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[DavidGzz]

Any influence from a game with actual good game play is a plus. I wouldn't buy it for $20 if it was just a graphical upgrade.

 

[Toots]

Any influence from a game with actual good game play is a plus.

You know gameplay doesn't just mean post 2010 action game tropes ?
Gameplay in Oblivion means brewing potions that will make you so smart that you can brew potions to one shot anything in the game, creating spells that break the game by turning you into a creature that can haul the equivalent of a decent sized building on their back, while going at supersonic speed, or jump so high you'll cross Morrowind island under a minute. It is whatever you want it to be if you take some times to learn the rules and how tyo break them.

That is objectively more fun and diverse than rolling around enemies like a spastic worm riddled dog...

 

[Sentenza]

You know gameplay doesn't just mean post 2010 action game tropes ?

No one said it did.
But what other "gameplay" does the TES series handle particularly well?

Gameplay in Oblivion means brewing potions that will make you so smart that you can brew potions to one shot anything in the game...

Gameplay in Oblivion means a progression system so comically unbalanced that raising basically ANY skill above the 50% threshold makes it completely gamebreaking .

Which is not just a terrible thing to brag about but also something that is COMPLETELY independent of the combat system and not related to having (or not) a Souls-like combat to any degree.

 

[RJMacready73]

Still not confirmed either way I take it??

 

[Sentenza]

Still not confirmed either way I take it??

I don't think the remake itself (regardless of how it will play or what it will look like) has an official confirmation so far, yet.

 

[ToughestSoul]

how many swings do we have to dodge until we can get one hit in

 

[rodrigolfp]

It’s not always about what a game invented.
Sonetimes it’s more important what a game perfected.

The Souls series popularized a style of third person combat that borrowed the Zelda Z-targetting and married it with

- better aesthetic
- slower, more delirate and “ meaty” animations with a more satisfying sense of impact.
- a WAY better balanced and more satisfying difficulty curve.
-a competent progresssion system that even when pushed to its extremes wasn’t so easy to break.

But you fan of the Bethesda slop don’t need to worry, because it’s almost a guaranteed that this remake won’t achieve any of these goals.

Except it didn't perfected anything other than in being too retarded, clanky, "stamined", crap hit boxes, combat. Zelda combat is leagues better than that shit where we can't even jump in combat before Elden Ring.

 

[Sentenza]

Except it didn't perfected anything other than in being too retarded, clanky, "stamined" combat. Zelda combat is leagues better than that shit where we can't even jump in combat before Elden Ring.

Inane drivel. Complete nonsense.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Inane drivel. Complete nonsense.

Sure sure.

 

[Toots]

No one said it did.
But what other "gameplay" does the TES series handle particularly well?

Well the guy i was responding to said it in a roundabout way. Surely you can understand what he meant by this :

Any influence from a game with actual good game play is a plus.

I pointed out the fact that different gameplay exist and that Oblivion was a juggernaut in the western CRPG genre.
Are you asking me what type of gameplay the series handle well apart from western CRPG type, the one that is at the core of the TES series ?
It would be as dumb as asking what type of gameplay the soulsborne serie handle well, apart from the soulsborne type of gameplay...

 

[balls of snow]

Good fp combat in an elder scrolls game as I live and breath.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Good fp combat in an elder scrolls game as I live and breath.

What is the problem with archer and/or magic??

 

[StereoVsn]

Personally I think it would be a mistake to lock Oblivion to Souls Combat and Progression system with UE5 on top. That will kill all the interesting things about Bethesda games, namely flexibility in what modding brings to you.

I would have rather them just remade Oblivion in the latest Creation Engine, tweaked combat to be better vs usual fare (plenty of mods to take inspiration from), improved progression and monster scaling systems (bar is low and once again, plenty of inspiration from modders) and then left the rest alone for the most part. Maybe added improved Oblivion gate experience and mob variety.

Implementing Souls Combat and essentially removing mods by going to UE5 is going to make this game pretty “mid”. We have enough Souls-like already.

 

[Sentenza]

What is the problem with archer and/or magic??

They are garbage as well in TES. that's the main problem.

 

[rodrigolfp]

They are garbage as well in TES. that's the main problem.

Garbage how??

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Hey, could be worse - they could have started to touch ESIII: Morrowind.

 

[Sentenza]

Garbage how??

- Poor balance,
- Poor aesthetic/animations,
- Poor hit feedback, better feeling of speed and impact with projectiles, etc.

Play archery in something like Mount & Blade and if you can't tell the difference in quality I don't even know what to tell you.

 

[Sentenza]

Stop quoting it over and over as well, Jesus Christ.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Stop quoting it over and over as well, Jesus Christ.

Best thing to do is just report it.

On topic, not sure I like the sounds of Souls like inspiration for this. This is its own game, just make the combat a bit more kinetic and interesting. Why not look at something like Avowed? I haven't played it but the combat itself looks fine.

 

[RafterXL]

Sure sure.

If that is how you play DS games, that's a you problem.

 

[rodrigolfp]

- Poor balance,
- Poor aesthetic/animations,
- Poor hit feedback, better feeling of speed and impact with projectiles, etc.

Play archery in something like Mount & Blade and if you can't tell the difference in quality I don't even know what to tell you.

Nothing of these are poor and you should not have any hit feedback shooting an arrow as you don't have any in "real life" too.

If that is how you play DS games, that's a you problem.

It's not really, don't worry. It's just a meme for some clankiness of the game.

 

[balls of snow]

What is the problem with archer and/or magic??

Elder Scrolls never had good combat. It was janky, floaty and just not satisfying. Thats fine because I play them despite the combat not because of it. From Bethesda recent outings, Fallout 4 was a half step in the right direction but still is dogshit compared to say Destiny 2. Starfield did it mostly right with weapon feedback but melee is still not good.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Elder Scrolls never had good combat. It was janky, floaty and just not satisfying. Thats fine because I play them despite the combat not because of it. From Bethesda recent outings, Fallout 4 was a half step in the right direction but still is dogshit compared to say Destiny 2. Starfield did it mostly right with weapon feedback but melee is still not good.

Melee combat maybe. Again: What is the problem with archers and/or magic??

 

[balls of snow]

Melee combat maybe. Again: What is the problem with archers and/or magic??

I was a fireball mage in Oblivion. Feedback was weak.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I was a fireball mage in Oblivion. Feedback was weak.

I am in Skyrim. Feedback is good.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You know that's fake right?

Fake what do you have to say about that uh?

 

[balls of snow]

I am in Skyrim. Feedback is good.

But is as good as shooting a grenade launcher?

 

[rodrigolfp]

But is as good as shooting a grenade launcher?

Why should it be??

 

[bender]

Garbage how??

Not garbage how??

 

[rodrigolfp]

Not garbage how??

Play with m+kb and see for yourself. Also use "proper aiming" mod. Play also Skyrim VR.

 

[bender]

Play with m+kb and see for yourself.

I did. It's trash.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I did. It's trash.

Trash how?

 

[bender]

Trash how?

Poor feedback, terrible animations, no heft, no feeling of impact, etc., etc. Play other, better games and see for yourself.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Poor feedback, terrible animations, no heft, no feeling of impact, etc., etc. Play other, better games and see for yourself.

What feedback do you want when you shoot an arrow or a fire ball???

 

[bender]

What feedback do you want when you shoot an arrow or a fire ball???

When you draw a bow, the tension to hold steady as you aim, channeling your spell, impact when the projectile finds its' target, etc. But maybe, *checks notes*, I was using the wrong mouse and keyboard that magically fixes the most common complaint in Elden Scrolls games.

 

[rodrigolfp]

When you draw a bow, the tension to hold steady as you aim, channeling your spell, impact when the projectile finds its' target, etc. But maybe, *checks notes*, I was using the wrong mouse and keyboard that magically fixes the most common complaint in Elden Scrolls games.

So you want vibrations from the bow tension? What for channeling spell?? Vibrations too?? You want vibrations too when the arrows and fire balls hit the target??

 

[bender]

So you want vibrations from the bow tension? What for channeling spell?? Vibrations too?? You want vibrations too when the arrows and fire balls hit the target??

Who said anything about tactile feedback?

 

[rodrigolfp]

Who said anything about tactile feedback?

So what feedback??

 

[bender]

So what feedback??

You do understand that animation systems for both players and enemies can give players feedback, right?

 

[rodrigolfp]

You do understand that animation systems for both players and enemies can give players feedback, right?

So visual feedback? What is trash visually here?

 

[bender]

So visual feedback? What is trash visually here?

What is good about that animation quality?

 

[rodrigolfp]

What is good about that animation quality?

I asked first. What is trash??

 

[bender]

I asked first. What is trash??

I asked second. What is good about it?

 

[rodrigolfp]

I asked second. What is good about it?

Who said anything about good?

 

[bender]

Who said anything about good?

You are the one countering multiple claims about the TES combat being poor with the likes of "use a keyboard and mouse" and "don't play a melee class". TES has a lot of strengths, but it's weakest elements have always been combat and animations which often feel severely outdated compared to contemporaries.. Morrowind is an all-timer for me, but I'm not blind to its' faults. While combat might have improved with Oblivion and Skyrim, they are still far from good.

 

[rodrigolfp]

You are the one countering multiple claims about the TES combat being poor with the likes of "use a keyboard and mouse" and "don't play a melee class". TES has a lot of strengths, but it's weakest elements have always been combat and animations which often feel severely outdated compared to contemporaries.. Morrowind is an all-timer for me, but I'm not blind to its' faults. While combat might have improved with Oblivion and Skyrim, they are still far from good.

I am the one asking what is poor/trash in archery/ magic. None of those are poor/trash. At very minimum much more than ok.

 

[bender]

I am the one asking what is poor/trash in archery/ magic. None of those are poor/trash. At very minimum much more than ok.

It's been explained to you repeatedly by multiple people, but you are purposefully being obtuse ("so you want vibrations'). If that's your minimum, maybe others just have higher standards and expectations.

 

[Chuck Berry]

These "leaks" are getting more insane and hilarious by the week

Next up - "Rumor: Oblivion Remake Leak Suggests It Will Take Platforming Inspiration From Super Mario Galaxy"

 

[rodrigolfp]

It's been explained to you repeatedly by multiple people, but you are purposefully being obtuse ("so you want vibrations'). If that's your minimum, maybe others just have higher standards and expectations.

I will "explain" then what could be an "poor/trash" example. Tibia archery/magic. Now what is a example of high standards for archery/magic??

 

[bender]

I will "explain" then what could be an "poor/trash" example. Tibia archery/magic. Now what is a example of high standards for archery/magic??

I think you've broken my central processing unit.