sixteen-bit
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Now that they're under the same umbrella I hope we see a re-release.
Prices are absurd, lol.
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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Now that they're under the same umbrella I hope we see a re-release.
Prices are absurd, lol.
Nah, don't be sorry! It's easy to assume everyone is in NTSC-land on this forum
Don't you just love how the music in the Sonic games is faster than the NTSC versions and suited the games better? Yeah, I do too If you're thinking of Codies games, I belive Micro Machines Turbo Tournament (or '96? Or both?) were "J-carts", with two controller ports on the cartridge themselves. You could also play two players per controller (one player uses the d-pad to control, the other uses a WASD-esque layout with the Start button for "up") so effectively 8P games out of the box, no adapter required. Clever stuff.
For "classic" MD games, I'd recommend Skitchin' and Road Rash (1 and 2) as well. Street Racer was the closest thing the MD had to Mario Kart and wasn't really that bad, but not great (so I guess grab it if you see it cheap?).
Oh god, almost forgot. Sub-Terrania is a *must buy*. I'm pretty sure it's my favourite game on the MD. If not, then right up there.
Genesis Knight
Member
Ah, interesting. Forgot about that.
It's worth it for that silky-smooth GAU programming.
OmegaDL50
Member
Rocket Knight Adventures is an awesome game. One of the very last Genesis carts I owned before my system eventually stopped reading carts (I blame the 32x for this, something about that add-on just made some of my Genesis titles have issues)
Shadow Hog
Member
Obviously? Why would a PAL game run faster than an NTSC one? It's usually the other way around...
Yeah, you're right... had it the wrong way around. Stupid brain fart :/
Shadow Hog
Member
That's not to say I've never heard of it happening... Dragon's Lair for the NES is absolutely plodding in pace in the US, but somewhat normal in EU. I have no idea how that happened.
IrishNinja
Member
geez, i think i caught a proxy-boner...congrats Mzo! some absolute greats (some i never got to play either..heard so-so things about Vay but was still curious), and good looking condition too!
I think you live like next door. Feel free to borrow whatever, lol.
I love Phantasy Star 3.
But it is a bad game. Only love it due to nostalgia reasons.
The greatest part of the game is when you discover your world is a spaceship. It was a cool twist for the time, even though it was super obvious.
And yeah the multiple playthroughs end up being a big waste; only the second generation is really different. The third generation is mostly the same, except for small changes about where you start and whether or not your main character knows magic.
Last time I played it (on the GBA collection) I only did two generations by exploiting a trick and skipping the middle one.
Probably a better game than 2, because PS2 is ruined by the difficulty.
But it is a bad game. Only love it due to nostalgia reasons.
The greatest part of the game is when you discover your world is a spaceship. It was a cool twist for the time, even though it was super obvious.
And yeah the multiple playthroughs end up being a big waste; only the second generation is really different. The third generation is mostly the same, except for small changes about where you start and whether or not your main character knows magic.
Last time I played it (on the GBA collection) I only did two generations by exploiting a trick and skipping the middle one.
Probably a better game than 2, because PS2 is ruined by the difficulty.
HolyBaikal
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Since Mega Man is a popular subject right now, just how good is the Wily Wars?
It's definitely one of the more interesting looking titles on the Genesis/Mega Drive library to me. But I've often heard negative things about Wily Wars being a poor port of the NES classics.
But I absolutely love the concept and never have been and never will be a pro-8-bit Mega Man fan. I love Mega Man 7, 8, and Bass. And wish that Mega Man 10 wasn't an 8-bit game. So the idea of playing the classic games, but with updated graphics, sounds great and very appealing. About the only thing I'd miss is all the Roll romhacks that the NES games get.
It's definitely one of the more interesting looking titles on the Genesis/Mega Drive library to me. But I've often heard negative things about Wily Wars being a poor port of the NES classics.
But I absolutely love the concept and never have been and never will be a pro-8-bit Mega Man fan. I love Mega Man 7, 8, and Bass. And wish that Mega Man 10 wasn't an 8-bit game. So the idea of playing the classic games, but with updated graphics, sounds great and very appealing. About the only thing I'd miss is all the Roll romhacks that the NES games get.
I am a rabid MM fan who played the original games and then a repro cart of the Wily Wars immediately after to compare.
The games felt great. I can't think of a single complaint. I like how they look, I like how they sound, and I like how they play.
The biggest difference is that Cutman takes like a million mega buster shots to die for some reason. Had to alter my original route and start with stupid fat Gutsman.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I've played both the Wily Wars and NES versions of MM1-3 a lot. I don't have a particular preference for either version. I don't recall the new levels at the end being anything to write home about, but the weapon selector was novel.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Thanks. That definitely solidifies my interest in Wily Wars.
Also, wow, I definitely like the Mega Drive art for this game better. I'll be getting that version.
Also, wow, I definitely like the Mega Drive art for this game better. I'll be getting that version.
But Wily Tower has this awesome song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJQAbF2x90
I personally really like Willy Wars as well. With the exception of some slowdown on a Wily Tower boss (springboard above some lava) I have no complaints. I treasure my copy (first time I imported a game as a kid).
It's a shame "The Adventure Mode" (which is described in the manual) didn't make the cut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJQAbF2x90
I personally really like Willy Wars as well. With the exception of some slowdown on a Wily Tower boss (springboard above some lava) I have no complaints. I treasure my copy (first time I imported a game as a kid).
It's a shame "The Adventure Mode" (which is described in the manual) didn't make the cut.
Mega Man: The Wily Wars Manual said:
Shadow Hog
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IIRC the pause between you hitting the button and Mega Man moving (which is present in the NES originals; it's how you can inch a few pixels to the side without running full-tilt) is more pronounced in the Genesis versions. Also, Mega Man's head is enlarged, while his brother Proto Man's is not, which is silly. Music conversion's hit-or-miss; not a really big fan of the instrumentation, but it's okay.
I'd say stick with the NES originals for first-time playthroughs (not like they're not on every Virtual Console ever), and check out Wily Wars if you're a hardcore fan (because as a curiosity it is worth a look).
I'd say stick with the NES originals for first-time playthroughs (not like they're not on every Virtual Console ever), and check out Wily Wars if you're a hardcore fan (because as a curiosity it is worth a look).
HolyBaikal
Banned
Oh no, I love the heck out of them.
In fact, just in the past week, I played the first Mega Man game with Roll mods over 20 times. It's been a great refresher. Last time I beat the yellow devil without using the select button cheat. Which shouldn't sound that impressive, but for how rusty I am with Mega Man 1, it felt good knowing I didn't need to abuse the select button to beat the yellow devil.
I love the 8-bit games. I would just consider myself a far cry away from an elitist. There are some people who seem to think that 8-bit is the only way to play Mega Man, and I disagree strongly.
Shadow Hog
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No arguments from me there.
IrishNinja
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sixteen-bit
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Could they possibly mean that mode with the new bosses and levels that you unlock when you beat all 3 original games?
My apologies. I would agree with you that Mega Man does not need to be 8-bit to be Mega Man. I love this 16/32 - bit sprites from Wily Wars, 7, 8, and Bass.
Perhaps, but I think it's listed in the section on starting a new game, and Wily Tower is not accessible until you beat the other three. Could have just been an editor's mistake though.
Of course! My old Turbografx 16 and Turbo Booster (along with a couple of accessories and games) after I upgraded to a Duo.
Tempo is so goddamned pretty. I wish it were a better platformer.
sixteen-bit
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Latest Pop Fiction covers Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/zo88qk/pop-fiction-episode-39--sonic-3--michael-jackson
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/zo88qk/pop-fiction-episode-39--sonic-3--michael-jackson
Latest Pop Fiction covers Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/zo88qk/pop-fiction-episode-39--sonic-3--michael-jackson
Amazing work by GT on this one! Holly cow!
A Black Falcon
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Good job there, but I'm not sure if they entirely deal with Sega-16's questions about the truth on the rumor... did they read the Sega-16 article doubting that Jackson actually worked on the game? http://www.sega-16.com/2009/05/sega-legends-michael-jackson-sonic-3/Latest Pop Fiction covers Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/zo88qk/pop-fiction-episode-39--sonic-3--michael-jackson
That insider saying that it really was because of the sound quality and he only did a couple of tracks is pretty interesting, though. It could have gone that way, that would explain things. That would answer some, but not all, of Sega-16's questions, but not all of them... but of course, the video never even mentions or addresses the Sega-16 article or its points (contracts, publicity, etc. are some major unanswered ones). Um, yeah, there's a part of the story missing thanks to that.
sixteen-bit
Member
Sonic 3 is credited as having something like 17 different composers working on it and miraculously it's not a clusterfuck. Quite the opposite, in fact!
A Black Falcon
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I agree on this point; I don't think that particular point of his was a good one, people reuse things all the time. Some of Melf's other points (Sega-16 owner, and writer of that article), such as the ones I mentioned about contracts, publicity, etc., are better ones than that one.
However, I'm not convinced that Jackson didn't work on any of the tracks in the finished game; but I don't know if we can know for sure, given what info is out there. I mean, either he did do some tracks in the final game and then Sega and some Jackson-affiliated people (Scirocco, for instance) did the rest of the soundtrack, or those people who worked with him and Sega people together combined to make some tracks that sound just like his work, after cutting the real Jackson tracks. The people in question who have been asked have given conflicting accounts of what happened, so who knows which of the two it was... but it's definitely one or the other. I'd guess the former, and that perhaps they didn't have a formal written agreement yet or something, before he left/Sega dropped him? Who knows on that point.
Indeed, that is a good question.
The PC "Sonic 3 & Knuckles Collection" release from 1999 is what that release is. It is a Win9x PC version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and lets you play either game individually, S3&K combined, or Blue Spheres. The graphics are just like the Genesis games, but the music is redone in midi, I believe, and a few tracks -- ones that people think Jackson worked on -- were cut and replaced with new ones, which made people wonder more...
However, Genesis rom-dump ports on more recent systems have included the original music unaltered, yes? That has to be considered too...
IrishNinja
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ice cap zone & others you can kinda feel like it might be a stretch to speed up bass lines, but nobody can convince me that ending theme isnt right off of Stranger in Moscow. it's like Robo's theme in chrono & never gonna give you up, its just right there in front of you.
Just found and hooked up my old Mega Drive. I also managed to grab a couple of new-old games. First up was Streets of Rage 2, which i hadn't played since it came out. It is still awesome and as my first time playing it through a sound system rather than tiny tv speakers, just... sweet Jesus! The sound is amazing! The second game was ESWAT. Remember seeing this game in Sega Power magazine when I was a kid and thinking it looked incredible. The jet pack is a bit fiddly and damn it gets hard but it has me coming back to it regularly. It has really highlighted to me how modern games support the gamer away from/through frustration, while these older games don't give a fuck how you feel. Must admit I am enjoying later more these days.
A design theory which is, interestingly enough, called Respect the Player.
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New acquisitions! Lightening Force and - thanks to you guys talking about it recently - Castlevania Bloodlines. I missed out on both back when they were new.
Shadow Hog
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'97, actually. I distinctly recall getting this while I lived in England, which was from summer of '96 to summer of '99. I had an NTSC Genesis even while living there (we had the proper step-down converter, don't worry, although the plug was fickle as hell and would randomly reset the console if you so much as looked at it funny), and Sonic 3D had just come out for it, so, when my Dad was going on a brief visit back to the States, I asked him to pick it up. He came back with Sonic & Knuckles Collection instead. Still played the shit out of it.
A Black Falcon
Member
Hmm, I guess you're right. That later date was a re-release. I don't exactly remember when I got the S&K Collection, myself... somewhere between '98 and '00, anyway.
aygomyownroad
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My other half's cousin is giving me their old Mega CD as they don't use it.
Only has Sol Fearce (great game) but apart from sonic cd what other games should I hunt for? Looked up Keios flying squadron but like the second one on the Saturn its really expensive!
Only has Sol Fearce (great game) but apart from sonic cd what other games should I hunt for? Looked up Keios flying squadron but like the second one on the Saturn its really expensive!
Depends on how much you want to spend, honestly. Some of the best Sega CD games are Saturn-level expensive. I think Wirehead, Sewer Shark, and Road Avenger are suppose to be the best FMV games, and they run fairly cheap. Silpheed, Soul Star, Android Assault, and Robo Aleste are all shooters and are reasonably priced. The Ecco games and Eternal Champions are good ports of the Genesis versions with some nice additions.
There's a decent collection of RPGs, some cheaper than others. Vay, couple Lunars, Shining Force, and Popful Mail. Earthworm Jim and Fatal Fury can be relatively expensive, but they're basically the best versions you can get of each.
Working off US pricing, though. Not sure how Mega CD stuff compares.