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Fake
Gold Member
I don't think this is a review, rather his opinion.
tmlDan
Member
It's a bad opinion, a review is also an opinion by the way, its just more constructive criticism than shallow remarks.
Fake
Gold Member
Is not like we have standarts for opinion sir.
tmlDan
Member
then it shouldn't be a thread, just saying things without backing it up isn't conducive to a discussion.
Roman Empire
Member
About your points:
1) Yes, they pushed Peter hard to the sidelines and portrayed Miles as the better Spiderman and all.
2) MJ here is a Mary Sue through and through. You still have to go through the story but it doesn't get better for Peter. Spiderman 2 feels like a character regression for Peter in all fronts.
3) Side quests were bad in SP1, and sadly they kept the tradition. Idk how but they made NY be bland as hell besides looking pretty and feeling good traversing the world.
4) This I can relate with you, the agenda push goes too strong that it has this disconnect with reality as it's a 1st world problem type of stuff. It'll spoil like milk and won't sit right with people on consecutive replays a few years down the line. They should just have kept Jameson for the most part like in the first game.
A.Romero
Member
I enjoyed it. Played both of them twice, the second with the highest difficulty and didn't find them particularly hard like a Souls game.
Don't care particularly for the story beats related to racism, feminism and all of that. Don't care if they have them, don't care if they don't. I rather have each developer decide what they want to do and play whatever grabs my interest.
Don't care particularly for the story beats related to racism, feminism and all of that. Don't care if they have them, don't care if they don't. I rather have each developer decide what they want to do and play whatever grabs my interest.
Hudo
Member
Now imagine if Texans had made the game.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Because there’s a lot of gays in it?
proandrad
Member
What lol? New York is gay as fuck, if anything there isn’t enough gay people. The city is too clean, it’s missing grime and character. All the characters are far too nice and lack attitude. No one in the game sounds like a New Yorker.
fart town usa
Member
Insomniac has been on a decline post-PS3.
They peaked with A Crack in Time.
I don't see them ever getting back to those earlier highs. The main guy retired and they are in the Marvel mine, slaving away for the foreseeable future. The studio is also infested with DEI.
Insomniac is largely a victim of the general publics bad taste IMO. The masses slept on them for generations and then people went nuts for Spiderman, largely because their prior output was still relatively niche when it comes to Sony exclusives.
They peaked with A Crack in Time.
I don't see them ever getting back to those earlier highs. The main guy retired and they are in the Marvel mine, slaving away for the foreseeable future. The studio is also infested with DEI.
Insomniac is largely a victim of the general publics bad taste IMO. The masses slept on them for generations and then people went nuts for Spiderman, largely because their prior output was still relatively niche when it comes to Sony exclusives.
Interfectum
Member
Spiderman 2 is basically Peter handing the reigns to Miles. If you didn't care for Miles then prolly stay away from this.
MrKainobi
Neo Member
To me it’s the same as for Ragnarok and Forbidden West. All the same, boring sequels with no originality. I think I feel it more than with other series because all of these IPs felt so fresh and novel in their first iteration to me. It’s time for PlayStation Studios to do something new.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That doesn’t sound like San Francisco either. I heard it’s trash now too. Homeless everywhere, shitting in the middle of streets and on buses.
I guess SF and NY have a lot in common, besides the gay thing. Sounds like Spider-Man takes place in Canada.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Same reason why I hated the story in Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.
Even Toy Story has more emotion and conflict than this game.
This is a trait seen in all Insomniac games - and they're one the leading SBI cocksuckers out there.
The city felt the same as SP1 like a literal asset flip and the events felt less dynamic. They need to spend more time making the city more lifelike and bigger. Looking for hyperspeed highways in a wingsuit is fun, but got old after a while.
The story was rushed in the second half and they gameplay felt the same halfway through the progression.
The story was rushed in the second half and they gameplay felt the same halfway through the progression.
semiconscious
Member
imo, all of sony's first party, heavy-hitter studios' sequels (last of us 2, spider-man 2, ragnarok, forbidden west) have been inferior to the original games. it's something that didn't used to happen (uncharted 2, god of war 2, killzone 2)...
Hugare
Member
The different coloured venom types were so boring and "gamey"
Blue, yellow, red, purple etc., seriously? Just because they couldnt figure out how to make the combat with different enemy types work. "Let just paint them, done", despite making no sense story wise.
Other than that, gameplay was obviously better than the first one. Also graphics. Everything else was a letdown.
Pretty crazy how Insomniac fucked it up this badly, actually. Starting from changing Peter's model, everything after that was a mess.
Blue, yellow, red, purple etc., seriously? Just because they couldnt figure out how to make the combat with different enemy types work. "Let just paint them, done", despite making no sense story wise.
Other than that, gameplay was obviously better than the first one. Also graphics. Everything else was a letdown.
Pretty crazy how Insomniac fucked it up this badly, actually. Starting from changing Peter's model, everything after that was a mess.
Hudo
Member
Maybe Sony can break the "curse" with Ghost of Yotei (aka Ghost of Tsushima 2)
Although I am not confident in that game either
proandrad
Member
Vancouver maybe, idk just always bothered me how sterile the City feels. Anytime the game takes you out of the Spider-Man outfit and showcases the city from a regular person’s perspective, it feels off.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
The Batman Arkham games do a good job of putting you in a fucked up place and it looks it too.
MacReady13
Member
Must be that Sony 1st party bump...
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proandrad
Member
The Division’s New York City looks closer to actual New York.
existensmaximum
Member
Terrible is a strong word, but it sure was disappointing, mediocre and had some very poor elements. Soooo much wasted potential.
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TheShocker
Member
This dialogue in SM2 is a lot like what I’ve seen from the new Dragon Age game. Forced, awkward, unrealistically positive conversations that come across as forced and not how two genuine people would talk.
BUT, that is the world that leftist, DEI influenced games what you to believe in. It’s cringe and awful and I hate it.
BUT, that is the world that leftist, DEI influenced games what you to believe in. It’s cringe and awful and I hate it.
mayham2199
Member
Jesus reading this thread you'd think Spiderman 2 was one of the worst games to come out that year.
PurePlatinum
Member
Miles is the best of the three games. Updated gameplay concepts really help things feel fleshed out, but it doesn't have the completely whack story of Spider-Man 2.
Something I hated in SM2 was the dialogue between hero/enemy when there was a major boss fight. They just won't shut the fuck up, and god forbid you die, you have to listen to it all over again.
Something I hated in SM2 was the dialogue between hero/enemy when there was a major boss fight. They just won't shut the fuck up, and god forbid you die, you have to listen to it all over again.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
For me the biggest problem with these sequels especially for open world games, its more of the same so all they can do is add even more abilities and button prompts to try and make it different enough from the previous game.
xrnzaaas
Member
It's not easy just to say "the story is the only negative" when Sony's singleplayer games are story driven and therefore most elements of the game will be affected. That was the reason why I didn't buy the sequel. Based on the reviews I've seen I don't want to play as an apologetic Peter and prepare to make MM the next "main" Spiderman, have a weak main villain, help a gay couple in spare time or have mandatory missions with MJ and Miles's deaf girlfriend. If I want to relax swinging across NY then the first game can cover that for me and I don't have to pay Sony for another game.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It’s not a bad opinion.
He played and even finished the game. It’s a very fair opinion.
Bad opinion is never touching Forspoken and trusting hate influencers that it’s actually bad.
realcool
Member
I at least appreciated how they handled side quests and collectibles by naturally unfurling them in a managaeable quantity as the story progressed, avoiding the soul-deadening effect of viewing a task-filled map like in a Ubisoft game. However, the game still felt short despite the collectibles and side quests which, looking back, can be taken as mercy since the story was unremarkable in comparison to the first game.
Even if it's the case sequels are usually arriving 5+ years later, do you even remember by that time how original plays, not even to say being bothered by it?
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Most of what the OP is bitching about is fine and not even close to the most egregious parts of this game.
The worst of SM2 are the Mary-Jane tazer-fests, the deaf girl snore fests, the agenda-riddled useless Miles Morales side missions, and this fucking BS right here where we have to watch Peter Parker reduce himself to a sniveling pathetic cuckold because the writers are pathologically averse to having a man save a woman in a videogame:
The worst of SM2 are the Mary-Jane tazer-fests, the deaf girl snore fests, the agenda-riddled useless Miles Morales side missions, and this fucking BS right here where we have to watch Peter Parker reduce himself to a sniveling pathetic cuckold because the writers are pathologically averse to having a man save a woman in a videogame:
Lupin25
Member
Gameplay and boss fights are easily better.
Story and pacing is weaker, but it’s also bigger in size of the first game. Other PS sequels have had this issue, but Ragnarök probably does it best out of the bunch.
The segments with MJ & the deaf teenager weren’t necessary, but these trash segments were also present in the 1st game. No difference here.
Overall, the story, pacing & character development is weaker. Gameplay, traversal, open-world, boss fights & graphics are improved. Mission design is largely the same. Better “game” personally but not by much.
That symbiote & anti-symbiote suit felt godly though.
Story and pacing is weaker, but it’s also bigger in size of the first game. Other PS sequels have had this issue, but Ragnarök probably does it best out of the bunch.
The segments with MJ & the deaf teenager weren’t necessary, but these trash segments were also present in the 1st game. No difference here.
Overall, the story, pacing & character development is weaker. Gameplay, traversal, open-world, boss fights & graphics are improved. Mission design is largely the same. Better “game” personally but not by much.
That symbiote & anti-symbiote suit felt godly though.
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Heaven Angel
Member
I feel recent Sony games were rushed af. I felt in SM2 and GOW:R that was rushed like a flash. Only the initial bits were good but rest! I thought SM wanted to get over with Ragnarok and Kratos asap.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Well let's take Spiderman as an example. Yeah it's been 4-5 years and I felt like the game just looks a tiny bit sharper. It's set in NYC which we already played to death in the first game so all is left is new story. Same thing for GOW2. Felt like I'm playing the same game from 5 years ago but they added even more powerups. This gen is way too safe and of course people are bored of them fast.