James Sawyer Ford
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2025/2026 release doesn't make a lick of sense.
Node shrinks won't be significant until 2028 at the earliest vs 2024
Node shrinks won't be significant until 2028 at the earliest vs 2024
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Rumor: PS5 Pro Codenamed "Trinity" targeting Late 2024 (some alleged specs leaked)
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Silver Wattle
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RDNA4 is rumoured to release in late 2024, no reason why an Xbox next would use less than RDNA4.
And remember, AMD would give Xbox early access to RDNA4, so it's not RDNA4 launch date + 1 year of Xbox production = Xbox next launch date.
techpowerup/my driver's rumour
True but I think Microsoft want to correct the mistake they made by releasing a underpowered Xbox. They know it's holding back there other products
asdasdasdbb
Member
It would be a huge mistake to drop the Series S. Unless they are going to give up on Gamepass.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I can see them getting that Zen 5 Nextbox out at twice the power of the Zen 2 PS5 Pro and have over 2 years of them being able to push the "Best console experience" narrative
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
And end like SEGA with the DC when the next PS arrives... We all know the story, it has already been written decades later!
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Perrott
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Dev kits must be on their way to third-party developers as we speak per Tom Henderson's original report ("late November").
Early December is going to be a fun time between The Game Awards, the GTA VI trailer and probably some additional PS5 Pro spec leaks based on the dev kits.
Early December is going to be a fun time between The Game Awards, the GTA VI trailer and probably some additional PS5 Pro spec leaks based on the dev kits.
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Horseganador
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It would be what is expected for PS5 PRO, a size similar to the original PS5 but with the revision design and more premium.
TheRedRiders
Member
If this is true, let's hope it has an effective cooling solution like the PS5 - mines runs whisper quiet all the time, I hope it's the same case with the Pro.
Physiognomonics
Member
This is what I was expecting. Using 5/4 nm a rumored 32WGP chip (like Navi 48 BTW) should be about the size of 7nm 20WGP PS5 APU.
PS4 Pro APU was smaller than PS4 launch APU end it had twice the number of CUs. This won't even be the case here (it'll have about 50% more CUs), this time they'll use overclocking to reach their Tflops / performance goals.
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Imtjnotu
Member
Fine with me
This is a stop the bleed situation this console might not be much more powerful than PS5 Pro but it will be ahead in innovation & have a chance to get a headstart for next generation software.
AI chips will be on board so they will be able to sale a different experience until PS6 comes along but that's only if Switch 2 doesn't beat them to it
Jibran#one
Member
Am I the only one who thinks the next gen didn't even started properly and yet the pro console is here ?
There is not 1 game where I'm blown away by this is truly next gen yet and here we are at midgen refreshes.
There is not 1 game where I'm blown away by this is truly next gen yet and here we are at midgen refreshes.
If this gen lasts until 2028...thats plenty of time for 'truly next gen games' to come out and get played.
Hell, games cross gen with PS5/PS6 will still be truly next gen. Prepare for next gen to have an extended cross gen period too.
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vivftp
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You living in the future? The PS5 Pro likely doesn't arrive for an entire year.
As for being "blown away", that's 100% subjective. Many others have been blown away by a variety of games this gen. What's not subjective is that many games have performance and fidelity modes that the gamers are forced to choose from, whereas the Pro can combine both into a best of both worlds offering. Or it can punch even further above that with some of the enhancements that go into PC versions of the games. Or it could help PSVR2 versions target native res 90/120Hz modes more often.
Salmon Snake
Member
Bring it Sony. Make a Tower of Power Pro for us hungry fucks.
After playing Alan Wake 2 I really wish we'll get a Pro next year and that it's going to be pretty "beastly".
After playing Alan Wake 2 I really wish we'll get a Pro next year and that it's going to be pretty "beastly".
vivftp
Member
Regarding cross gen, keep in mind that Sony's first party cross gen period was supposed to just last 1 year til the end of 2021, but it got extended to the end of 2022 because of the pandemic. GT7, HFW and GOW Ragnarok were all supposed to land in 2021.
I would expect they'll aim for something similar with the PS6 where the first year will have multiple cross gen games with the PS5 and then afterwards it'll be next gen only except for some live service games.
TheRedRiders
Member
Shame I know, but we should really be keeping our expectations in check as its only a mid-gen refresh.
//DEVIL//
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zuby is one of those retarded fanboys on twitter that post fake shit as news. guy got shot down like the bug he is.
ChiefDada
Member
Makes sense. I wonder how much uplift we can expect from boosted Zen2 clocks? Also more curious on GPU side if ray traversal is a lock. If so, that in and of itself will be a major boost.
TheRedRiders
Member
Bad news from what I gather, but all of the following is based on dubious sources.
Supposedly still using Zen 2 but with higher clocks. (RGT)
MLiD claims that the ray tracing uplift of RDNA 4 over 3 is modest - can't remember his exact words but he didn't sound too excited - dude has a clear bias towards AMD so if he's not excited about it then you know its bad.
Keplar did claim that the Pro chip may be using RDNA 4 technology but given that RT won't even get a huge boost in RDNA 4 I question whether it has hardware acceleration for ray-traversal.
All this being said, as long as the Pro can at least double raster and ray-tracing performance then we're in for a solid upgrade.
Imagine Death Stranding 2 on the PS5 Pro....
Perrott
Member
I know, but I still hope that Sony doesn't do the absolute bare minimum with it, as it was the case with the PS4 Pro.
I really wish we get something closer to what the Xbox One X represented last generation, as having a $500 console being able to run high-end games such as Red Dead Redemption 2, The Division 2 or Anthem at a native 4K resolution was incredibly impressive back then.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
We need Tom to drop some more info on this thing 
Imtjnotu
Member
We need Tom to drop some more info on this thing
Perrott
Member
When do you guys think Project Trinity/PlayStation 5 Pro will be announced?
CES 2024 should be next month, and that's where Sony unveiled PSVR2 last year and the Access Controller this year. Then, I believe comes GDC in March. After that it could during either a Showcase or at Summer Games Fest, at the latest. Them announcing the Pro on a random Tuesday on the PS Blog or in an interview with Wired is also likely possibility.
CES 2024 should be next month, and that's where Sony unveiled PSVR2 last year and the Access Controller this year. Then, I believe comes GDC in March. After that it could during either a Showcase or at Summer Games Fest, at the latest. Them announcing the Pro on a random Tuesday on the PS Blog or in an interview with Wired is also likely possibility.
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Ronin_7
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I advise people to not trust anyone but Tom & Kepler with specs.
All others are full of shit.
Sleepwalker
Member
Just release it Sony, my wallet is ready
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
You need to get away from that mindset that "we havnt even seen what these consoles can do; next gen still hasn't arrived". We more or less know now exactly what these consoles can do. We see where their limits are all the time. They're not capable of high resolutions at 60 fps in a reasonably demanding, modern game.
Performance modes by and large suffer from bad image quality. Alan Wake 2 and FF16 are perfect examples. These are next gen games with poor iq even in fidelity mode (ff16 iq is OK even tho it's quite soft). Neithet of these games even have Ray Tracing to worry about! Most console games either don't have RT or have a very weak form of it (like half or quarter res rt reflections). We'll never see Cyberpunk looking the way PC owners see it because the consoles arent capable of even getting rt relections (something key to the neon soaked look of Night City), let alone RT Global illumination (something vital to nect gen lighting going forward), and that's despite Cyberpunk running at 30 fps!
Just look at a bunch of demanding games. There's a clearly defined pattern of where these consoles come up against limits. Either we get a nice looking fidelity mode or a poor iq performance mode (sometimes poor iq fidelity too). In the rare case of a game that has an impactful RT implementation such as Spiderman 2, notice they couldn't push the graphics too far above the cross gen Miles Morales.
Now that most games are releasing as next gen only, we're not seeing that "secret sauce" that myself and many others hoped for unlock. UE5 games are struggling on these consoles. Best case scenario is a game like Robocop, which truly does look next gen with nanite and lumen working well, but that's highly linear and only really reaches those highs in its 30 fps mode.
The longer it takes for a mid gen refresh , the less likely we'll ever get to play games like Cyberpunk, Avatar, and Alan Wake 2 in their glory. We'll get a little resolution boost if they have DRS in place, but most devs are not going to bother updating these games via patches when a mid gen system arrives. We still haven't seen some games optimized for ps5/sx that could've easily been updated for 60 fps. Time is of the essence.
MikeM
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7900xtx/4090 PC my man. Otherwise, console will always be bound by limits.
I will say that I have yet to play a 60fps game where the image quality made it unplayable. You will always have compromise.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I want upscaled 4k from whatever resolution they need to use SO LONG AS they maintain good image quality with rt gi and reflections at 60 fps. I don't expect settings to be Ultra and I don't expect the base resolutions to be as high as PC, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for this from mid gen refreshes.
Rocco Schiavone
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Not gonne happen. You should be happy to get native 1440P/60fps with improved raytracing. If you expect more you will be dissapointed.
icerock
Member
This thread needs a bump. Leaks have been limited but the overall outlook with regards to specs seems little tepid.
With reveal of GTA VI, there’s only one wish. For Pro to have a competent performance mode.
This would be tough, ngl. And, with the overall density in the trailer, animations on NPCs, the physics, AI. It might genuinely be CPU bound.
With reveal of GTA VI, there’s only one wish. For Pro to have a competent performance mode.
This would be tough, ngl. And, with the overall density in the trailer, animations on NPCs, the physics, AI. It might genuinely be CPU bound.
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ChiefDada
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Maybe, but I don't think it's a given that these systems are CPU driven. Much of the ML muscle deformations and physics are run on the GPU.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They can't afford this.
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asdasdasdbb
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I'm getting the impression that MS wants to give up on hardware.
Perrott
Member
The regular consoles seem to be running the game at 1440p with FSR2 at 50-60fps already per the leaked in-game footage from December 2nd. So a performance mode on Series X and PS5 seems like a lock.
Now the real question is how much better the game will get on the Pro. On PS5, quality mode seems like it'll target 4K with FSR2 at 30fps with potentially full raytracing (global illumination, reflections, shadows, ambient oclussion), so maybe the Pro's quality mode will do native 4K at 30fps with higher quality full RT or upscaled 4K at 60fps with limited RT.
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Vick
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It's insane how everyone just completely ignores this.
There's the other Thread filled with people claiming it's going to be 1080p and sub-30fps..
ChorizoPicozo
Member
These consoles have been cross-gen/remaster machines. Competent devs are not were near maxing out the performance of PS5/SeriesX
ChiefDada
Member
PS4 Pro leaks broke around March 2016. The idea that we will possibly know all the tech specs about PS5 Pro in just 3 months time has me like
kotaku.com
And based off of absolutely nothing as if they know the bottlenecks of Rockstars engine. This ain't UE5.
Sources: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’
Sony is currently planning a new version of the PS4 with increased graphical power and games running at 4K resolution, developer sources tell Kotaku.
kotaku.com
And based off of absolutely nothing as if they know the bottlenecks of Rockstars engine. This ain't UE5.
icerock
Member
This is news to me, source on leaked-footage/frame-rate from Dec 2nd?
PS4 Pro leaks broke around March 2016. The idea that we will possibly know all the tech specs about PS5 Pro in just 3 months time has me like
Sources: Sony Is Working On A ‘PlayStation 4.5’
Sony is currently planning a new version of the PS4 with increased graphical power and games running at 4K resolution, developer sources tell Kotaku.
And based off of absolutely nothing as if they know the bottlenecks of Rockstars engine. This ain't UE5.
IIRC, rumblings regarding a Pro started in late 2015 around November. And, specs had leaked by GDC in March 2016.
Once smaller devs start receiving the devkits (which should be happening by now), we should hear more hints. And, in 2-3 months time by GDC we should know the specs.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Hopefully Rockstar talked with Sony what they need in the Pro to achieve 60fps in GTAVI. GTA VI will be one of the most imported games of all time.
Otherweise there's no point for me to buy the Pro because I can't stand 30fps on my OLED.
Well, in the worst case scenario, I'll upgrade my gaming PC.
Otherweise there's no point for me to buy the Pro because I can't stand 30fps on my OLED.
Well, in the worst case scenario, I'll upgrade my gaming PC.
It would be insane that there were already talks of the PS4 Pro back in 2015, but I cannot find any report in that year, sadly. Asking for help here.
Audiophile
Gold Member
Was really hoping for a Zen4c or something close, the impact on die space/cost/complexity would have been minimal and yet offered a major advantage. It'd be the difference between many games offering 30/40fps and 60fps.
If it's just Zen2 with a small clock boost, it looks like this is mostly going to be a more native pixels + more RT box.
If it's just Zen2 with a small clock boost, it looks like this is mostly going to be a more native pixels + more RT box.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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The only reason I might not trade in towards a pro is because i'll probably still be too much of a cheapskate to upgrade my TV . . .