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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe

Slermy

Member
*God damn sexy collection*

Damn, that's great!

Doesn't the XMD2 transcode RGB into S-video? The Gen/MD should output RGB natively.

Either way, those things are really scarce now.

I'm honestly not sure, but I imagine that's what it does. In any case, it looks pretty fantastic so I have no complaints.

Yes, the XMD2/3 (I have the XMD-3) converts the RGB into S-video, but it also acts as an adapter to allow you to use RGB with a different pinout. Some sort of monitor cable I think. Very similar to early Macintosh computers.

I'm curious how your XMDs are holding up. Mine has a bit of bleeding with bright red text, and if the unit is cold, bright near-white screens will make it lose the signal for a few frames. After the unit is on, for a bit it will no longer drop the signal (though the bleeding of red still persists).

In the end it won't matter, as I now have a FrameMeister and will be migrating to that eventually.
 

Shaneus

Member
Doesn't the XMD2 transcode RGB into S-video? The Gen/MD should output RGB natively.

Either way, those things are really scarce now.
Could that be a cheaper but still reasonable solution, getting something to convert RGB to S-video for display on a plasma rather than try and go analogue to digital? I assume the image quality would still be quite reasonable.

Edit: I've just looked up what that device actually is/what it does. Seems a) rare and b) not what I thought it was (I thought it was a generic RGB-Svid converter, not one specific to MD).
 

televator

Member
The first Wondermega is my favorite MD hardware from an aesthetic standpoint but lack of RGB support sucks.


Yeah, it's definitely an aesthetic thing for me too. I'm sure the audio and video chips are pretty inaccurate compared to a model 1. Just wanna wear some cheesy sci-fi glasses and show off the blinking lights and motorized lid to people. lol!
 
woof, Idempotent Button's pics are ballin' outta control, fucking nice man!
Crappy pictures? Those are pretty good. Real nice setup.

Oh please. A great many others in this thread have MUCH better collections on tap. :)

I don't want to spam by quoting all their replies, but I need to give serious props to a few folks.

Fox's delicious import collection
Ramune's 'paltry' collection (Can I make love to your copy of Panorama Cotton please?)
Dave Long's xbox-huge-collection
VVV Mars VG's collection (HOLY SHIT)
Genesis Knight's collection (ALSO HOLY SHIT)
Gagaman's collection
IrishNinja's collection
ckohler (sexy-ass-cdx)

I greatly admire you guys, and others too. You're all awesome.

WonderMega Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk my jealousy!

Just don't look too close; it's pretty beat. I'm not all that happy with it if I'm honest. I'd dearly love to find a new one, but I'm more likely to travel to Mars on a bicycle before I get one in that kind of condition.

Yes, the XMD2/3 (I have the XMD-3) converts the RGB into S-video, but it also acts as an adapter to allow you to use RGB with a different pinout. Some sort of monitor cable I think. Very similar to early Macintosh computers.

I'm curious how your XMDs are holding up. Mine has a bit of bleeding with bright red text, and if the unit is cold, bright near-white screens will make it lose the signal for a few frames. After the unit is on, for a bit it will no longer drop the signal (though the bleeding of red still persists).

In the end it won't matter, as I now have a FrameMeister and will be migrating to that eventually.

My XMD is actually holding up great. I haven't had a single issue with sending the s-video out to this guy for processing. It works pretty well, but of course I'm without the nice scanline effect.

I'm really interested in the Framemeister. What's the best way to hook it up? Can it be configured to just get the best possible image from the Genesis/MD and then let my iScan DUO perform the scaling to 1080p? I imagine the scaling isn't anywhere near as good as the DUO can achieve, but I honestly don't know.

Perhaps it's time to do some research.
 

Teknoman

Member
I saw Musha in there.

Either his family were totally Sega nuts...or that kid had great taste for a Christmas list. Parents could've known whats up too I guess, since mine to looked through NP and Game Pro every so often.
 

Slermy

Member
I'm really interested in the Framemeister. What's the best way to hook it up? Can it be configured to just get the best possible image from the Genesis/MD and then let my iScan DUO perform the scaling to 1080p? I imagine the scaling isn't anywhere near as good as the DUO can achieve, but I honestly don't know.

Perhaps it's time to do some research.

I'm not sure how the scaling compares between the two (the FrameMeister's scaling is pretty incredible for 240p stuff. If you wish, you can have it scale up to various resolutions, but then you might be introducing lag going between multiple scalers.
 

Teknoman

Member
Yeah I went ahead with it back when it was posted here. Did the

Pledge £30 or more
THE BOOK: The SEGA Mega Drive/Genesis: Collected Works hardback book. Your name will be included in the book as a Benefactor in all editions for evermore.


level. Ended up being like 60 bucks or so, hopefully it ends up as awesome as what they've shown so far.

Still waiting to see when Pier Solar Dreamcast / HD will be finished.
 

Zalman

Member
Hey folks, I've never owned a Genesis before, but which games should I get if I were to build a collection? What are the must-haves/staples etc.? Currently thinking Sonic, Aladdin and Castle of Illusion. I don't know much about the system. Help a newbie out!
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Hey folks, I've never owned a Genesis before, but which games should I get if I were to build a collection? What are the must-haves/staples etc.? Currently thinking Sonic, Aladdin and Castle of Illusion. I don't know much about the system. Help a newbie out!
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
Shinobi III
Ristar
Beyond Oasis
Gunstar Heroes
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
Wonder Boy in Monster World (aka Wonder Boy 3: Monster World 5)
Castlevania: Bloodlines
Landstalker
Vectorman
Alisia Dragoon
Alien Soldier
James Pond 2: Codename RoboCod
Rocket Knight Adventure
 

Rich!

Member
Shining Force
Shining Force 2
Shinobi III
Ristar
Beyond Oasis
Gunstar Heroes
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
Wonder Boy in Monster World (aka Wonder Boy 3: Monster World 5)
Castlevania: Bloodlines
Landstalker
Vectorman
Alisia Dragoon
Alien Soldier
James Pond 2: Codename RoboCod
Rocket Knight Adventure

I'd add on Burning Force. It's absolutely amazing and here in the UK at least it's dirt cheap.
 
Hey folks, I've never owned a Genesis before, but which games should I get if I were to build a collection? What are the must-haves/staples etc.? Currently thinking Sonic, Aladdin and Castle of Illusion. I don't know much about the system. Help a newbie out!

All of the Sonic platformers (yes, including 3D Blast), Aladdin, and Castle of Illusion absolutely are must-haves, yeah. Beyond that, going from my collection, I'd say these are also really good:

Landstalker
Beyond Oasis
Crusader of Centy
Vectorman 1 and 2
Mega Turrican
Contra: Hard Corps
The Adventures of Batman & Robin
Rocket Knight Adventures
Ristar
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi
Outrun 2019
RoadBlasters
World of Illusion
Lightening Force
Thunder Force III
Truxton
Viewpoint
Bio Hazard Battle
Shining Force 1 & 2
Alisia Dragoon
Wonder Boy in Monster World
Golden Axe 1 & 2
Comix Zone
Streets of Rage 1 & 2
Atomic Runner
Trouble Shooter
Blades of Vengeance
Ranger-X
Rolling Thunder 2 & 3
MERCS

Maybe (good games but not essential): Marvel Land, Desert Demolition, Arcus Odyssey, TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist, Street Fighter II: SCE, Phelios, Sub-Terrania, Red Zone, Fire Shark, TechnoClash, Gauntlet IV, Target Earth, Crack Down, The Ooze, Gunstar Heroes, Sparkster, Micro Machines, Burning Force, Fatal Rewind, Lotus Turbo Challenge, OutRunners, Ghouls & Ghosts, Universal Soldier, Greendog, El Viento, Ex-Mutants, Boogerman

And more. (And if you like the system, there's also the Sega CD and 32X sometime!)
 

IrishNinja

Member
haha damn ya'll i was trying to give him a few cheap games to find...some fantastic suggestions but they're not all on the cheap side! at least he's not looking to break into SNES i guess
 
Bugger that list ABF, you lost me when you put Sub-Terrania under "non-essential" :(

It's a great game, but not everyone would like it. I mean, it's a gravity space sim/shooter. It's by far the best such game I've played (above Gravitar, Rotor, Solar Jetman, and the like), but it's a somewhat niche game.

You guys forgot the greatest game to grace the system: Quackshot.

Oh yeah, that would go in my 'maybe' category. Forgot about it.
 
Gunstar Heroes not essential?

Well...we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I bought the game a few years ago, and I don't think I've touched it more than once or twice since. It's okay, but I'm not a big fan. I did like the GBA Gunstar Heroes game, though, and played that first... the Genesis game doesn't look as good and doesn't save progress either (an issue in a game as hard as it is), that comparison may have also hurt it for me. It does have co-op though, which is nice.

But yeah, as far as two player run & guns on the Genesis goes, I'd put Contra Hard Corps and Adventures of Batman & Robin well above Gunstar Heroes. They are also both excessively hard games, but I like playing them more, and I think that they are better games.

Now, if anyone finds Gunstar Heroes for $4 cart only like I did back in 2010 when I got it, by all means pick it up... but these days, that's extremely unlikely. Even then it was a great find, but now? Even more so, for sure.
 

Teknoman

Member
I bought the game a few years ago, and I don't think I've touched it more than once or twice since. It's okay, but I'm not a big fan. I did like the GBA Gunstar Heroes game, though, and played that first... the Genesis game doesn't look as good and doesn't save progress either (an issue in a game as hard as it is), that comparison may have also hurt it for me. It does have co-op though, which is nice.

But yeah, as far as two player run & guns on the Genesis goes, I'd put Contra Hard Corps and Adventures of Batman & Robin well above Gunstar Heroes. They are also both excessively hard games, but I like playing them more, and I think that they are better games.

Now, if anyone finds Gunstar Heroes for $4 cart only like I did back in 2010 when I got it, by all means pick it up... but these days, that's extremely unlikely. Even then it was a great find, but now? Even more so, for sure.

Well yeah, you're probably right about Gunstar Super Heroes having an effect on how you saw the original. Contra Hard Corps is a better game too...but Contra games are on another level entirely.

Im biased either way, being a Treasure nut. Not really one for Bangai-O or that Mcdonalds game though.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I bought the game a few years ago, and I don't think I've touched it more than once or twice since. It's okay, but I'm not a big fan. I did like the GBA Gunstar Heroes game, though, and played that first... the Genesis game doesn't look as good and doesn't save progress either (an issue in a game as hard as it is), that comparison may have also hurt it for me. It does have co-op though, which is nice.
Gunstar Heroes isn't remotely difficult unless you bother to crank up the difficulty setting. Fuck, that's one of the main reasons it was appealing to my younger scrub self; it was one of the shooters available that my friends and I could actually beat.
 

Shaneus

Member
Gunstar Heroes isn't remotely difficult unless you bother to crank up the difficulty setting. Fuck, that's one of the main reasons it was appealing to my younger scrub self; it was one of the shooters available that my friends and I could actually beat.
Lightning + auto-seek = god-tier.
 
Gunstar Heroes only has one point that gives me difficulty, that being the space shmup section toward the end. Everything before and after it is pretty fair on Easy, at least.

Dunno why the shmup section gives me issues anymore (haven't played it in a while), but it does.

Also, I'd advise getting the Saturn version of 3D Blast over the Genesis one. Mostly because I like the Richard Jacques soundtrack more than the Jun Senoue/Tetsuyuki Maeda soundtrack, but I also like the redone graphics, additional weather effects (minor though they are) and Sonic 2-esque special stages.
 
Also, I'd advise getting the Saturn version of 3D Blast over the Genesis one. Mostly because I like the Richard Jacques soundtrack more than the Jun Senoue/Tetsuyuki Maeda soundtrack, but I also like the redone graphics, additional weather effects (minor though they are) and Sonic 2-esque special stages.

I prefer [a few tracks on] the Genesis soundtrack. To each his own! But in all other aspects, the Saturn version is an upgrade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPDILdBSAU&list=PLBB39AB1B26F4F16B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhcWl8MHgs0&list=PLBB39AB1B26F4F16B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgangOFKiQo&list=PLBB39AB1B26F4F16B
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Gunstar Heroes only has one point that gives me difficulty, that being the space shmup section toward the end.
Same, I'm terrible at shmups so I always struggled at that section. I only ever did okay if I had double Force, IIRC.

Lightning + force was my preferred setup, though sometimes I went bitch tier (lol) and spammed that homing lightning for sure.
 

ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
Has anybody been watching eBay for Tempo recently?

It seems like there are a TON of sealed copies of that game. Did somebody discover bunch of unreleased shipments of it or something?
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Gunstar Heroes only has one point that gives me difficulty, that being the space shmup section toward the end. Everything before and after it is pretty fair on Easy, at least.

Dunno why the shmup section gives me issues anymore (haven't played it in a while), but it does.
It's a pretty long stage and doesn't have any checkpoints until the boss area. Easy to get worn down on it.

The Destroy Them All stage is like that too, but it's actually possible to rush through most of that one.
 

Teknoman

Member
So someone just posted a track from Jewel Master in the SNES vs Genesis audio thread.


I need this game now...or well at some point.
 
wait, so Black Falcon doesn't like Gunstar Heroes or Guardian...are you not much of a Treasure guy, Falcon?

I love Ikaruga, it's one of my favorite shmups ever. Incredible game, in gameplay, graphics, music, everything. I also really love Gradius V, though that's also because Gradius is my favorite shmup series. They did a fantastic job with it though.



Of their other stuff I've played, Gunstar Super Heroes is a decent game, for their other stuff. It's not one of the best action games around, and it's short, but it was fun and I did finish it. Mischief Makers is good too; though the game has no variety and eventually got very repetitive, so I did not collect everything and get the full ending, I did like it when I played it back in 2000 or so. Wario World is pretty fun, too. Short, but fun. I also like both Sin & Punishment games; the first one is way too short, but the second makes up for that. I covered Sin & Punishment in my N64 review thread though, in the most recent update that is. They're both great games, but the second one is better.

The rest of their stuff that I've played I'm not so sure about. I think the concept in Bangaioh for the DS is good enough, but it's really annoying that the game has no story beyond the tutorial, and is just a set of levels to play. I'll have to get the DC one sometime. Radiant Silvergun I haven't played much, but I remain to be convinced that having six weapons on six buttons was a good design idea. Silpheed: The Lost Planet was bland and I only finished it because it wasn't very hard and it's a Silpheed game. Light Crusader and Dynamite Headdy didn't interest me all that much either; I think I played Dynamite Headdy once after getting it, and haven't touched it since. Light Crusader I finished one floor and then stopped. It's alright I guess, but nothing great. And Stretch Panic didn't seem very good.

As for Guardian Heroes, it's not like Gunstar Heroes; with Gunstar Heroes I don't love the game and rarely play it, but I do think it's a good game. Guardian Heroes, though... not so much. That one I legitimately dislike; I got it on XBLA on sale for like $2.50, and I'm not convinced it was worth it. My biggest problem with the game is the fact that it's not in an isometric field but instead you have those three planes you fight on. That's really annoying and is really bad design compared to normal isometric beat 'em up design. The art design isn't anything amazing either (it's mediocre '90s anime style stuff), and the game goes from really easy to, late in the game, obnoxiously hard... or at least in single player it does, I haven't played it multiplayer. On a related note, my dislike of the three-planes concept is probably the main part of why I've never cared to try Castle Crashers. Straight side-scrolling beat 'em ups usually aren't very good (without the 3d depth element the genre is too simplistic), but at least they are simple and know what they are. Guardian Heroes, though, is kind of halfway in between both, and while it is probably better than most side-scrolling beat 'em ups, that's not saying much. I don't like Guardian Heroes. My first impression of the game was negative, and it didn't get much better.

That's everything of theirs I've played, I think.
 
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