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[Tamanon]

A guy from politico (on MSNBC) just brought-up Tim Tebow possibly being the special guest speaker later today, that would be a mistake for everyone involved. I can just see the highlights after, "Mitt Romney gave his acceptance speech at the RNC last night, and oh yeah, TIM TEBOW WAS THERE TOO!! HE EVEN TEBOWED ON STAGE!!!!" Tebow is very polarizing, and has a chance to upstage Romney

Considering the Jets play tonight, I'm going to guess he's wrong

 

[Officerrob]

Considering the Jets play tonight, I'm going to guess he's wrong

Yeah, looks like it's going to be Clint Eastwood, which is kind of a letdown.

 

[codhand]

Fabulous - personal attacks and name calling always go over well with the mods on GAF.

You would know

 

[Agnostic]

I had no idea there was a signer movement.

 

[codhand]

I had no idea there was a signer movement.

It's about a step above Lizard People.

 

[Tamanon]

I had no idea there was a signer movement.

Wait until they find out he likes unsweet tea. That movement will go over well in the South!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

It's about step above Lizard People.

Only because it lacks the Anti Semitic undertone of Lizard People.

 

[Delusibeta]

On the letters - I will leave it to the Obama administration to explain. I'm sure if they were auto-penned they will refute it.

Uh, the one looks like it misses the Sincerely wholesale, the one in the middle looks like it strikes through all of the Sincerely, the one of the right looks like it misses the ends of the word and the photo in general makes the view through the window in my bathroom look sharp.

Spoiler

(there is no window in my bathroom)

I've got a suggestion for you.

 

[electricpirate]

To be fair to Kosmo, he's not even the one who brought up the letters...

But yea, You can see in the shape of the O, also in that in one document the lines of the O don't actually meet in one document. Sure none of us are forensic handwriting specialists, but if the diferences are great enough for me to spot, I'm sure it would clear with a specialist. But I do appreciate Kosmo's goal post moving, and his assertion of, no matter what evidence is presented, he'll still believe this true gosh darn it!

 

[Tim-E]

New Obama web video about Ryan's speech last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukkJYkANZ98&feature=player_embedded#

I'm shocked that CNN has done legitimate fact checking during this convention. Wolf Blitzer was surprisingly loud and critical over the fact that they didn't even call Ron Paul's delegates.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I'm shocked that CNN has done legitimate fact checking during this convention. Wolf Blitzer was surprisingly loud and critical over the fact that they didn't even call Ron Paul's delegates.

Maybe he owns a lot of bitcoins.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Fabulous - personal attacks and name calling always go over well with the mods on GAF.

No personal attacks, bro. I'm just reporting on rumblings of you being a white nationalist - it's up to GAF to decide if it's true or not. If I said one way or the other then that would make me BIASED and we wouldn't want that.

I can see the FOX headline now: Kosmo: fascist?

 

[giga]

New Obama web video about Ryan's speech last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukkJYkANZ98&feature=player_embedded#

 

[ToxicAdam]

This would probably be an easy 5 page thread in the OT, but I don't feel like it.

Joe Klein: "The Democrats have a serious problem. It is a problem that stems from the party's greatest strength: its long-term support for inclusion and equal rights for all, its support of racial integration and equal rights for women and homosexuals and its humane stand on immigration reform. Those heroic positions, which I celebrate, cost the Democrats more than a few elections in the past.... If the Democratic Party truly wants to be a party of inclusion, it must reach out to those who are currently excluded from its identity politics. It needs to disband its caucuses. It needs to say, We are proud of our racial and ethnic backgrounds, our different religions, our lifestyle differences. But the things that unite us are more important than the things that divide us. We have only one caucus-- the American caucus."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2123309,00.html

A Democrat party that doesn't constantly play the race card every time it has some adversity? Why .. wouldn't that be something?

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

On the letters - I will leave it to the Obama administration to explain. I'm sure if they were auto-penned they will refute it.

I'll let them explain their actions, but if they say they didn't do [A BAD THING] then I'll consider that as proof that they actually did do [A BAD THING].

 

[Officerrob]

I really don't understand why Ryan isn't beat over the head with his "GM plant closing" lie. It's easily fact checked, is insanely easy to explain, and isn't a matter of opinion so that it can be spinned.

 

[PantherLotus]

1. ^that's stupid, TA. Caucuses are designed to give those with something in particular in common (like the same disadvantage, perhaps?) a common legislative agenda.

2. re: Kosmo/signer-gate: you know a campaign is in trouble when...

3. Seeing lots of MSM pushback on the Paul Ryan speech last night for inaccuracies. Seems like the only consistent take I've seen everywhere. He might have stretched the truth a bit.

 

[user8503492]

Wow, I missed the RNC last night (was at a MLS game)

Tried to look stuff up about it this morning...every headline is "Paul Ryan is a liar" "Paul Ryan takes Factual shortcuts" etc...

Ouch, what a debacle...

 

[Aaron Strife]

Wow, I missed the RNC last night (was at a MLS game)

Tried to look stuff up about it this morning...every headline is "Paul Ryan is a liar" "Paul Ryan takes Factual shortcuts" etc...

Ouch, what a debacle...

Even Fox News called it deceitful.

This is why there won't be a significant convention bounce - the RNC is just conservative red meat being thrown around. There probably isn't anyone watching who hasn't already made up their mind, and the attention paid by the media is mostly negative.

 

[Officerrob]

Wow, I missed the RNC last night (was at a MLS game)

Tried to look stuff up about it this morning...every headline is "Paul Ryan is a liar" "Paul Ryan takes Factual shortcuts" etc...

Ouch, what a debacle...

Ryan delivered the speech very well after getting over some initial nerves and the part about his parents was very well done, but he was a misleading and lying machine last night

 

[Aaron Strife]

So the NRSC has now pulled out of both Missouri and New Mexico, and in return they're doubling down in North Dakota with a 3.1 million dollar ad buy. For a state that only cast 300,000 votes in the 2008 election, that averages out to more than 10 dollars per person.

We're freakin' out, man!

 

[eBay Huckster]

So the NRSC has now pulled out of both Missouri and New Mexico, and in return they're doubling down in North Dakota with a 3.1 million dollar ad buy. For a state that only cast 300,000 votes in the 2008 election, that averages out to more than 10 dollars per person.

We're freakin' out, man!

And in spite of that, the ND race still won't be worse than a tossup.

 

[PantherLotus]

I'm kinda amped for Ryan v. Biden now.

 

[Officerrob]

So the NRSC has now pulled out of both Missouri and New Mexico, and in return they're doubling down in North Dakota with a 3.1 million dollar ad buy. For a state that only cast 300,000 votes in the 2008 election, that averages out to more than 10 dollars per person.

We're freakin' out, man!

3.1 million in North Dakota is just overkill

 

[Byakuya769]

I'm kinda amped for Ryan v. Biden now.

Same here. People are so convinced that the "blubbering buffoon" is going to get destroyed by Ryan and his "wonkiness." I've seen that from conservatives, of course, but from democrats as well.

 

[The Technomancer]

So the NRSC has now pulled out of both Missouri and New Mexico, and in return they're doubling down in North Dakota with a 3.1 million dollar ad buy. For a state that only cast 300,000 votes in the 2008 election, that averages out to more than 10 dollars per person.

We're freakin' out, man!

...North Dakota? 3.1 million on North Dakota?

 

[PantherLotus]

Same here. People are so convinced that the "blubbering buffoon" is going to get destroyed by Ryan and his "wonkiness." I've seen that from conservatives, of course, but from democrats as well.

That's silly. Biden's sincerity, and facts, will embarrass Ryan. It won't be close.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

That's silly. Biden's sincerity, and facts, will embarrass Ryan. It won't be close.

Facts or being right alone don't win debates.

 

[kaching]

For all the focus on the things Ryan straight lied about in last night's speech, I'm almost more insulted by his claim that they'll create 12 million jobs in 4 years. When was the last time we saw sustained job growth like that?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

For all the focus on the things Ryan straight lied about in last night's speech, I'm almost more insulted by his claim that they'll create 12 million jobs in 4 years. When was the last time we saw sustained job growth like that?

You need people to build tanks. duh

 

[Aaron Strife]

And in spite of that, the ND race still won't be worse than a tossup.

Exactly. Heitkamp is a popular brand there - it's parallel to Thompson in Wisconsin.

...North Dakota? 3.1 million on North Dakota?

Yup.

For all the focus on the things Ryan straight lied about in last night's speech, I'm almost more insulted by his claim that they'll create 12 million jobs in 4 years. When was the last time we saw sustained job growth like that?

The funny thing is that the CBO actually already projected huge job growth and a drop in unemployment over the next four years.

Obama's said in private that his biggest concern about a Romney presidency, besides the Supreme Court, is that Republicans will be able to take credit for a big economic recovery that would take place.

 

[Officerrob]

For all the focus on the things Ryan straight lied about in last night's speech, I'm almost more insulted by his claim that they'll create 12 million jobs in 4 years. When was the last time we saw sustained job growth like that?

Jobs are going to trickle down when all the millionai...I mean job creators get their tax cuts, right?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Facts or being right alone don't win debates.

Quite true (sadly) but I still don't know why people were licking their lips like Biden's a shitty debater. His gaffes aren't in not knowing what he's talking about, it's when he says something slightly cringeworthy off the cuff. Like an uncle who doesn't know when not to tell a dirty joke. But he's never going to get tongue-tied or caught off guard in a debate.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Quite true (sadly) but I still don't know why people were licking their lips like Biden's a shitty debater. His gaffes aren't in not knowing what he's talking about, it's when he says something slightly cringeworthy off the cuff. Like an uncle who doesn't know when not to tell a dirty joke. But he's never going to get tongue-tied or caught off guard in a debate.

He smoked Palin in the 2008 debate. Not that Palin sets the bar for Republican intelligence, but he knows how to talk to liars.

My favorite moment in any of the debates was him tearing up at talking about his wife. It was very human. And how immediately it was contrasted by Palin saying some dumb shit about being a maverick.

This is about the same as PD saying Romney will make "professor-like, aloof" Obama look like a fool when they debate.

 

[3rdman]

Same here. People are so convinced that the "blubbering buffoon" is going to get destroyed by Ryan and his "wonkiness." I've seen that from conservatives, of course, but from democrats as well.

Ha! In their eyes, Ryan will win no matter what...I remember that many conservatives felt that Palin "beat" Biden easily...LOL.

 

[pigeon]

This would probably be an easy 5 page thread in the OT, but I don't feel like it.




http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2123309,00.html

A Democrat party that doesn't constantly play the race card every time it has some adversity? Why .. wouldn't that be something?

This Time column is the longest "what about the menz/white peoplez?" post I've ever seen. I guess if your perception of the universe is wholly centered on yourself you might, indeed, be like, "well civil rights are good, but what's in it for me? I already have civil rights." I'm not sure I believe this view is characteristic, though.

The fundamental point being made is not exactly crazy -- everybody knows that the Democrat weak spot is working-class white men, because an increase in equal opportunities for people of color and women, being equivalent to the elimination of affirmative action for white people, will displace some of them. But hopefully it should be clear that nostalgia for the halcyon days of discrimination is not a platform the Democratic party ought necessarily to embrace, nor is it clear why disbanding the African-American caucus will do much to fix the concern.

Now, I think the Democrats would benefit hugely from reaching back to their labor ties and creating some sort of working-class caucus, but they're hampered in this by the fact that Congresspeople are no longer working-class. But that's where I'd start addressing this issue -- because labor is certainly a special interest that belongs in the big tent. Joe Biden might be the best person to do this, in many ways.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

This Time column is the longest "what about the menz/white peoplez?" post I've ever seen. I guess if your perception of the universe is wholly centered on yourself you might, indeed, be like, "well civil rights are good, but what's in it for me? I already have civil rights." I'm not sure I believe this view is characteristic, though.

The fundamental point being made is not exactly crazy -- everybody knows that the Democrat weak spot is working-class white men, because an increase in equal opportunities for people of color and women, being equivalent to the elimination of affirmative action for white people, will displace some of them. But hopefully it should be clear that nostalgia for the halcyon days of discrimination is not a platform the Democratic party ought necessarily to embrace, nor is it clear why disbanding the African-American caucus will do much to fix the concern.

Now, I think the Democrats would benefit hugely from reaching back to their labor ties and creating some sort of working-class caucus, but they're hampered in this by the fact that Congresspeople are no longer working-class. But that's where I'd start addressing this issue -- because labor is certainly a special interest that belongs in the big tent. Joe Biden might be the best person to do this, in many ways.

There is a way to do that and it's to drop the gun control crap. It would pull in more than it would lose (and besides where they hell are they going? lol)

 

[PantherLotus]

Here's the campaign in a nutshell, if you ask me. This Q/A from the reddit AMA touches on every essential thing we need to know:

QUESTION: I am recent law school graduate. Despite graduating from a top school, I find myself unemployed with a large student loan debt burden. While I'm sure my immediate prospects will improve in time, it's difficult to be optimistic about the future knowing that my ability to live a productive life -- to have a fulfilling career, to buy a house, to someday raise a family -- is hampered by my debt and the bleak economic outlook for young people.

I know that I'm not alone in feeling this way. Many of us are demoralized. Your 2008 campaign was successful in large part due to the efforts of younger demographics. We worked for you, we campaigned for you, and we turned out in record numbers to vote for you. What can I say to encourage those in similar situations as I am to show up again in November? What hope can you offer us for your second term?

OBAMA: I understand how tough it is out there for recent grads. You're right - your long term prospects are great, but that doesn't help in the short term. Obviously some of the steps we have taken already help young people at the start of their careers. Because of the health care bill, you can stay on your parent's plan until you're twenty six. Because of our student loan bill, we are lowering the debt burdens that young people have to carry. But the key for your future, and all our futures, is an economy that is growing and creating solid middle class jobs - and that's why the choice in this election is so important.

The other party has two ideas for growth - more taxs cuts for the wealthy (paid for by raising tax burdens on the middle class and gutting investments like education) and getting rid of regulations we've put in place to control the excesses on wall street and help consumers. These ideas have been tried, they didnt work, and will make the economy worse. I want to keep promoting advanced manufacturing that will bring jobs back to America, promote all-American energy sources (including wind and solar), keep investing in education and make college more affordable, rebuild our infrastructure, invest in science, and reduce our deficit in a balanced way with prudent spending cuts and higher taxes on folks making more than $250,000/year.

I don't promise that this will solve all our immediate economic challenges, but my plans will lay the foundation for long term growth for your generation, and for generations to follow. So don't be discouraged - we didn't get into this fix overnight, and we won't get out overnight, but we are making progress and with your help will make more.

The GOP cannot compete with this on any level.

 

[massoluk]

Yeah, I keep hearing Paul Ryan is going to be tough for Biden because Ryan is a career politician or something. Well shit, what do you call Biden? If someone can point me to one debate where Biden lost, I'll appreciate it.

 

[Kosmo]

I am looking forward to all the fact checking that will be going on here during next week's DNC convention. Let's, of course, forget that Obama's signature legislation was drawn up in a purposely misleading fashion in order to get the CBO score they wanted (10 years of collections, 6 years of payouts).

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Here's the campaign in a nutshell, if you ask me. This Q/A from the reddit AMA touches on every essential thing we need to know:



The GOP cannot compete with this on any level.

They are not planning to anymore. They tried fighting the campaign on that plank and were getting beat badly.

Their strategy now is to paint Obama as a non-American loving, foreign looking, foreign sounding guy who doesn't care about White people much and will give Welfare checks to his fellow buddies (Black people).

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Here's the campaign in a nutshell, if you ask me. This Q/A from the reddit AMA touches on every essential thing we need to know:



The GOP cannot compete with this on any level.

He actually said invest in science....lol

 

[kaching]

The funny thing is that the CBO actually already projected huge job growth and a drop in unemployment over the next four years.

But are they projecting anything close to 12 million in the next 4 years?

 

[eBay Huckster]

I am looking forward to all the fact checking that will be going on here during next week's DNC convention.

I'm looking forward to seeing every news outlet calling Obama and/or Biden out for pathologically lying for an hour throughout their convention speeches.

Oh wait, it won't happen because the Democrats aren't a reactionary party cloaked in the ashes of another ideology (ergo they don't need to outright lie for their policy positions to be the remotest bit of palatable).

They are not planning to anymore. They tried fighting the campaign on that plank and were getting beat badly.

Their strategy now is to paint Obama as a non-American loving, foreign looking, foreign sounding guy who doesn't care about White people much and will give Welfare checks to his fellow buddies (Black people).

They tried that in 2008, too. Didn't seem to work out too well.

 

[Aaron Strife]

They are not planning to anymore. They tried fighting the campaign on that plank and were getting beat badly.

Their strategy now is to paint Obama as a non-American loving, foreign looking, foreign sounding guy who doesn't care about White people much and will give Welfare checks to his fellow buddies (Black people).

Said it before and I'll say it again - they've given up on winning. Their only initiative now is to salvage their House majority and maybe pick off a few Senate seats.

But are they projecting anything close to 12 million in the next 4 years?

In march 2011 they projected about half that through 2016. But most of the recent stuff they put out is warning about going off the "fiscal cliff" so I'm not sure what their current numbers are, but I seem to remember it was something like that.

Romney did say the UE would be 6% by the end of his first term and that's what they're projecting, so maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

 

[LosDaddie]

With respect to black republicans, there's no question that the left reacts quite bitterly to them. Al Sharpton is especially guilty of hurling ignorant charges at them, and I'd argue that he represents the views of many older black people on the topic. Rice is quite moderate on social issues, is a hawk on foreign policy, and is conservative on economic issues. I disagree with her on most things, but to label her a house negro is insulting. And of course, you don't have to go far on GAF or liberal blogs to see multiple people making belittling comments about black republicans; even the dumbest ones like Cain don't deserve that shit. And it's very hard to defend Cain actually, given his almost blatant distaste for black people (based on the ridiculous comments he has made about them over the last two years)

I always enjoy the "Minority conservatives are mistreated by the Left" because almost every minority conservative I've met IRL has made it a point to try to out-conservative other conservatives. Cain is a prime example of this.

Look at Right's latest minority darling, Mia Love. This is what she's running on:

If elected in November, Love would be the first black Republican woman in Congress and Utah's first black representative. She said she would join the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C., should she win.

"Yes, yes. I would join the Congressional Black Caucus and try to take that thing apart from the inside out," she said.

She doesn't want to try to find common ground, or broaden the CBC's scope in Congress. She wants to destroy it, and is CAMPAIGNING on doing so. And if she wins her seat, she'll go running to Fox News about how uninviting the CBC was to her.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

They tried that in 2008, too. Didn't seem to work out too well.

It did in 2010.

I always enjoy the "Minority conservatives are mistreated by the Left" because almost every minority conservative I've met IRL has made it a point to try to out-conservative other conservatives. Cain is a prime example of this.

Look at Right's latest minority darling, Mia Love. This is what she's running on:

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She doesn't want to try to find common ground, or broaden the CBC's scope in Congress. She wants to destroy it, and is CAMPAIGNING on doing so. And if she wins her seat, she'll go running to Fox News about how uninviting the CBC was to her.

Well they do tend to get the Uncle Tom shit tossed at them a lot. So it's not without validity.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Now, I think the Democrats would benefit hugely from reaching back to their labor ties and creating some sort of working-class caucus, but they're hampered in this by the fact that Congresspeople are no longer working-class. But that's where I'd start addressing this issue -- because labor is certainly a special interest that belongs in the big tent. Joe Biden might be the best person to do this, in many ways.

Good post.

Might be hard to pull that off and still support free trade as much as they do now.

 

[eznark]

Martinez speech was really good.

Paul Ryan's speech was not quite as good. (we all got a boner at the "central planner" line right?)

Condoleeza Rice is frightening.

 

[markatisu]

It did in 2010..

Big difference, that was a midterm. Presidential Elections are completely different with more voters and different demographics