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Star Wars: In Production [Rumors/SPOILERS for All Films Past, Present, & Future]

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Surfinn

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WadiumArcadium said:
I would love a Yoda cameo.
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Force Ghost Yoda could be INCREDIBLE. Of course you'd have to deal with the THEY'RE JUST COPYING ESB idiots though which would crop up after a few months of release. But I like the idea that Yoda is connected to Rey's forceback, and maybe even more involved with it than we think (could he have somehow helped initiate it?).

I like the idea of extrapolating the forceback too. It was one of the best moments in the ST and really calls back to some of the awesome mythology/connections with the OT and hints at where the story might progress. Glad to hear they're focusing on it.
 
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Surfinn said:
Force Ghost Yoda could be INCREDIBLE. Of course you'd have to deal with the THEY'RE JUST COPYING ESB idiots though which would crop up after a few months of release. But I like the idea that Yoda is connected to Rey's forceback, and maybe even more involved with it than we think (could he have somehow helped initiate it?).

I like the idea of extrapolating the forceback too. It was one of the best moments in the ST and really calls back to some of the awesome mythology/connections with the OT and hints at where the story might progress. Glad to hear they're focusing on it.
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Yeah, I can see a small minority criticising something like that, but JJ already planted the seeds for a potential return with the Yoda dialogue during the forceback and surely it makes sense that Luke would still be communicating with his teachers if he could. Especially after some of the things he's had to endure in the lead up to TFA.
 
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sphagnum

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I still need a good in-canon reason for why ghost Anakin doesn't show up when he inevitably never appears in Episodes VIII or IX.
 
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Surfinn

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Looks like we get our first look at Vader from Rogue One (surprise surprise, he looks like he did in ANH, maybe with a few minor changes/adjustments). There are other cards at the link too, pretty cool stuff.

sphagnum said:
I still need a good in-canon reason for why ghost Anakin doesn't show up when he inevitably never appears in Episodes VIII or IX.
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I never really thought about this. I think if it's done they should just go for another actor entirely, but I'd prefer just to have Yoda/Ben (McGregor PLEASE) and more specifically just Yoda. It would be cool though to have the trilogy wrap in a similar fashion where you see/interact with the Force Ghosts in the conclusion of EP9. Maybe Ben and Anakin appear in some minor way but Yoda has more of a presence/significance in the story.

I would like that.
 
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Kuros

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Surfinn said:
Looks like we get our first look at Vader from Rogue One (surprise surprise, he looks like he did in ANH, maybe with a few minor changes/adjustments). There are other cards at the link too, pretty cool stuff.



I never really thought about this. I think if it's done they should just go for another actor entirely, but I'd prefer just to have Yoda/Ben (McGregor PLEASE) and more specifically just Yoda. It would be cool though to have the trilogy wrap in a similar fashion where you see/interact with the Force Ghosts in the conclusion of EP9. Maybe Ben and Anakin appear in some minor way but Yoda has more of a presence/significance in the story.

I would like that.
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Robes underneath his breast plate. Disappointing attention to detail if true.
 
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Surfinn

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Kuros said:
Yes. His robes were over his breastplate in ANH. And underneath from then on.

They were of course underneath in ROTS but everyone knows Lucas didn't give a fuck about stuff like that.

Quick eg:

http://www.starwarspropaganda.com/posted_images/misc/oldvader5.jpg
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Thanks for the reference. Honestly, I always just imagined Vader to be constantly switching his plating/outfit/armor around, since he's seemingly modular and basically a machine. We see him taking his helmet off in ESB so maybe that's where I got the idea from.
 
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prag16

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Surfinn said:
I never really thought about this. I think if it's done they should just go for another actor entirely, but I'd prefer just to have Yoda/Ben (McGregor PLEASE) and more specifically just Yoda. It would be cool though to have the trilogy wrap in a similar fashion where you see/interact with the Force Ghosts in the conclusion of EP9. Maybe Ben and Anakin appear in some minor way but Yoda has more of a presence/significance in the story.
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If Yoda appears, it doesn't really make sense if Obi-Wan and Anakin don't. If Yoda and Obi-Wan appear, it really makes no sense if Anakin doesn't.

If Anakin does appear, it REEALLY makes no sense if it's some random new actor. It has to be Christensen.

I think your last sentence there would be reasonable. But if Anakin is shown, it has to be Christensen.
 
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Surfinn

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prag16 said:
If Yoda appears, it doesn't really make sense if Obi-Wan and Anakin don't. If Yoda and Obi-Wan appear, it really makes no sense if Anakin doesn't.

If Anakin does appear, it REEALLY makes no sense if it's some random new actor. It has to be Christensen.

I think your last sentence there would be reasonable. But if Anakin is shown, it has to be Christensen.
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It doesn't have to be Christensen. They've got no problem recasting (ie Ben and Han), and considering Hadyen took a LOT of criticism for his acting ability, it makes sense to me they'd recast. Of course I'm not saying they COULDN'T do it with him, just that it can make sense either way.

Force Ghosts seem to come and go as they please, and like I said I could totally see them having Anakin/Ben in some small part that's not a huge chunk of the story. Possibly even a non-speaking role. Though I would love McGregor to come back because he did an excellent job with what he was given, unlike Hayden who's just not a very good actor overall (yes, I've seen him in other films).

I really don't understand this "it has to be Hayden" nonsense when he's proven to be not very good in the role he played, for two films.

Had we gone with the theatrical releases for the OT (which I still do), Hayden would even be too young to play the part (the older guy who played Vader in ROTJ was originally Anakin as a Force Ghost).
 
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prag16

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Surfinn said:
It doesn't have to be Christensen. They've got no problem recasting (ie Ben and Han), and considering Hadyen took a LOT of criticism for his acting ability, it makes sense to me they'd recast. Of course I'm not saying they COULDN'T do it with him, just that it can make sense either way.

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I really don't understand this "it has to be Hayden" nonsense when he's proven to be not very good in the role he played, for two films.

Had we gone with the theatrical releases for the OT (which I still do), Hayden would even be too young to play the part (the older guy who played Vader in ROTJ was originally Anakin as a Force Ghost).
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I know a lot of people harbor irrational hate for Christensen. But there's absolutely zero reason to recast (unless Christensen refused to do it for whatever reason). Recasting Obi-Wan and Han was obviously unavoidable. But there's no reason to recast Anakin in light of the change made to that last scene in the latest editions of ROTJ (yes, everybody harbors hate for all the changes too, I know...).

How good/bad fans think he was in the role is immaterial. It wouldn't be a large role, especially if it's non speaking as you're speculating it could be. If you see Hayden, you know "that's Anakin". If it's some random dude there could very well be a moment of confusion for audiences which would be better to avoid if possible.

So, agree to disagree. If they don't/can't get Christensen, I'd rather they don't bother.
 
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Surfinn

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prag16 said:
I know a lot of people harbor irrational hate for Christensen. But there's absolutely zero reason to recast (unless Christensen refused to do it for whatever reason). Recasting Obi-Wan and Han was obviously unavoidable. But there's no reason to recast Anakin in light of the change made to that last scene in the latest editions of ROTJ (yes, everybody harbors hate for all the changes too, I know...).

How good/bad fans think he was in the role is immaterial. It wouldn't be a large role, especially if it's non speaking as you're speculating it could be. If you see Hayden, you know "that's Anakin". If it's some random dude there could very well be a moment of confusion for audiences which would be better to avoid if possible.

So, agree to disagree. If they don't/can't get Christensen, I'd rather they don't bother.
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There's no irrational hate here (in my case). Go watch him act in another movie and tell me he's the best person (or even FIT) to play Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader). All you need to do is name drop Anakin and/or provide contextual clues as to who he is and why he's important. We're dealing with BRAND NEW Star Wars fans here for a new generation. I know a ton of people personally who never saw a single film until EP7 and loved it.

Most people aren't going to watch EP8/9 and say "hold on a second, where's Hayden?". I think it just makes the most sense to hire the best person for the job and Hayden is clearly not it.

Irrational is "it can only be Hayden". That's a minority speaking and won't affect anyone other than people who wanted it to be him since.. he played Anakin in the prequels. Or because they like him. He had no outstanding scenes or performances to rationally warrant excitement for his return.

They need to cast for the best people for the job, especially if the underperformed in the PT. I'd say there's much more of a pull for McGregor to come back from fans, and even still, this is the minority of fans.

I feel like the pull for McGregor is much more rational since he did so well in the PT and I'd say most people would agree he overperformed with the content he was given.

Hayden on the other hand did not.
 
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prag16

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Surfinn said:
There's no irrational hate here (in my case). Go watch him act in another movie and tell me he's the best person (or even FIT) to play Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader). All you need to do is name drop Anakin and/or provide contextual clues as to who he is and why he's important. We're dealing with BRAND NEW Star Wars fans here for a new generation. I know a ton of people personally who never saw a single film until EP7 and loved it.

Most people aren't going to watch EP8/9 and say "hold on a second, where's Hayden?". I think it just makes the most sense to hire the best person for the job and Hayden is clearly not it.

Irrational is "it can only be Hayden". That's a minority speaking and won't affect anyone other than people who wanted it to be him since.. he played Anakin in the prequels. Or because they like him. He had no outstanding scenes or performances to rationally warrant excitement for his return.

They need to cast for the best people for the job, especially if the underperformed in the PT. I'd say there's much more of a pull for McGregor to come back from fans, and even still, this is the minority of fans.

I feel like the pull for McGregor is much more rational since he did so well in the PT and I'd say most people would agree he overperformed with the content he was given.

Hayden on the other hand did not.
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If they have Anakin (which I probably doubt to begin with), it will be almost certainly be a very small role. If Christensen is willing, I don't see the need to muddy the waters by recasting the character. That's all. It's just not necessary. The only significant reason NOT to do it is to avoid nerd rage from prequel haters. Whether or not he "deserves" to be ANAKIN is immaterial at this point. He IS Anakin to most casual Star Wars viewers. You can't unring that bell.

I have seen him in several other films. The Star Wars movies are not his best work, but there are plenty of worse actors out there. He was definitely overshadowed by McDiarmid and McGregor, and he didn't have much to work with (a reason why Portman was also largely terrible in those movies). But it is what it is.
 
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Surfinn

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prag16 said:
If they have Anakin (which I probably doubt to begin with), it will be almost certainly be a very small role. If Christensen is willing, I don't see the need to muddy the waters by recasting the character. That's all. It's just not necessary. The only significant reason NOT to do it is to avoid nerd rage from prequel haters. Whether or not he "deserves" to be ANAKIN is immaterial at this point. He IS Anakin to most casual Star Wars viewers. You can't unring that bell.

I have seen him in several other films. The Star Wars movies are not his best work, but there are plenty of worse actors out there. He was definitely overshadowed by McDiarmid and McGregor, and he didn't have much to work with (a reason why Portman was also largely terrible in those movies). But it is what it is.
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It really depends on what they want to do with what was established in the previous films. The original theatrical version doesn't have Hayden in it and some other dude entirely who is already old. That was later retconned by Lucas by inserting a young Anakin (Hayden).

So I'd argue the waters are, and have already been muddied for quite some damn time. Wouldn't you?

Either way could work but I would prefer they just go with someone who doesn't butcher their lines (if there are spoken words).
 
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ViewtifulJC

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Phasma wants Finn cuz fuck that nigga for throwing me in a dumpster

I assume
MYSTERY is Kelly Marie Tran who bonds with Finn only before getting taken out near the end, Laura Dern is the manipulative senator who gives them up, and Candy Man might be Del Toro as some sketchy, eccentric casino owner/friend of Han from back in the day.

The Empire Strike Backs parallels are...many. So get ready for that comment to come up a lot of in like 469 days

if any of this shit is true that is
 
prag16

prag16

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George Oscar Bluth II said:
Could be something. Could be nothing.

Kinda sounds like someone looked at set pics and made something up.
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Yeah, I'd lean towards nothing probably. I mean, it's mostly plausible I guess, but I really can't imagine how they'd spin the big reveal. If Rey'd parentage is what this claims, why the hell was she dumped with Unkar Plutt as a child. How the hell could they explain that..
 
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kevin1025

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prag16 said:
Yeah, I'd lean towards nothing probably. I mean, it's mostly plausible I guess, but I really can't imagine how they'd spin the big reveal. If Rey'd parentage is what this claims, why the hell was she dumped with Unkar Plutt as a child. How the hell could they explain that..
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It can be explained during the sequence described, if it's plotted out well enough. I'll go spoiler here, and keep things short:

If they establish that Ben was perhaps jealous of his sister, and that his turn to the Dark Side meant hiding her. Then his outburst ("What girl?") and fascination with Rey can play out as a sibling rivalry.

But yeah, I imagine this report has some claims to truth, some that are not. The one leaked plot for VII had mention of something called the Sledgehammer that never ended up appearing, though a lot of other elements were spot on.
 
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prag16

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kevin1025 said:
It can be explained during the sequence described, if it's plotted out well enough. I'll go spoiler here, and keep things short:

If they establish that Ben was perhaps jealous of his sister, and that his turn to the Dark Side meant hiding her. Then his outburst ("What girl?") and fascination with Rey can play out as a sibling rivalry.

But yeah, I imagine this report has some claims to truth, some that are not. The one leaked plot for VII had mention of something called the Sledgehammer that never ended up appearing, though a lot of other elements were spot on.
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The problem is the canon novel Bloodline established the time line such that Rey is dumped on Jakku at least several years prior to the Ben's turn.
 
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kevin1025

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prag16 said:
The problem is the canon novel Bloodline established the time line such that Rey is dumped on Jakku at least several years prior to the Ben's turn.
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Ah, did not know that. I still need to read that one! Maybe the turn was incremental, and that they saw the anger he had toward her long before the Ren turn happens. I'm totally pulling that out of my ass though, haha.
 
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WadiumArcadium

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Cth said:
Has anyone posted this yet?

"REY'S PARENT'S REVEALED IN NEW FULL SCRIPT LEAK *MAJOR SPOILERS* Star Wars: Episode VIII Script Leak "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Lzr461jh0

Synopsis:
http://imgur.com/a/2ukRq
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No mention of the Knights of Ren when we know
Luke fights them on Anch-To.
Plus Making Star Wars were reporting Leia's ship is attacked early on and
she goes into a coma.

It sounds like it's cobbled together from previous rumours and what we've seen of the set pics.
 
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WadiumArcadium

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Imagine the rage if
Phasma killed Lando
haha. I'm all for making her feel more of a threat but c'mon.

Where's Del Toro's character as well? I doubt they'd hire him for a minor part. I suppose they're trying to imply the senator is Laura Dern. MSW were saying something about her being another Resistance leader than ends up being so incompetent Poe takes over.
 
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ViewtifulJC

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I think Del Toro's character would be Candy Man in this "leak". I can buy him in this Lando role, the old friend of Han with runs the big fancy place the third act takes place. MSW did report about a scene where Luke wanders around a big casino full of aliens and shit.

Laura Dern would be the SENATOR character here, who's very shady and sells out the Resistance to the First Order to save her own ass/make money. She's killed off at the end when the Resistance escapes and Phasma has no need for her anymore, and with Leia captured, I assume this is how Poe becomes the interim Leader by the end. Hey, that's better than Lando suddenly being a general in ROTJ for no particular reason. And MYSTERY is clearly supposed to be Kelly Marie Tran's character, who helps/flirts with Finn through the story only to be tragically cut down in the climax cuz we need somebody to die and it obviously won't be Poe/Rey/Finn/Luke/Kylo/Phasma/Maz/etc.
 
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shingi70

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We still know practically nothing about episode 8, but i'm disappointed that Finn probably wont be a force user, and a bit disappointed that the new triology seems to be about stagnation and poetry to curb a Lucas term. Hopefully we get a comic, or animated series detailing Luke's Jedi order prior to Ben's fall.
 
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shingi70 said:
We still know practically nothing about episode 8, but i'm disappointed that Finn probably wont be a force user, and a bit disappointed that the new triology seems to be about stagnation and poetry to curb a Lucas term. Hopefully we get a comic, or animated series detailing Luke's Jedi order prior to Ben's fall.
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The latest Making Star Wars rumour suggested the film goes back to when Luke was training people in another flashback or at least when Kylo turned on him. Maybe it'll be shown when he tells Rey what happened. It doesn't sound like it was much of an Order, either. Just a few students Luke elected to teach.
 
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shingi70

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WadiumArcadium said:
The latest Making Star Wars rumour suggested the film goes back to when Luke was training people in another flashback or at least when Kylo turned on him. Maybe it'll be shown when he tells Rey what happened. It doesn't sound like it was much of an Order, either. Just a few students Luke elected to teach.
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That makes a ton of sense compared to the way the EU bad a Jedi Army by this point in the timeline.

However by the end of the second film, I'm hoping we find out not all of Luke's students died, and we have force that can Rival the Knights of Ren (assuming they all aren't former students.)

It makes sense that Lucas, Abrams didn't have the Jedi be a huge order yet as it would have made seven Harry Potter/Naruto with Laser Swords which is what I'm guessing the Lucas treatment would have been.

I still hold out hope that we get Finn as a force user training with Max, as a way to have threw different ways to look at the force.
 
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Surfinn

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shingi70 said:
We still know practically nothing about episode 8, but i'm disappointed that Finn probably wont be a force user, and a bit disappointed that the new triology seems to be about stagnation and poetry to curb a Lucas term. Hopefully we get a comic, or animated series detailing Luke's Jedi order prior to Ben's fall.
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So certain, are you?

I think you'll be surprised what RJ has in store for SW. I'm really hyped.
 
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shingi70

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Surfinn said:
So certain, are you?

I think you'll be surprised what RJ has in store for SW. I'm really hyped.
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You know something. I think Finn is FS myself, and it's obvious in TFA that he is, however I see so many people against it that my faith is starting to wane.
 
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Surfinn

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shingi70 said:
You know something. I think Finn is FS myself, and it's obvious in TFA that he is, however I see so many people against it that my faith is starting to wane.
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I really have NO IDEA why people came to this conclusion. There are lots of little hints throughout the film that suggest he is FS.

I think we'll see this develop in 8/9.
 
prag16

prag16

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Surfinn said:
I really have NO IDEA why people came to this conclusion. There are lots of little hints throughout the film that suggest he is FS.

I think we'll see this develop in 8/9.
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Eh. There are "lots of little hints throughout the film that suggest" Rey is Luke's daughter too, but the fandom tide seems have turned decidedly against that one.

It's very easy to connect dots via confirmation bias both in the case of Rey's parentage, and Finn as a force user. We'll just have to see. (But theories are fun.)

For the record I'm neutral on Luke as Rey's father (as long as she doesn't end up being literally "nobody"; that'd be strange for Star Wars), and I'm 'against' Finn being a force user; not necessary; not everybody needs to be a force user; especially if Rey really is a random. Two randoms as force users in one movie is a little much, as they've always been said to be pretty rare throughout the galaxy.
 
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shingi70

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prag16 said:
Eh. There are "lots of little hints throughout the film that suggest" Rey is Luke's daughter too, but the fandom tide seems have turned decidedly against that one.

It's very easy to connect dots via confirmation bias both in the case of Rey's parentage, and Finn as a force user. We'll just have to see. (But theories are fun.)

For the record I'm neutral on Luke as Rey's father (as long as she doesn't end up being literally "nobody"; that'd be strange for Star Wars), and I'm 'against' Finn being a force user; not necessary; not everybody needs to be a force user; especially if Rey really is a random. Two randoms as force users in one movie is a little much, as they've always been said to be pretty rare throughout the galaxy.
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I mean in traffic all there is seems to be Rey, Luke, smoke, Kylo, and max. Not much an awakening if you ask me.
 
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Enthus

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I'm trying to avoid most spoilers for EP VIII, but can anyone tell me if any new First Order trooper types have been leaked for it?
 
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Surfinn

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prag16 said:
Eh. There are "lots of little hints throughout the film that suggest" Rey is Luke's daughter too, but the fandom tide seems have turned decidedly against that one.

It's very easy to connect dots via confirmation bias both in the case of Rey's parentage, and Finn as a force user. We'll just have to see. (But theories are fun.)

For the record I'm neutral on Luke as Rey's father (as long as she doesn't end up being literally "nobody"; that'd be strange for Star Wars), and I'm 'against' Finn being a force user; not necessary; not everybody needs to be a force user; especially if Rey really is a random. Two randoms as force users in one movie is a little much, as they've always been said to be pretty rare throughout the galaxy.
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There's an extreme difference between theorizing and concluding. All I was trying to say is that lots of people have totally shut out the idea of Finn being force sensitive, and that's a silly thing to do because of the evidence that exists in the film. Nowhere did I say he IS force sensitive.

People should at least be open to the idea. I'm still in the Rey is Luke's daughter camp, but again, not stating any of this as fact or claiming another theory isn't possible.
 
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WadiumArcadium

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Making Star Wars have some details on Finn's first scene in the film.

Medical staff have now placed Finn in a bubble suit (to elaborate, we have it on good authority it is called a bacta suit), to heal his injuries. There is apparently a sequence where Finn is cut or removed from the suit and is revealed to be in better condition than ever before.
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WadiumArcadium

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Making Star Wars have got some new details on the First Order and some of the new stormtrooper classes.

It sounds like the Imperial guards and the Imperial gunners are making a return and the stormtroopers are pretty much identical to those in TFA, apart from the mouth piece being a bit closer to the OT design.

There's also a specific strormtrooper dubbed 'The Executioner' that Finn will probably end up facing in the film. He uses a weapon that's pretty similar to the riot baton TR8R used, with three spinning blades at the end. Half of his helmet is matte black as well. They've got a rough sketch of him

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