IrishNinja
Member
alienator your video looks dope & im totally gonna try that when i get an everdrive! how large is the cart itself?
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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So.. Yesterday (sunday 18-8-2013) a new cartridge for the Sega MegaDrive got released =)
By our team of international demoscene ninjas, we have build a demo for the Megadrive that will make your eyes melt.. in a good way.. i hope.. oh god what am i saying..
It ended up 1st place in the demoscene competition @ Evoke 2013, germany, alternative platform-compo.
Anyways, u can download the .bin file and put it on your own devkit, or Everdrive via SD card, to watch it on real hardware... since not a single emulator out there can display it 100% (not even exodus)
some features:
- everything 50hrz PAL full framrate
-13khrz custom sound engine
-awesome screen trickery
-512color display
-yadayayada
download link:
RIGHT HERE
Youtube capture :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqJm14sHRY
so.. the first batch of carts has been sold out right away. but there might be a chance we will make some more.
Enjoy!
All the proper trappings of a 68k demo, nice work.
Diablohead
Member
Impressive titan stuff there, always love seeing old hardware pushed to the limits.
It would be awesome if one of those tech demos was interactive, like being able to control the rotation of the cubes or the direction you are flying in on the space ball demo, and such.
It would be awesome if one of those tech demos was interactive, like being able to control the rotation of the cubes or the direction you are flying in on the space ball demo, and such.
Shadow Hog
Member
Oerg linked that in Sonic Retro the other day, so I caught it yesterday. Impressive stuff.
How inaccurate was Exodus, anyway? Oerg told me about how it was rendering too many sprites during the ring-around-the-sphere scene, revealing a hidden message (
YOUR EMULATOR SUXX
nopes. the demo is 4mb, and will fit on a real cartridge. there is some incredibly dma/timing abusing going on. which is all undocumented but these wizzkids could figure out =)
The main reason it will be very hard to make it work on an NTSC megadrive ,
as our coder said in non-human language,
[21:10] <@****> NTSC gives you just 43% of PAL's DMA capacity per frame (or 51% per second)
[21:11] <@****> if you DMA just during vblank
[21:11] <@****> which is required by many effects
[21:13] <@****> and in general 17% less time available for effects that need to update every frame (that's most of them)
The main reason it will be very hard to make it work on an NTSC megadrive ,
as our coder said in non-human language,
[21:10] <@****> NTSC gives you just 43% of PAL's DMA capacity per frame (or 51% per second)
[21:11] <@****> if you DMA just during vblank
[21:11] <@****> which is required by many effects
[21:13] <@****> and in general 17% less time available for effects that need to update every frame (that's most of them)
baphomet
Member
Just a few questions about an everdrive for anyone who has one. I got mine Saturday, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. SMS stuff works fine what little I've messed with them, but no Genesis games are running correctly. They either load with graphical glitches an freeze, run for a few seconds and the everdrive soft resets, or they just don't load at all. I've used .gen, .bin, and .smd extensions and none of them work any differently. Stone Age gamer has been really helpful as far as an exchange, but I just want to know if anyone else had problems like this and it was actually something on their end. I've also used 3 different sd cards with the same results.
IrishNinja
Member
^ditto, much love to Rygar - my genesis SHMUPs just showed up today, hoping to play them tomorrow or when i'm off wednesday, you made my night man! thanks again!
Well, sir, that was quite awesome.So.. Yesterday (sunday 18-8-2013) a new cartridge for the Sega MegaDrive got released =)
By our team of international demoscene ninjas, we have build a demo for the Megadrive that will make your eyes melt.. in a good way.. i hope.. oh god what am i saying..
It ended up 1st place in the demoscene competition @ Evoke 2013, germany, alternative platform-compo.
Anyways, u can download the .bin file and put it on your own devkit, or Everdrive via SD card, to watch it on real hardware... since not a single emulator out there can display it 100% (not even exodus)
some features:
- everything 50hrz PAL full framrate
-13khrz custom sound engine
-awesome screen trickery
-512color display
-yadayayada
download link:
RIGHT HERE
Youtube capture :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqJm14sHRY
so.. the first batch of carts has been sold out right away. but there might be a chance we will make some more.
Enjoy!
Finally got my hands on Retro Gamer 118 yesterday. (The wait is excruciating getting it a month later than the UK!) It includes a list of the Top 25 Mega Drive Games as voted by the magazine's readers. The results are kind of interesting:
1. Streets of Rage 2
2. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
3. Gunstar Heroes
4. Sonic The Hedgehog
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 3
6. Micro Machines Turbo Tournament '96
7. Road Rash II
8. The Revenge Of Shinobi
9. Castle Of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
10. Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force
11. Strider
12. Streets of Rage
13. Flashback
14. Dynamite Headdy
15. Ghouls 'n Ghosts
16. Golden Axe
17. Thunder Force III
18. John Madden Football '92
19. Quackshot Starring Donald Duck
20. Desert Strike
21. ToeJam & Earl
22. Shining Force
23. Rocket Knight Adventures
24. Jungle Strike
25. Disney's Aladdin
Pretty solid list. Of those games, I've never played Jungle Strike, Desert Strike, Dynamite Headdy (shame!), Road Rash II, and Micro Machines. Of course, we all probably have a few personal selections that didn't make the cut. I'd have included Phantasy Star IV, Contra Hard Corps, and Ranger X and omitted Streets of Rage, Quackshot, and one of the Strike games to make room.
In addition to the Top 25 Mega Drive Games, other notable articles in this issue of Retro Gamer include a celebration of the NES, a look back at the Dino Crisis series, and a feature on light gun games that traces their history and highlights their appearances on consoles (Operation Wolf, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop, Duck Hunt, etc.) If you love retro gaming, you really ought to be reading Retro Gamer, too. It's a great resource.
1. Streets of Rage 2
2. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
3. Gunstar Heroes
4. Sonic The Hedgehog
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 3
6. Micro Machines Turbo Tournament '96
7. Road Rash II
8. The Revenge Of Shinobi
9. Castle Of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
10. Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force
11. Strider
12. Streets of Rage
13. Flashback
14. Dynamite Headdy
15. Ghouls 'n Ghosts
16. Golden Axe
17. Thunder Force III
18. John Madden Football '92
19. Quackshot Starring Donald Duck
20. Desert Strike
21. ToeJam & Earl
22. Shining Force
23. Rocket Knight Adventures
24. Jungle Strike
25. Disney's Aladdin
Pretty solid list. Of those games, I've never played Jungle Strike, Desert Strike, Dynamite Headdy (shame!), Road Rash II, and Micro Machines. Of course, we all probably have a few personal selections that didn't make the cut. I'd have included Phantasy Star IV, Contra Hard Corps, and Ranger X and omitted Streets of Rage, Quackshot, and one of the Strike games to make room.
In addition to the Top 25 Mega Drive Games, other notable articles in this issue of Retro Gamer include a celebration of the NES, a look back at the Dino Crisis series, and a feature on light gun games that traces their history and highlights their appearances on consoles (Operation Wolf, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop, Duck Hunt, etc.) If you love retro gaming, you really ought to be reading Retro Gamer, too. It's a great resource.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Indeed, though the exclusion of Out of this World is baffling.
The strike series was, and is, incredible. That gameplay would totally stand up if released today. It had these great, highly detailed graphics that made the shooting mechanics pretty challenging and rewarding. Great slow methodical gameplay too. Love it.
And you should definitely make an effort to play Road Rash II as well, that's easily the best in the series. I'm actually shocked they abandoned the remake for that, it's such a dead easy concept to nail, though EA would have yardsaled it for sure.
But, yeah, pretty solid list
IrishNinja
Member
damn @ that list...there's s a few i'd want on there but really, they got so many right it's hard to nitpick. while setting up my backloggery several years back i realized that between friends at the time & rentals, i played more genny than SNES overall, so i wanna say i played everything on that list except maybe that particular micro machines (other one was great too) and road rash 2. i still might've subbed one of the strike games for something else, but again i cant knock a lack of PS IV since there's not really heavy JRPGs on there to begin with. great list.
and yeah woody, your recent package inspired me, i subscribed! again though i wish finding back issues wasn't so expensive, but it's just such a high quality mag. hopefully my sub brings this issue soon!
and yeah woody, your recent package inspired me, i subscribed! again though i wish finding back issues wasn't so expensive, but it's just such a high quality mag. hopefully my sub brings this issue soon!
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
That list is meh... no PS4, Ristar, Wonder Boy in Monster World, CV Bloodlines, Beyond Oasis, Shining Force 2, Shinobi III, Vectorman, lol basically almost all my favourite Genny games are missing. And I'd put Sonic & Knuckles over Sonic 1.
Any such list is doomed to fail anyway, never seen a best of list of anything as voted by readers that wasn't offensive to me. =)
Any such list is doomed to fail anyway, never seen a best of list of anything as voted by readers that wasn't offensive to me. =)
I got a Mega Drive recently at a flea market with a random selection of games. I'm considering cutting these games down to buy others, but I just want to throw out there the names of the ones i'm thinking of selling incase i'm making a big mistake
PGA European Tour
Crueball
Two Crude Dudes
Psycho Pinball
Cool Spot
Road Rash II
The Jungle Book
Virtual Bart (Cartridge only)
Thanks!
PGA European Tour
Crueball
Two Crude Dudes
Psycho Pinball
Cool Spot
Road Rash II
The Jungle Book
Virtual Bart (Cartridge only)
Thanks!
Bar81
Member
I hope interesting is a euphemism for no clue wtf they are talking about. What a crap list for the most part - just the popular stuff. Three Sonics in the top 5 - that's a joke. Streets of Rage, Micro Machines and Madden '92 - that's just crack smoking. Where's all the shmups - MUSHA, Truxton, etc. What about Pirates Gold!, Target Earth, etc. I assume this is a UK list only so no point in mentioning all the great JP games that never came to the west.
IrishNinja
Member
they prolly figure they had the genre covered with TF 3 & 4 (they don't, but those are solid picks at least) and again Shining Force was as close as they got to a JRPG. the list is largely "safe" with popular/known picks but they did try to pepper it with some gems here & there too...honestly, id have a hard time doing a top 50 myself.
not seeing Rolling Thunder 2/3, Valis 3, El Viento, Trouble Shooter 2, Crusader of Centy, Punisher, Star Flight, etc (and stuff from my own list like ESWAT, Moonwalker and the like) but they did cover a number of bases at least.
not seeing Rolling Thunder 2/3, Valis 3, El Viento, Trouble Shooter 2, Crusader of Centy, Punisher, Star Flight, etc (and stuff from my own list like ESWAT, Moonwalker and the like) but they did cover a number of bases at least.
sixteen-bit
Member
I will never agree with a list that ranks SoR2 over BK3. My $.02.
Shadow Hog
Member
Perhaps, but while I'd rate Bare Knuckle 3 higher than Streets of Rage 2, I wouldn't rate Streets of Rage 3 over SoR2. They tampered with it too much for my liking.
Sounds like my current Mega Drive collection isn't too bad (as I have just over half the list). From that list I am missing
3. Gunstar Heroes
6. Micro Machines Turbo Tournament '96
10. Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force
14. Dynamite Headdy
15. Ghouls 'n Ghosts
16. Golden Axe
17. Thunder Force III
18. John Madden Football '92
21. ToeJam & Earl
22. Shining Force
23. Rocket Knight Adventures
I just picked up Strider on eBay today too. I think the next games I will look to pick up would be Gunstar Heroes, Micro Machines Turbo Tournament '96, Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Golden Axe, ToeJam & Earl or Rocket Knight Adventures.
I assumed it was a UK list only until I saw Madden on there.
Really? A list tallied up based on what games are getting the most votes from readers ends up being a list of popular games?
This wasn't hand-picked. I'm sure a lot of people sent in unique lists for their favorite games, but these are the ones most mentioned. It makes perfect sense.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
picked up another renovation game and a couple other bangers
sixteen-bit
Member
yeah SOR3 is dookie, that's why I said BK3
lostinblue
Banned
So... it's really using Blast Processing, right?
I reckon it was fast DMA access.
EDIT: I'd like to hear more technical jargon, and... don't you guys want to use that knowledge for a game? I reckon anything you print on a Mega Drive cartridge at this point is gonna sell easily so might as well have a crazy ass impressive playable thing going on.
Shadow Hog
Member
How's the Saturn version of Magic Carpet? I've only ever tried the PC one.
Diablohead
Member
magic carpet, what a game... kappa
baphomet
Member
picked up another renovation game and a couple other bangers
Ahh Technocop....I lived in the same town Razorsoft was in. They always had their games front and center at most game stores in the area. They're all pretty awful except for Death Duel. First company to really push the limits as far as gore on home consoles. I'm pretty sure most of their games had some sort of disclaimer on them long before the VRC started rating games.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
PC one is by far the best version but its "playable" on sat and ps1
Shadow Hog
Member
Not terribly encouraging, considering the PC version suffers from permanent Y-axis inversion (so confusing for somebody who prefers up being up), and worse, an inconsistent game speed. (I hear Magic Carpet 2 fixed the latter, at least.)
Bar81
Member
Good point. Their readership apparently includes a lot of Americans.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
What gets me is that on the back of Technocop's box is an in-game image of somebody exploding.
It's like they gave away the best part of the game before you even played it.
Bar81
Member
I don't think Battlemania 2 ever made it out of Japan and while I love the PCB, the genny conversion of The Punisher is brutal. Just some weird selections leaving out a bunch of classics for some very average titles.
Bar81
Member
I remember picking it up on SS but going blind and selling it asap. Love the game but the SS conversion is not impressive iirc.
Genesis Knight
Member
It's crazy how even with the retro revival, people are ignorant about Sega platforms versus Nintendo and Sony. I feel sorry for PC Engine fans as I'm sure it's much worse, but the ignorance and basic knowledge of "retro fans" talking about Sega on podcasts and in magazines is just annoying. I listen to Sega episodes of retronauts and even that Sega cast Jim Sterling did and I just have to turn them off. The number of facts they get wrong and the stuff they overlook drives me nuts.
So I'm not surprised when the readership of a retro mag spits out the same tired bullshit that's been kicking around for years.
And before anyone asks, I own everything except: (so I'm allowed to form an opinion on the suckiness of this list)
6. Micro Machines Turbo Tournament '96
9. Castle Of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
18. John Madden Football '92
19. Quackshot Starring Donald Duck
21. ToeJam & Earl
Of these, I would never buy MM and Madden. I would pick up TJ&E and Castle of Illusion if I found them in the wild, though. Never cared for Quackshot.
sixteen-bit
Member
When's the Genesis Knight podcast coming?
Good job.
Your group was the one that did the demo for Wonderswan right?
That was cool too.
Genesis Knight
Member
You guys can make fun of me (I was asking for it) but I know both of you have to feel the same way to some degree. Both of you have been kicking around the Sega scene a while.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Strider is kinda bad. It was neat at the time but it aged so poorly, I can't imagine someone still liking that.
Genesis Knight
Member
A lot of the excitement at the time was over how accurate it was to arcade. I still think it's fun to play, but it definitely comes from a different era with different standards.
I was serious! I'm former press! Seeing how badly current "press" and podcasters screw up the facts of retro drives me bonkers.
Genesis Knight
Member
I was serious! I'm former press! Seeing how badly current "press" and podcasters screw up the facts of retro drives me bonkers.
And on top of that, they build their opinions on that same faulty info. Opinions are opinions, unless when they're wrong.
I would do a podcast in a heartbeat. I've written some articles and reviews on Sega topics, and I record voiceover narration for demo reels at work. But dynamic between the hosts is the more difficult (and more important) thing. And most video conferences have so much lag that it kills the flow of conversation. It's tough to run a quality podcast remotely, I think. At least versus actual bodies in a room together.
Mzo's right. To large degree, a poll like this is a popularity contest, because it relies on the most mentioned selections. A "Best of" list compiled by committee or an individual would look different. (If Retro Gamer's editors composed a list, they'd probably only include only one from each Sonic, SoR, and Strike series, if at all.)
Yeah, I like Contra HC a lot, and would put it on my list, but do I think enough people A) have played it, and B) would like it enough to put it on their lists? No, I wouldn't necessarily expect that. The list is, for the most part, rather unsurprising to me, save for Micro Machines, Desert Strike, and Jungle Strike. Micro Machines I chalk up to being a UK favorite, and the Strike series I've never played, so I can't really opine on that. But I'm glad to see personal favorites like Revenge of Shinobi, SoR2, Sonic 2, Gunstar Heroes, Thunder Force IV, and Ghouls 'n Ghosts are also favored by others.
Lists like this aren't meant to be definitive. It is what it is: the results of a poll conducted by a website.
I think I have a few more published Best Genesis/Mega Drive Games lists I could post. I'll look for them later, and see how they fare.
Yep that was us!