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Having an extremely bad time trying to experience the content is not a dumb reason.
Gran Turismo 4 is the last great sim racer ever made, and Polophony has been a trash developer ever since, and it continues with their shitty descion of GT Sport. They will never get back to the greatness of GT4.
Bethesda can't make an enjoyable RPG to save their lives, their elder scrolls and fallout games are some of the shittiest jankiest uninteresting rpg world's ever made. Obsedian made a better fallout game than they ever will.
Witcher 3 got super boring half way through, it became tedious and every conversation overstayed it's welcome.
GTA4 was a much better campaign than GTA5, a much more interesting story and not as convuluted as GTA5.
MGS4 is one of the best MGS and action games ever created. Far superior to MGS5.
Short games > Long ass games.
Bethesda can't make an enjoyable RPG to save their lives, their elder scrolls and fallout games are some of the shittiest jankiest uninteresting rpg world's ever made. Obsedian made a better fallout game than they ever will.
Witcher 3 got super boring half way through, it became tedious and every conversation overstayed it's welcome.
GTA4 was a much better campaign than GTA5, a much more interesting story and not as convuluted as GTA5.
MGS4 is one of the best MGS and action games ever created. Far superior to MGS5.
Short games > Long ass games.
Plague Doctor
Member
90% of all pvp now are shallow cash grabs by developers to sell one time use shit and cash in on esports. It's easier to develop a couple maps, a dozen characters, and gameplay mechanics for pvp, and almost feels like taking the lazy way out of development. Most of the balancing happens after release from feedback from early adopters.
What was once a complimentary gameplay mode to a full game is now a paint by numbers, and in many cases, more important than cooperative and single player experience. Very few games build an entire game and setting around meaningful pvp.
PvP included on a full game is fine as it again adds another gameplay option.
What was once a complimentary gameplay mode to a full game is now a paint by numbers, and in many cases, more important than cooperative and single player experience. Very few games build an entire game and setting around meaningful pvp.
PvP included on a full game is fine as it again adds another gameplay option.
I could see it being like the shift Dragon Quest made from random encounters to having a monster on the field that has to be ran into to engage, but even then I'm not sure how well that could be executed as Pokémon is focused on collection, the rarity of certain monsters, and the surprise of what you find in tall grass. Battles are also typically one on one in these games, meaning no surprise monster party. Monsters on the overworld would just crowd everything as you have NPC trainers as well. The tall grass also sequesters the random encounters to specific areas.
I mean it would be cool to see Pokémon avatars on the overworld, but it seems like they're managing this already by making the world more detailed.
Elfstar
Member
Modern 3d Mario bores me to tears.
Every game since Galaxy it's so freaking easy, you can beat them with a single hand, and i don't care if things get harder at World 8, or after you beat the whole game, that's way too late.
Your game can be virtually "perfect" as much as it can be, but if it doesn't offer any kind of challenge whatsoever there's simply no fun to have.
Every game since Galaxy it's so freaking easy, you can beat them with a single hand, and i don't care if things get harder at World 8, or after you beat the whole game, that's way too late.
Your game can be virtually "perfect" as much as it can be, but if it doesn't offer any kind of challenge whatsoever there's simply no fun to have.
I feel the reverse. Game didn't pick up until Skellige, Kaer Morhen and after. Novigrad and Velen were a bit boring.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
When wages stop being stagnant, they can raise the cost of games. I'm kinda tired of publishers trying to remind me gaming is "supposed to be" expensive.
Jaded Alyx
Member
What about the people who haven't bought it 5 times? You have millions of people going crazy trying to secure NES and SNES Minis. Surely that shows there's a market for these games?
Especially when it comes to this thread which, lets face it, some only seem to see as a "safe space" to let their inner warrior vent.
But when you're playing games for 2x as long with more content then it's early 2000s prodecessors
A miniature console that keeps games forever at $70 is probably more appealing then buying a $300 console to play old games.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Sure but what about the people who already own that $300 console?
I really don't remember this ever happening. I mean I remember FMV games and played few of those, but majority of the games weren't FMV. Having wide variety of different games is much better than strict and narrow minded restrictions of what games should be. Losing certaing kind of games entirely (even those someone doesn't personally like) is much worse than what you are describing.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Oh, just thought of another one! 
Well, two, really.
> Fire Emblem is overrated. (Classic) Shining Force is better. Oh and perma-death is the opposite of fun. (They're not bad games, though, but definitely nothing great.)
> Persona games have horrible music.
I love all the Souls games.
FWIW, my comment about Dark Souls lore wasn't intended to disparage the games themselves, because they are my favourite franchise by far. I just don't play them for their lore and I don't care about it whatsoever, and I find the internet's fascination with it to be frankly bizarre. Bloodborne is different, though, it's legitimately more interesting and better put together overall.
For RPGs, you can see a list of my favourites in the "GAF's Essentials RPGs 2017 Edition" thread.
Well, two, really.> Fire Emblem is overrated. (Classic) Shining Force is better. Oh and perma-death is the opposite of fun. (They're not bad games, though, but definitely nothing great.)
> Persona games have horrible music.
Bloodborne is arguably the greatest game of this generation, perhaps of all time.
I love all the Souls games.Action-RPG and Action-Adventure are probably my favourite genre. Souls games, Nioh, Dragon's Dogma, Ys series are among my favourites. Recently I've been playing Dishonored 2, Gravity Rush 2 and Crash N Sane Trilogy, which I really enjoy, and I loved Uncharted: Lost Legacy (but only "liked" Uncharted 4, and hated 3 -- I typically don't like "cinematic" games). I like some shooters like Borderlands and the recent Wolfenstein games, but don't play a lot of them because I suck at them. ;_; I also like classic (and classic-like) platformers and side-scrollers like Ristar, Freedom Planet, Rayman Legends, Gunstar Heroes, etc.
FWIW, my comment about Dark Souls lore wasn't intended to disparage the games themselves, because they are my favourite franchise by far. I just don't play them for their lore and I don't care about it whatsoever, and I find the internet's fascination with it to be frankly bizarre. Bloodborne is different, though, it's legitimately more interesting and better put together overall.
For RPGs, you can see a list of my favourites in the "GAF's Essentials RPGs 2017 Edition" thread.
Yeah, they've all bored the shit out of me. Vanquish was probably the most obnoxious. Funnily enough, I was almost interested by Scalebound! I thought the gameplay had potential, anyway, but the protagonist was truly terrible, so no big loss.
Oh, I fully agree with this. Most 8-bit games have aged very poorly, unlike 16-bit ones. The QoL jump is just massive between these gens.
petran79
Banned
This happened mainly with CD-ROM PC games. I mean the whole industry was so excited about the technology and narrative of the genre, just like they were excited with Naughty Dog stories few years ago.
It also mattered that those CDROM games never appeared on consoles. TLOU storyline pales when compared to FMV adventure games like Tex Murphy, Harvester, Gabriel Knight 2, Bad Mojo, Ripper, Black Dahlia,Urban Runner etc Main drawback is that it lacks the cinematic liveaction element of those games. It is animation. Very realistic,yet still animation.
All this cinematic storyline was already done before and better regarding western games.
Melchiah
Member
Exactly. The more variety the better. It's a foolish stance to judge everything worthless, that doesn't fit a narrow view. I've been playing games since the 80's, and I don't recall this era where FMV games were reigning.
petran79
Banned
They were reigning on computers at that time. Stonekeep was one of the most hyped games
Melchiah
Member
Not on C64 and Amiga. Even if they reigned on PC, it wasn't like they reigned over all of gaming, since there were other platforms. Hell, PC wasn't even that popular gaming platform at the time, so its part of the whole wasn't that great.
Bruh...
Given that Dragons and Wyverns are mythological creatures, and TES is entirely fictional, I don't think it's a case of them not knowing, but not giving a fuck.
The common connotation with Dragon in the mainstream space is big, winged, fire-breathing lizard-thing. Most people don't give two shits about how many limbs it has.
Wyvern sounds lesser.
Iriscomeback
Member
Maybe not that controversial, but:
The only reason Fire Emblem is as big as it is now is because of waifu's and the romance mechanic.
Take that away and the series would be pretty much done and that's a bit sad.
The only reason Fire Emblem is as big as it is now is because of waifu's and the romance mechanic.
Take that away and the series would be pretty much done and that's a bit sad.
petran79
Banned
I was referring mostly to the mid-90s,when Amigas unfortunately were in decline. Dos/Windows computer game magazines devoted hundreds of pages to such games. Phantasmagoria was big and very controversial. It was even released in Japan on Sega Saturn. Praised for its storytelling just like TLOU and LA Noire.
When I see all those CGI games focusing on cinematic scenes with violence, I cant shake the feeling they were influenced by such games. I think those older games did it much better because they had actual producers who worked on films and used movie studios.
I couldnt help but shake my head when I saw Kojima praised as a movie story teller. Even those B-movie FMV games were much better.
Film and animation directors are not the same.
Melchiah
Member
I don't recall Phantasmagoria being praised for storytelling, and the Wiki page doesn't mention it either; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(video_game)
The bolded applies to today's games as well, and it's the reason why many enjoy the experience of playing story-driven games. It's also why they wouldn't be the same as movies. What I'll never understand is how the opposing camp seems to view them as a threat to their branch of gaming.
As for CGI scenes, they aren't that common these days, when cutscenes are rendered with the game engines. They were actually more common in the PS1+2 days, yet I don't remember this narrative against story-driven games coming up with the likes of Silent Hill and Soul Reaver series back then. If anything, the current games are more influenced by that era than the FMV games. The Last of Us even pays little homages to Silent Hill.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
How so?
marcbret87
Member
I quite agree with this to be honest. I have been trying to get into Uncharted and TLOU but I just don't enjoy the gameplay to be honest.
I'm amazed PUBG survived its fad stage when it blew up due to games media and streamer coverage. I bought in then too thanks to Vinny from Giant Bomb quicklooking it, and it seemed fun. Indeed it was okay, and playing with friends extended that some, but the novelty quickly disappeared.
Once you get over the "survival sim" aspect it's just another shooter with wonky issues and huge boring waste of time sections where nothing of consequence is happening. At 35 hours played, I'd say maybe 3 hours of that was actually "fun" within the game itself.
I know the criticism is that "kids these days need constant reward and stimulation" but my time is short and precious. Between work and home life, I feel guilty as fuck wasting 20-35 minutes where basically I'm doing nothing all game. I don't need to win, I just want interaction with other players other than playing the school and co ad nauseum. The best part of the game is the last 3 or so circles but getting to that point is insanely tedious and not even guaranteed.
I like intense, in your face pressured games like arena shooters and moba better where you need to be on point, thinking hard, and constantly trying your best every moment of the game. I don't even mind huge failstates. I like roguelike, but in something like FTL, theres constantly something interesting going on so when you die 25 min in and have to go back to the beginning, it doesnt feel like wasted time. I was engaged.
Playing a game where 95% of it is boring and nearly inconsequential to the 5% fun and good part is just not a fun experience to me.
I'm glad something weird and sorta different is taking off and pressuring the popular norm, but I can honestly say: I dont get the appeal.
I didn't get a chance to play myself, but I had to shut off the GB quick look. Man, when people say they thought Borderlands was boring... I worry they would literally die from Destiny.
Shame because I was happy they brought it to PC this time around so I could give it a go.
Once you get over the "survival sim" aspect it's just another shooter with wonky issues and huge boring waste of time sections where nothing of consequence is happening. At 35 hours played, I'd say maybe 3 hours of that was actually "fun" within the game itself.
I know the criticism is that "kids these days need constant reward and stimulation" but my time is short and precious. Between work and home life, I feel guilty as fuck wasting 20-35 minutes where basically I'm doing nothing all game. I don't need to win, I just want interaction with other players other than playing the school and co ad nauseum. The best part of the game is the last 3 or so circles but getting to that point is insanely tedious and not even guaranteed.
I like intense, in your face pressured games like arena shooters and moba better where you need to be on point, thinking hard, and constantly trying your best every moment of the game. I don't even mind huge failstates. I like roguelike, but in something like FTL, theres constantly something interesting going on so when you die 25 min in and have to go back to the beginning, it doesnt feel like wasted time. I was engaged.
Playing a game where 95% of it is boring and nearly inconsequential to the 5% fun and good part is just not a fun experience to me.
I'm glad something weird and sorta different is taking off and pressuring the popular norm, but I can honestly say: I dont get the appeal.
I didn't get a chance to play myself, but I had to shut off the GB quick look. Man, when people say they thought Borderlands was boring... I worry they would literally die from Destiny.
Shame because I was happy they brought it to PC this time around so I could give it a go.
dashonfire
Neo Member
Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 are some of the most overrated games ever. The gameplay is terrible and, the worlds and stories are completely uninteresting.
Have you played 3D World? Shit ramped up well and hard.
NamelessMonk
Member
I don't like The Witcher 3 at all.
Letme run away real quick now.
Letme run away real quick now.
I was debating whether to post what I wanted or not. It was going to be something like: "I think there are far better games than PUBG this year". But then I realized that would have been enough for certain people to crucify me.
I'm glad you posted my thoughts in a far more elaborate way. After a honeymoon period of about a week or so, I can honestly say I've actively hated most of my time with PUBG. I'm also glad it's selling well and people enjoy it, since it's good for my platform of choice to have such a strong game, but everything about it is completely unappealing to me. In fact, most of what makes it so great are things that I actively dislike in gaming.
To each their own, I guess. PUBG is just not for me and I will never find any appeal to it.
Elfstar
Member
It's the Wii U one, right?
Sure i did. There are some meaty levels in the special worlds, and the Champion's Road might be one of the hardest things ever in a 3d platformer.
But as i said before, this is basically end-game stuff that you unlock way too late.
I don't like how Nintendo manages this kind of stuff in some of their games, i get that i'm probably not their target audience, but they should give more difficulty options since a lot of adult dedicated gamers still play their games.
The problem with 3D World is it's designed for more than one player. I think single player is pretty easy and dull until like world 8
Greatest Ever
Member
3DWorld is so stupidly easy and aggressively mediocre my In forgot he beat it with me when I brought it up the other day.
I'd say 3D World is far worse in co-op due to being unable to fail without having all the players die at the same time.
3D World is too slow to ramp up, either way. I think it's still a fantastic game, and far better than Galaxy, but I'd love to see post-game stage difficulty be something you hit by, like, the early-middle of the standard game.
3D World is too slow to ramp up, either way. I think it's still a fantastic game, and far better than Galaxy, but I'd love to see post-game stage difficulty be something you hit by, like, the early-middle of the standard game.
I wouldn't classify Stonekeep as a FMV game.
Would you consider something like Wing Commander III a FMV game?
I think 3D World's easiness in co-op is a plus. It means if a good player and a bad player are playing together, the bad player doesn't get too left behind, and the two players don't get in eachother's way the same way they do in games like NSMB. Whereas if two good players are playing, the entertainment comes from the competitive aspect, where the game tallies up both players scores and rewards the better one.
I feel like this isn't controversial... they both seem so obviously better to me...
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Straight translations will always be inferior to a good localization. Awkward grammar and idioms without context don't make a script more "faithful," they make it worse.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I wouldn't think this would be controversial, but going by that Persona 5 thread from a few months back...
TissueBox
Member
petran79
Banned
Sierra adventure games werent strictly FMV either. They used FMV mainly for interaction and action scenes,just like todays games do with in-game cutscenes. Only Phantasmagoria made the last segment an FMV scene.
It is just that they relied a lot on it. While games for Phillips CDI can be labelled as FMV.Urban Runner too.
FMV was used as a marketing gimmick. Toonstruck on the other hand was the only game to combine "cartoon"with "live-action" FMV, a quite expensive endeavor.