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[King Dazzar]

Well they were Pro threads until Bojji starts selling us his PC's in them.

 

[rofif]

They destroyed MS (or MS destroyed themselves?) so there can be only PC vs. PS5 war from now on.

fair enough. A war it must be then

 

[XXL]

Well they were Pro threads until Bojji starts selling us his PC's in them.

 

[Bojji]

fair enough. A war it must be then

There is always some platform/console war happening. Since gen 1 to infinity...

 

[Senua]

And that tells you everything you need to know.

A ton of us own gaming PCs as well as consoles......I've never in my life seen PC only gamers act sooooo fucking insecure regarding a console launch.

It's embarrassing.

It's really not that deep mate, it's people discussing the positives and negatives of each platform. We're all enthusiast gamers here but people just keep getting their panties in a twist.

 

[XXL]

They destroyed MS (or MS destroyed themselves?) so there can be only PC vs. PS5 war from now on.



I would like to know WHY PC gamers are insecure in your opinion.

I honestly have no fucking idea.

But it's super fucking embarrassing, I can tell you that much.

 

[bender]

My point here was that it's hard to NOT post in Pro related threads...

 

[Bojji]

I honestly have no fucking idea.

But it's super fucking embarrassing, I can tell you that much.

You are assuming that they (you are also including me there of course) are insecure. I just don't understand the reason.

 

[Topher]

But I didn't create those threads. My point here was that it's hard to NOT post in Pro related threads when most hardware threads are Pro related.

I'm sorry that my opinion about Pro don't align with opinion from most loyal Sony fans but what can I do?

I'm just messing around my man

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

They destroyed MS (or MS destroyed themselves?) so there can be only PC vs. PS5 war from now on.



I would like to know WHY PC gamers are insecure in your opinion.

How do you expect to beat us in a war when you're always having to troubleshoot when you pull the trigger?

 

[XXL]

Perfect timing.

 

[Zathalus]

Why? I acknowledged the more powerful hardware of PC.

It just isn't that noticeable anymore. Much less even now that PS5 Pro released.

If you have the hardware to push it absolutely is. Not in all games, but enough to matter.

 

[DanielG165]

Goodness. I don’t know why it’s always incredibly difficult for people to acknowledge someone’s else’s enjoyment of a product, and then move on with their day. It’s not hard, guys. My PC is my main platform, always will be. It’s connected to the TV in my bedroom, and I use it as a giant console when not working. However, guess what is now next to it? A Series X. Why? Because I can still find value in owning a console, especially a current gen one.

Consoles are just… Innately easier to pick up and play than a PC is, whether by 5% or whatever, they’re designed to be comfortable, and are a joy to play on. Just because the PS5 Pro exists, doesn’t mean that your PC has suddenly become ex-communicated, or that it’s being threatened in any way. You can very easily go above the console if you have the expendable cash, but what the Pro DOES offer is an easy access into higher quality gaming. That’s a good thing. When the PS5 and Series X were released, and they supported RT, that was a good thing. The Pro’s existence is a positive in that, techniques in video games will now be available to more people, not on the same scale as a monster PC, but available all the same.

Ultimately, let people enjoy things. This world is broken enough, so having someone come in and simply share their excitement over their new toy isn’t going to hurt you, nor should it. There are plenty of people in here, including me, who are PC-users, but still enjoy our consoles… And that’s okay. For the home console market, the PS5 Pro is a beast. Hell, the Series X and base PS5 are very much still beastly machines, and they came out 4 years ago. Consoles are great, PCs are great, stop bickering over which is superior and go play and your games and projects.

Have fun with your PS5 Pro, OP.

 

[Senua]

Goodness. I don’t know why it’s always incredibly difficult for people to acknowledge someone’s else’s enjoyment of a product, and then move on with their day. It’s not hard, guys. My PC is my main platform, always will be. It’s connected to the TV in my bedroom, and I use it as a giant console when not working. However, guess what is now next to it? A Series X. Why? Because I can still find value in owning a console, especially a current gen one.

Consoles are just… Innately easier to pick up and play than a PC is, whether by 5% or whatever, they’re designed to be comfortable, and are a joy to play on. Just because the PS5 Pro exists, doesn’t mean that your PC has suddenly become ex-communicated, or that it’s being threatened in any way. You can very easily go above the console if you have the expendable cash, but what the Pro DOES offer is an easy access into higher quality gaming. That’s a good thing. When the PS5 and Series X were released, and they supported RT, that was a good thing. The Pro’s existence is a positive in that, techniques in video games will now be available to more people, not on the same scale as a monster PC, but available all the same.

Ultimately, let people enjoy things. This world is broken enough, so having someone come in and simply share their excitement over their new toy isn’t going to hurt you, nor should it. There are plenty of people in here, including me, who are PC-users, but still enjoy our consoles… And that’s okay. For the home console market, the PS5 Pro is a beast. Hell, the Series X and base PS5 are very much still beastly machines, and they came out 4 years ago. Consoles are great, PCs are great, stop bickering over which is superior and go play and your games and projects.

Have fun with your PS5 Pro, OP.

Thanks mum.

 

[XXL]

Goodness. I don’t know why it’s always incredibly difficult for people to acknowledge someone’s else’s enjoyment of a product, and then move on with their day. It’s not hard, guys. My PC is my main platform, always will be. It’s connected to the TV in my bedroom, and I use it as a giant console when not working. However, guess what is now next to it? A Series X. Why? Because I can still find value in owning a console, especially a current gen one.

Consoles are just… Innately easier to pick up and play than a PC is, whether by 5% or whatever, they’re designed to be comfortable, and are a joy to play on. Just because the PS5 Pro exists, doesn’t mean that your PC has suddenly become ex-communicated, or that it’s being threatened in any way. You can very easily go above the console if you have the expendable cash, but what the Pro DOES offer is an easy access into higher quality gaming. That’s a good thing. When the PS5 and Series X were released, and they supported RT, that was a good thing. The Pro’s existence is a positive in that, techniques in video games will now be available to more people, not on the same scale as a monster PC, but available all the same.

Ultimately, let people enjoy things. This world is broken enough, so having someone come in and simply share their excitement over their new toy isn’t going to hurt you, nor should it. There are plenty of people in here, including me, who are PC-users, but still enjoy our consoles… And that’s okay. For the home console market, the PS5 Pro is a beast. Hell, the Series X and base PS5 are very much still beastly machines, and they came out 4 years ago. Consoles are great, PCs are great, stop bickering over which is superior and go play and your games and projects.

Have fun with your PS5 Pro, OP.

Perfect post.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Ray tracing and higher framerates are very noticeable, that's why people who care about this stuff and have the money spend thousands on a single PC component to have all the visual goodies. And the 5090 will make the gap a lot bigger in a few months, for those lucky enough to get one!

Yes, RT and higher framerates. Features boosted by PS5 Pro.

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

Just look at these two vids back-to-back (PS5 Pro vs PC RTX 4090):





I think you'll have a hard time claiming PC looks vastly superior, especially since an RTX 4090 costs like €2000 vs PS5 Pro at €799.

 

[jm89]

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

With diminishimg returns being real, and pssr putting in work i think the diffrences wll be even closer next gen.

 

[Senua]

Yes, RT and higher framerates. Features boosted by PS5 Pro.

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

Just look at these two vids back-to-back (PS5 Pro vs PC RTX 4090):





I think you'll have a hard time claiming PC looks vastly superior, especially since an RTX 4090 costs like €2000 vs PS5 Pro at €799.

Seriously? You're using a game developed exclusively for the playstation 5 with no raytracing effects to prove that high end PC has next to no advantages? You can do way better mate.

 

[TrebleShot]

Yes, RT and higher framerates. Features boosted by PS5 Pro.

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

Just look at these two vids back-to-back (PS5 Pro vs PC RTX 4090):





I think you'll have a hard time claiming PC looks vastly superior, especially since an RTX 4090 costs like €2000 vs PS5 Pro at €799.

Zero Dawn remaster definitely looks better on my 4090 but as you say its not VASTly better its like 10% better, worth mentioning it does not use PSSR on PS5 pro for whatever reason.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Seriously? You're using a game developed exclusively for the playstation 5 with no raytracing effects to prove that high end PC has next to no advantages? You can do way better mate.

What's wrong? I asked you a question. This is reality, not theoretical blabbering.

Pick another game then.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Zero Dawn remaster definitely looks better on my 4090 but as you say its not VASTly better its like 10% better, worth mentioning it does not use PSSR on PS5 pro for whatever reason.

Yeah, that was my point.
Obviously PC will always have better hardware, but differences are becoming smaller and PS5 Pro just made em smaller.

 

[TrebleShot]

Yeah, that was my point.
Obviously PC will always have better hardware, but differences are becoming smaller and PS5 Pro just made em smaller.

yeah thats where I think alot of the PC only guys are getting upset, they think people are claiming the ps5 pro was aiming for or is better when it really isnt.

 

[Senua]

What's wrong? I asked you a question. This is reality, not theoretical blabbering.

Pick another game then.

Cyberpunk 2077 is a good example of high end GPUs pushing graphical fidelity to the next level. Even a 4090 is punished hard with full path tracing at higher resolutions. Many of the latest Unreal 5 games are extremely heavy and run at a very low internal resolution on consoles with software lumen. RT/PT with higher framerates and amazing IQ is the goal we all want to achieve. 4090 gets there but it's not enough, the 5090 will be a big leap towards that goal.

 

[Sooner]

Not a game.. but slightly better hardware that's still less than a mid tier pc.

That's actually sad

Being triggered because others are excited is what's sad.

 

[saintjules]

I was blown away when playing horizon Forbidden West. It felt like next gen finally arrived

I had to pause for a second because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I'm like this definitely did not look like the same game when playing on the base. Almost felt like you go into the screen or something.

 

[Zathalus]

What's wrong? I asked you a question. This is reality, not theoretical blabbering.

Pick another game then.

Any game that heavily pushes RT would still have quite the gap in visuals or performance when comparing top end PC gaming and the Pro. Cyberpunk 2077 is the most famous example but some recent release include the likes of Black Myth and Silent Hill 2.

 

[Schmendrick]

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

Now do the same with a game that actually includes high end features like full PT on both platforms.....oh wait

Nonsensical argumentation.

 

[Gaiff]

Yes, RT and higher framerates. Features boosted by PS5 Pro.

Face it, differences are getting smaller.

Just look at these two vids back-to-back (PS5 Pro vs PC RTX 4090):





I think you'll have a hard time claiming PC looks vastly superior, especially since an RTX 4090 costs like €2000 vs PS5 Pro at €799.

It’s a Sony game that doesn’t offer much beyond the console version. Some other games such as Black Myth: Wukong, Cyberpunk 2077, or Alan Wake 2 still look a lot better on a high-end PC.

Furthermore, the PS5 Pro hit the reset button as in, it allowed the PS5 which was falling horribly behind to catch up. When the RTX 50 series drop and games are pushed to even higher levels, the difference will gradually return until the PS6 hits the shelves and we’ll be redoing the same thing again.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Nah, I’m not going back to consoles.

I’m happy just focusing on one platform, and at this point my PC library is probably close to 2500k games. I’ve got so much in my backlog that I’ve yet to get to, plus Sony supports PC so no need for me really. I’d be a fool to drop $1k on a Pro setup.

Plus I’ve just got other interests, and I’m not as eager to drop big money on gaming like I used to.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Cyberpunk 2077 is a good example of high end GPUs pushing graphical fidelity to the next level. Even a 4090 is punished hard with full path tracing at higher resolutions. Many of the latest Unreal 5 games are extremely heavy and run at a very low internal resolution on consoles with software lumen. RT/PT with higher framerates and amazing IQ is the goal we all want to achieve. 4090 gets there but it's not enough, the 5090 will be a big leap towards that goal.

Smart to pick Cyberpunk, but even then, my point still stands.

PC 4090 doesn't look vastly superior here either:





Remember, this is a €2000 GPU vs a €799 PS5 Pro in Performance mode and Cyberpunk doesn't even added Pro-support (yet).

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Any game that heavily pushes RT would still have quite the gap in visuals or performance when comparing top end PC gaming and the Pro. Cyberpunk 2077 is the most famous example but some recent release include the likes of Black Myth and Silent Hill 2.

Now do the same with a game that actually includes high end features like full PT on both platforms.....oh wait

Nonsensical argumentation.

It’s a Sony game that doesn’t offer much beyond the console version. Some other games such as Black Myth: Wukong, Cyberpunk 2077, or Alan Wake 2 still look a lot better on a high-end PC.

Furthermore, the PS5 Pro hit the reset button as in, it allowed the PS5 which was falling horribly behind to catch up. When the RTX 50 series drop and games are pushed to even higher levels, the difference will gradually return until the PS6 hits the shelves and we’ll be redoing the same thing again.

I would say the same if a €799 console comes pretty close to a €2000+ GPU + system.

Diminishing returns are real and all I'm saying is that because of it, the gap is getting closer.

 

[Senua]

Smart to pick Cyberpunk, but even then, my point still stands.

PC 4090 doesn't look vastly superior here either:

Oh dear god, PS5 performance mode with its rasterised lighting, poor GI and SSR. It sure butts heads with that fully path traced model. You're fooling no one.

 

[M.W.]

I'll get one once new games out ie PS exclusives.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Oh dear god, PS5 performance mode with its rasterised lighting, poor GI and SSR. It sure butts heads with that fully path traced model. You're fooling no one.

The difference really isn't that big on my OLED.

 

[Vick]

Smart to pick Cyberpunk, but even then, my point still stands.

PC 4090 doesn't look vastly superior here either:





Remember, this is a €2000 GPU vs a €799 PS5 Pro in Performance mode and Cyberpunk doesn't even added Pro-support (yet).

Cyberpunk on a 4090 PT is a different game altogether.



If you know what to look for, there's just no going back. You can push it even to this kind of absurd extents you'll only see next-gen:



There's countless games with little to no difference with PC, some even better on Pro (and few even way better like DMC5 or Dead Rising Deluxe), but you picked a game that's a literal generation apart.

 

[Senua]

The difference really isn't that big on my OLED.

Well you best stay on the PS5 basic if so, the Pro would probably be a waste on you.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Any sort of console power bump is appreciated. I still play a lot of stuff (particularly western) on PC, but between Japanese devs continuing to do shitty PC ports and the seemingly endless stuttering issues, my preference has shifted more and more back to consoles for most of the games I play. Especially considering that I have to play catch-up on a lot of the PS5's catalog, I'm guessing the Pro is going to get a hell of a lot of use for me.

 

[Gaiff]

The difference really isn't that big on my OLED.

Oh, so we're just gonna be dishonest. Carry on then.

I played Cyberpunk 2077 on my 2080 Ti where it's still far superior to the console version and it still looks a lot better on the 4090. By all means though, tell yourself there's no difference if that makes you feel better.

Well you best stay on the PS5 basic if so, the Pro would probably be a waste on you.

He's been doing that bullshit for years. Pretending there's little difference between a regular PS5 and a 4090, but then he turns around and gushes over the Pro where the difference is even smaller.

 

[Zathalus]

I would say the same if a €799 console comes pretty close to a €2000+ GPU + system.

Diminishing returns are real and all I'm saying is that because of it, the gap is getting closer.

When the PS5 launched it was outperformed by the brand new 3070 and the top end, just released 3090 was almost twice as fast.

Today the Pro is outperformed by the 1.5 year old 4070 and the two year old 4090 is over twice as fast. Sure the Pro had caught up with upscaling, but the gap in RT has widened even further. The 5000 series is also releasing in under 3 months.

No, the gap isn’t getting closer. Any future PT (and current) games with PT will simply not be possible on the Pro and will have to wait for the PS6 to be possible on console. And yes, this only applies to the top 10-20 percent of PC users, but that’s probably the same market share the Pro will enjoy.

 

[Senua]

Cyberpunk on a 4090 PT is a different game altogether.



If you know what to look for, there's just no going back. You can push it even to this kind of absurd extents you'll only see next-gen:

 

[Gaiff]

What will be interesting will be the cross-gen period with the PS6. How many modes will there be?

PS5: Performance and Quality
PS5 Pro: Performance Pro and Quality Pro
PS6: Performance and Quality
Series X: Performance and Quality
Series S: One mode
Series Z: Performance and Quality
Switch 2: One mode

There will be possibly 12 modes across 7 consoles at one point. Something will have to give. They might stop bothering with performance modes on the old consoles and just do one mode. Doubly true if there are significant CPU improvements where the PS5/SX might not be able to deliver 60fps anymore.

 

[Vick]

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Well you best stay on the PS5 basic if so, the Pro would probably be a waste on you.

You really have a hard time comprehending what I'm saying, huh?

I never said there is no difference, I said it's become a lot smaller.

 

[Senua]

Killjoy-NL

You really have a hard time comprehending what I'm saying, huh?

I never said there is no difference, I said it's become a lot smaller.

Yes you are quite hard to comprehend I'm NGL. What you said, is a load of old bilge though.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

He's been doing that bullshit for years. Pretending there's little difference between a regular PS5 and a 4090, but then he turns around and gushes over the Pro where the difference is even smaller.

You really mad because I say the difference on screen isn't that big, especially for the prices of the hardware?

You guys need to get your heads out of the specs for a change.
The differences are becoming smaller.

"If you know what to look for" is testament to that.

 

[FrankWza]

You really mad because I say the difference on screen isn't that big, especially for the prices of the hardware?

You guys need to get your heads out of the specs for a change.
The differences are becoming smaller.

"If you know what to look for" is testament to that.

If there's no pro patch there's no point in arguing. That's why the attempt to bait was with Cyberpunk

 

[Vick]

I never said there is no difference, I said it's become a lot smaller.

The differences are becoming smaller.

I really believe, at least in the case of Cyberpunk, it's the exact opposite.
I struggle to remember a point in time when there's been such a drastic difference in terms of visuals (not talking resolution and framerate, but pure graphics).



Please don't stop at the thumbnail and open the video.

Wouldn't count on a casual who knows nothing about tech/graphics to notice the difference while playing without side by sides, but for that same person there would be probably no difference at all between PS4 Pro and PS5 Pro.

 

[Senua]

If there's no pro patch there's no point in arguing. That's why the attempt to bait was with Cyberpunk

 

[Gaiff]

You really mad because I say the difference on screen isn't that big, especially for the prices of the hardware?

You guys need to get your heads out of the specs for a change.
The differences are becoming smaller.

"If you know what to look for" is testament to that.

>Cyberpunk has no Pro patch
>Pretends there’s no difference between basic bitch PS5 and a top tier PC
>Argues he isn’t trolling

Yeah.

 

[SHA]

He got a PS5 pro, not an Xbox Series X.

Respect though, PC is great and its good to see the Pro doing what its doing, I dare say il pick 1 up myself at some point the coming months. Looking forward to see how upcoming games perform onit.

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