonder why they are in third place.

Can’t grow organically? Buy buy buy then layoff layoff layoff.
 
Mibu no ookami

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PaintTinJr said:
Okay, well that's going to lose them a couple million full priced sales IMO.
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I don't think Indiana Jones was going to sell a couple million on PS5.

It's a first person action game. Wildly it is single player too. They should have taken cues from Goldeneye here and at least had a multiplayer mode.

I don't think this game was thought through.

Won't appeal to 3rd person fans and doesn't have MP. It's in no-man's land and the IP isn't that strong anymore, but getting this port ready for same day release? I can't see it.
 
Danny22

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Rant incoming.

Does anyone notice how American Microsoft as a company is? They literally just keep chugging along, throwing money at stuff in the hopes of making it big. It was all 'two billion gamers' when they went the 'obviously negative to the bottomline' gamepass subs. They have no integrity, no 'soul', do not care about the brand,flipflopping decisions based on whatever they think is the more money making decision currently.

I think their presence makes gaming news greatly entertaining given their overly ambitious rash decisions. But it's so obvious this hobby has remained Japan's domain. Even look at the software lineup of this years GOTY. FF rebirth, Metaphor, Astro Bot, all Japanese. You need a soul to make dedicated good products in this industry and Japan and even EU has always had that while the US has had their 'bro' yearly shooters.

I guess im talking about the USA culture, entertainment would be so sanitized,mass marketed, designed for maximum revenue if it was the domain of the US. It's like a greedy country that keeps gobbling up stuff in and putting 'maximizing revenue stuff' out with no actual desire to produce something that has real love.
 
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FrankWza

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FrankWza said:
Who cares? They bought it to make it exclusive so that they could sell consoles. They couldn't. They brought in a revenue stream instead of a system selling, tide-shifting juggernaut. They failed.
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Little Chicken said:
The banner under which Freegunners rally in lieu of facts 🚩
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Since you only partially quoted, tell me which part is wrong?
The conversation around CoD starts and ends there. They didn't buy it so that you could argue where it sold better. They bought it so that people would be forced to buy their consoles. They failed. The fact that we're here even discussing CoD still being allowed on other consoles is all a waste of time.
 
sainraja

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What everyone seems to ignore in threads like this, is if Xbox is completely moving away from hardware or putting less emphasis on it, you will see Game Pass on PlayStation. That will only be a matter of time.

EA Play and Ubisoft Plus are options that exist on PlayStation. At the moment, Game Pass is direct competition to Sony with PS Plus (even if the features vary) but if the hardware focus changes, as I said, it will only be a matter of time.
 
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Killjoy-NL

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Topher said:
Are you talking about the Xbox games to PS? Pretty sure back in January he said "just four games".
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Then you didn't listen closely.

He literally said more games would come "if it makes sense".
Xbox has flatlined. Everything makes sense to go multiplatform.

Surprised someone like you didn't catch on and fell for the PR-package they used to deliver the message.
 
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Klayzer

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All I keep reading from hardcore Xfans is, the casuals only care about COD, Fortnight, Madden, etc.

So if that were only true, why is Xbox hardware taking a gigantic nosedive, when all of the most popular games are on the system?

What is it? They have the services (Gamespass). They have the hardware (Series S&X). They have the studios (40 plus). They have all the money (3 trillion company value).

Seemingly, no one can answer, why the casual public is not interested in Xbox.
 
Killjoy-NL

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sainraja said:
What everyone seems to ignore in threads like this, is if Xbox is completely moving away from hardware or putting less emphasis on it, you will see Game Pass on PlayStation. That will only be a matter of time.
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I wonder how that will work?
It would be Xbox games only, drastically reducing the appeal of GP.
 
FrankWza

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sainraja said:
What everyone seems to ignore in threads like this, is if Xbox is completely moving away from hardware or putting less emphasis on it, you will see Game Pass on PlayStation. That will only be a matter of time.

EA Play and Ubisoft Plus are options that exist on PlayStation. At the moment, Game Pass is direct competition to Sony with PS Plus (even if the features vary) but if the hardware focus changes, as I said, it will only be a matter of time.
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They better come with that $1 deal loophole
Klayzer said:
All I keep reading from hardcore Xfans is, the casuals only care about COD, Fortnight, Madden, etc.

So if that were only true, why is Xbox hardware taking a gigantic nosedive, when all of the most popular games are on the system?

What is it? They have the services (Gamespass). They have the hardware (Series S&X). They have the studios (40 plus). They have all the money (3 trillion company value).

Seemingly, no one can answer, why the casual public is not interested in Xbox.
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It's true. Plus all of their hardware is whisper quiet, no coil whine and don't forget quick resume.
 
nowhat

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Klayzer said:
They have all the money (3 trillion company value).
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MS, the corporation, have that money. I doubt the shareholders would be very happy for all of that to be invested in game studios/publishers.

I think the situation is pretty analogous with Meta and their VR ventures. The parent company is a cash cow. The VR department, not so much (it makes billions of loss every quarter). The shareholders have been patient thus far, but we'll see how long that continues.
 
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SHA

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So he's a pro 3rd party publisher, idk, look at what made the 360 successful, buy every successful 3rd party game on 360 that's still relevant to this day, it's that simple.
 
Killjoy-NL

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sainraja said:
Yeah, likely that is how it will be structured. We don't know what shape it will take but MS is a big publisher now so content isn't an issue.
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Content will be an issue, because 1st party won't be enough unless they shift to filler-trash, reducing GP appeal on Playstation
And appeal won't be much to begin with, otherwise Xbox wouldn't even be in this situation in the first place.

Adding 3rd party to GP on Playstation would drive costs for MS up astronomically, since they would have to cover the potential loss in sales on Playstation as well.

That's if Sony would allow even allow it.
 
Topher

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Killjoy-NL said:
Then you didn't listen closely.

He literally said more games would come "if it makes sense".
Xbox has flatlined. Everything makes sense to go multiplatform.

Surprised someone like you didn't catch on and fell for the PR-package they used to deliver the message.
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lol....why you so cranky? You are mistaking what I heard them say for me actually believing it would only be "four games". I recall mocking the entire suggestion that it would actually be limited to four games. Doesn't make sense that they would say "just four games" alongside "more if it makes sense" during that "business update". I'll have to go back and watch it again later since you are adamant about it.
 
reinking

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When will they sign the peace treaty? It looks like the Ponies have to rally the troops to fight the new PC battlefront. :messenger_winking_tongue:


I believe Phil is telling the truth when he says it is too early to tell but I am glad it has been made clear that everything is on the table. I also want to hear more about the handheld. It seems like they are waiting until they can get the most out of upcoming chips. I believe it is better to wait a few years than to slap something together just to get it to the market.
 
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Killjoy-NL

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Topher said:
lol....why you so cranky?
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I'm not cranky at all. Why would you think I am?
Topher said:
you are mistaking what I heard them say for me actually believing it would only be "four games". I recall mocking the entire suggestion that it would actually be limited to four games. Doesn't make sense that they would say "just four games" alongside "more if it makes sense" during that "business update". I'll have to go back and watch it again later since you are adamant about it.
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You can check it.

Earlier during the Update, they emphasized keywords like "older games" and "over a year old".

Later during the Update, he clearly states more games could come if it makes sense.
That's basic PR for 'any game is on the table after a certain time-window'.

We already see it happening with Indiana Jones.

I pointed this out back then as well:
Killjoy-NL said:
During the podcast, Phil Spencer did say that all games could come to other platforms if it makes sense.

Some people just chose not to hear it, because it wasn't stated explicitly.
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TBiddy

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Daneel Elijah said:
If I may, it depend on what we are talking about. From a consumer POV, I can get that either console work and that someone can be very happy with a Series S or X. But from another lens, the PS5 is a lot cheaper to make while still trading blows with the Series X. If Sony was selling them with the 100 to 200$ loss that Microsoft admited a some point, we would have at least a 300€/$ PS5 today, or even better, and I hope that this idea shows how much Microsoft failed their strategy a some point. As for Spencer, I think that he needs a good game to go with the rumored handheld and hope that he will have it ready for when we will hopefully get to learn in detail about Microsoft next gen plans.
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I agree that the XSX could've been designed differently. How was it - XSX is wide and slow, while the PS5 is narrow and fast. Seems like the latter was the best and cheapest approach. But I do think that claiming the XSX is a bad console is meaningless. It has a lot of great features, it's quiet, it's fast and it's small. It's lacking in games though, and that's pretty bad for a gaming console. And that falls on Spencer, in my mind.
 
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