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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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sixteen-bit
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Y'all Genesis heads got that 3D Sega Classics Sonic The Hedgehog?
Im waiting till I see someone comment on the 3D effect. Space Harrier is really well done, so thanks for that.
ResidentDante
Member
Google images "Tommo Sega" only gave me stock images, so yeah they are probably not even out yet :/
It's awesome.
I'm bummed they didn't go Outrun for one of the titles, regardless of the Ferrari licensing (could've opted for the Shenmue version, I guess!). Sonic I would've thought would be quite unremarkable compared to some other 3D titles (get EA to do Road Rash 2!).
sixteen-bit
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DC version with the generic car I assume?
I got Burning Force and Zero Wing at my local retro store the other day.
Oh man they're so good. Obviously playing with the switch set to 60hz.
And lol at the intro sequence of Zero Wing. Still a classic. For great justice!
Also, Thunder Force 3 has imo the best soundtrack on the console. It's amazing. Got my Mega Everdrive loaded with the GYM soundtrack for playback whenever I want. So good.
Oh man they're so good. Obviously playing with the switch set to 60hz.
And lol at the intro sequence of Zero Wing. Still a classic. For great justice!
Also, Thunder Force 3 has imo the best soundtrack on the console. It's amazing. Got my Mega Everdrive loaded with the GYM soundtrack for playback whenever I want. So good.
Double post, but fuck it. I've discovered the killer app for the Mega Everdrive. GYM playback.
Oh man, I've set up a playlist folder of my favourite Sega Mega Drive tracks, and it's pumping them out through that awesome sound chip into my home cinema system. I've even got a few SNES tracks in wav format. Amazing.
And I've just loaded this up on it:
It's a 100% accurate port of SMB to the Mega Drive. As both the NES and MD use similar processors, this port uses pretty much the same code. Music sounds bad on the Yamaha chip, but the game itself is perfect.
Oh man, I've set up a playlist folder of my favourite Sega Mega Drive tracks, and it's pumping them out through that awesome sound chip into my home cinema system. I've even got a few SNES tracks in wav format. Amazing.
And I've just loaded this up on it:
It's a 100% accurate port of SMB to the Mega Drive. As both the NES and MD use similar processors, this port uses pretty much the same code. Music sounds bad on the Yamaha chip, but the game itself is perfect.
Genesis Knight
Member
Plz listen to TF4 and report back once you've changed your mind.
There's a thunder force 4?
oh man.
Fox Mulder
Member
yes, but it's called lightening force in America for some dumb reason. It's even spelled incorrectly.
it's amazing though.
It's not bad, some levels work better than others. I've only played far enough to get to Spring Yard, but Marble Zone and the Title Screen work best thus far. The flowers in Green Hill Zone throw me off since some are in front of and some are behind Sonic, but it's not super apparent.
I bought it mainly so that we could get Sonic 2 in 3D.
As an aside, for whatever reason, I'm having a lot of trouble with the special stages this time around and I found a spot in Marble Zone where Sonic wouldn't curl up into a ball when he jumps.
Shadow Hog
Member
Ew. That format always sounded off to me. VGM is much better.
Dunno if hardware VGM playback is feasible, though, those things get large.
You're in for a treat.
Yeah, VGM is better however the Mega Everdrive does not support it. Either way, GYM being played out of the actual console is more accurate than VGM via winamp or foobar.
Burning Force is such an underrated gem. Everybody talks about Space Harrier but I prefer Burning Force myself. I really love the soundtrack on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQXYusFL7M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RAtfYn_gJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkHWod5aREM
Sweet. Do they link to the same thing? I can't get to OCR at work, but can see iTunes stuff.
Yep. 4th Day is the best track. And I never really liked Space Harrier, really.
Yep.
A Black Falcon
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Space Harrier is a lot better than Burning Force if you compare the arcade games or "best home ports", but Genesis-only, Burning Force destroys Space Harrier II for sure! That games' horribly choppy scaling and framerate really are not acceptable, just like most of Sega's scaler attempts on the system (Super Thunder Blade, Super Hang-On, Outrun, etc.). Burning Force, in contrast, runs well. Versus, say, 32X Space Harrier, though? There Space Harrier retakes its crown... but just looking at the Genesis games, you are right.
Another game with good scaling/framerate compared to Sega's efforts at the time is RoadBlasters, which plays great, quite unlike Genesis Outrun (or Turbo Outrun). Outrun 2019 matches and probably exceeds it, but that game released years later... and regardless, it's a fantastic port of the arcade game.
I loved the fuck out of Burning Force playing it as a kid. I never actually played Space Harrier until Shenmue almost 10 years later.
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Deleted member 74300
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Well I'd say I have enough Sega 32x games now.
Won an auction for a bunch of games. So that brings my game total to 14. I literally have half the games for the system. Was it worth it? Maybe.
Won an auction for a bunch of games. So that brings my game total to 14. I literally have half the games for the system. Was it worth it? Maybe.
Goodbye Genesis Virtua Racing, hello Virtua Racing Deluxe.
I think 1st Day is my favorite, but maybe that's just the nostalgia talking.
Gunstarheroes
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Your life is incredibly better for this. Virtua Racing Deluxe is probably the best game on the 32x, closely followed by Blackthorne
sixteen-bit
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Deleted member 74300
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I only have Afterburner arriving. I'd rather get the 3DS version of Space Harrier instead to be honest. Would have been nice if came in the auction as well though.
Revenge of Shinobi, why so hard?!
Just got to the factory stage, wasted two continues because of those damn airplane doors beforehand, and almost ran outta shuriken during the brain bot battle.
This is a tougher time than I had blasting through Castlevania 3. Some of these deaths are just cheap...but I cant stop playing lol.
Just got to the factory stage, wasted two continues because of those damn airplane doors beforehand, and almost ran outta shuriken during the brain bot battle.
This is a tougher time than I had blasting through Castlevania 3. Some of these deaths are just cheap...but I cant stop playing lol.
Got an e-mail that my cart is shipping tomorrow. I'll post my thoughts when it comes. Time to start my Lunar series play through. w00t!!!
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, Space Harrier, Virtua Racing Deluxe, and Shadow Squadron are my favorite 32X games. I think 32X Space Harrier is worth getting even if you have other versions, it looks and plays great and because of the continue system it's VERY hard to beat. I mean, at game over you go back to, like, stage 7 or 14 I think, depending on how far you got... something like that. You can't just keep trying from the level you're at.
Ommadawnyawn
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I'm all about Panorama Cotton when it comes to rail shooters on MD.
SoulStar is also pretty solid, but that's MCD. Panorama Cotton on MCD would've been amazing.
SoulStar is also pretty solid, but that's MCD. Panorama Cotton on MCD would've been amazing.
A Black Falcon
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Panorama Cotton's choppy and has kind of bad scaling, too much like most of Sega's scaler games (as I mentioned earlier). No way would I pay what that game costs, not with how it runs.
SoulStar is indeed incredible, though. Outstanding, outstanding game. The two Sega CD Batman games (that is, the driving mode in Batman Returns and all of Adventures of Batman & Robin) are also pretty good. Stupidly hard, but great apart from that. But of course the Sega CD has scaler hardware in it, so you'd expect better things from it than from the base Genesis. This is, of course, why After Burner III is so disappointing... but those other games do much better.
I have heard that Sega CD can be picky, so not sure. I used 700MB Verbatim CDs and they all worked just fine for backups.
MikeHattsu
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I've used 700MB Sony ones here. Worked fine for the Sega CD Transfer Suite. Just burn at a low speed and I'm sure most CD-R brands would work. CD-RW is less likely to work though.
Ommadawnyawn
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It honestly doesn't bother me that much; the great level design (with its secrets and alternate paths), mechanics and art style are more than enough compensation to me.
SS is not on par with PC (or Star Fox) in terms of level design and mechanics but still a very good game. Never got far in the Batman games.
IrishNinja
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^again props my man! for some reason, i could save MJ in spidey vs kingpin but not her, i'd fuck up the timing hitting the right wall & fighting
I managed to kinda squeeze by since I had two ninjutsu uses, and a power up. Hit the trap hole first, then Zeed, run back and ready to dodge hair, hit hole, repeat.
Took a few tries, but got it. That was just on normal of course, and I have no idea if the ending is different on a harder difficulty.
EDIT: That final labyrinth area is just stupid, and i'm not ashamed to admit I had to gamefaqs it lol. The rest of the game is all about patterns of course, and once you learn how to fake the bosses into doing what you want, its just about keeping up the pattern of attack. Some of the stage obstacles are just...maddening, but I will say its made me miss how the majority of games back then used to be. These days, there arent many games you can be "proud" of beating...aside from stylish action games, survival horror, RPG / games with a great story.
sixteen-bit
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Nice! Such a great game, even as it enters its 25th year.
Idempotent Button
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So many great posts and images in this thread; I felt compelled to dig out my stuff and see if it still works, plus snap a couple crappy pictures.
I deeply love all of my Sega stuff, although I have a severe lack of games. I hope to round-out my collection for all the various systems I own someday soon.
Take note of the XMD-2. Ever seen one of those little bastards (or the XMD-3)? They're pretty neat. Basically, they're the easiest way I've found to get high quality RGB, s-video, and RCA line out audio from the Genesis/MD.
I deeply love all of my Sega stuff, although I have a severe lack of games. I hope to round-out my collection for all the various systems I own someday soon.
Take note of the XMD-2. Ever seen one of those little bastards (or the XMD-3)? They're pretty neat. Basically, they're the easiest way I've found to get high quality RGB, s-video, and RCA line out audio from the Genesis/MD.
sixteen-bit
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Doesn't the XMD2 transcode RGB into S-video? The Gen/MD should output RGB natively.
Either way, those things are really scarce now.
Either way, those things are really scarce now.
Idempotent Button
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I'm honestly not sure, but I imagine that's what it does. In any case, it looks pretty fantastic so I have no complaints.
IrishNinja
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woof, Idempotent Button's pics are ballin' outta control, fucking nice man!
A Black Falcon
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SoulStar isn't just a rail shooter, remember. It's a good rail shooter, but it's a free-roam shooter as well -- and considering that the free-roam levels are the harder ones, it's likely that they'll be taking up more of your time, too. SoulStar's rail shooter levels are great fun, though, while the freeroam levels, and the bosses, all of which are fought in freeroam arenas, can be very frustrating... still, it's a great game, and definitely is better than SNES Star Fox.
On that note, I'm fine with N64 framerates, and think that they are entirely playable, and 32X 3d mostly is too (a few games, such as Star Wars Arcade in the trench/SSD levels, have drops that go too low, but otherwise it's fine), but a lot of SNES Super FX 3d games (such as below), Genesis 3d games (Hard Drivin' and the like...), or those scaler Genesis games I mentioned like Outrun, Space Harrier II, Super Hang-On, Super Thunder Blade, and such? For the low framerates in those first groups, or the horrible choppyness which is a framerate issue mostly but also is partially an issue of questionable software scaling... those I just can't take. They just run too badly to be fun. Star Fox 64 is my favorite rail shooter ever, but the SNES game? Between the awful framerate and the near game-killing flaw that they failed to include an onscreeen targeting cursor (so you have to shoot in order to know where you're aiming, which is very annoying), I don't like it much. Vortex and Stunt Race FX are no better. Choppy, slow, no fun. I actually do kind of like Dirt Trax FX, and like SNES Doom, though, so it's not all of them... but I think those two run faster than the other three.
I know this is a matter of opinion, though. A lot of people hate anything below 60fps, these days, it seems... but everyone has some limit where games stop being fun, yes? I don't care too much if a game is 30fps or 60 and often can't tell much of a difference, but I can definitely tell the difference between 5 or 10 fps and 20 or 30.
So yeah, 32X Space Harrier is absolutely amazing, but I'm not sure if I've even played Space Harrier II for the Genesis more than a couple of times, even though it was one of the first Genesis games I bought after getting the system. On the other hand, RoadBlasters, Burning Force, and Outrun 2019 show that it IS possible to do well-playing "scaler-style" games on the Genesis. Panorama Cotton, whether because of the ambition of the game (the amount of stuff they're putting on screen) or the tech, is not at that level of smoothness. It IS playable, I guess, maybe more so than Space Harrier II or Super Thunder Blade (and it certainly looks a lot better), but I just don't like how choppy it runs.
Oh, as for the Batman games, they're railed driving/flying shooting games. Very, VERY hard, but quite good and lots of fun... though yeah, I rarely get too far either, thanks to the difficulty. I love them anyway.
Great! I was gonna get one but I think I'm coming around to giving in on getting a Mega EverDrive.... But it sucks that it doesn't support SMS FM audio! God Damn it! Why can't I just have it all. Why? For all that money, I can't have it all.
So many great posts and images in this thread; I felt compelled to dig out my stuff and see if it still works, plus snap a couple crappy pictures.
I deeply love all of my Sega stuff, although I have a severe lack of games. I hope to round-out my collection for all the various systems I own someday soon.
Take note of the XMD-2. Ever seen one of those little bastards (or the XMD-3)? They're pretty neat. Basically, they're the easiest way I've found to get high quality RGB, s-video, and RCA line out audio from the Genesis/MD.
WonderMega Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk my jealousy!