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[JonRedcorn]

Holy shit the amount of blatant hate and ignorance in this thread is fucking appalling. I absolutely cannot believe a group of people that claim to be tolerant and accepting can be so fucking cold and oblivious to the plights of other Americans. If they voted for Hilary Clinton do you think anything would be different in rural America? Did Obama do anything to help that skyrocketing suicide rate? Didn't fucking think so.

 

[Dai101]

They hate elitists that are dicks to them and talk down to them.

Yeah, i'm sure trump looks at them as equals.

^^ 2 posts and joined las year. Not conspicuous at all.

 

[Sunster]

I mean sure, but people are acting like all these problems would be fixed if they just voted for Democrats, or that at the very least they would be less sad about them killing themselves off. They were killing themselves off before Trump, you know!

Kansas actually has moved relatively Democratic since the brunt of Brownback's policies have begun to crush them. Clinton won more votes in KS-3 than Trump and improved overall on Obama's margin by a bit and the Kansas Democrats picked up thirteen seats in the state house in what was otherwise a terrible election for state houses. Brownback barely even got reeelected in a Republican wave year.

I think if they had dems in their local offices they would be marginally better off. But overall I think you are right. Small towns are dying. It's the way the world is moving.

 

[Incarmine]

Stuff like this really makes me realize how sheltered much of neogaf is. Have you ever actually been to a rural area?

Yes I have. It was back in 2006 so the political climate might be a little different, but I must've been emitting some kind of outsider aura cause the atmosphere didn't seem friendly.

 

[polyh3dron]

The sarcasm of this post illustrates the elitist liberal attitude that small town people hate and that attitude is why democrats can never ever win rural towns.

Says the elitist who is too good for either side.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Yes I have. It was back in 2006 so the political climate might be a little different, but I must've been emitting some kind of outsider aura cause the atmosphere didn't seem friendly.

Maybe if you weren't walking around in your manga t-shirt with your fucking crocks on people wouldn't look at you weird.

 

[kirblar]

This argument might be better if Democrats had been particularly great for them.

Cant help when they give you two years then vote you out of of congress.

Theyre voting themselves into the quagmire.

 

[Incarmine]

Maybe if you weren't walking around in your manga t-shirt with your fucking crocks on people wouldn't look at you weird.

Now who's making blatant assumptions?

 

[JonRedcorn]

Stuff like this really makes me realize how sheltered much of neogaf is. Have you ever actually been to a rural area?

I am starting to think this site is literally made up of fake profiles filled with bots. There is no way people think like this in real life.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Now who's making blatant assumptions?

I never accused anyone of making blatant assumptions, and based off your stupid avatar I would garner to say my accusation is pretty god damn accurate. So why you are trying to flip that around on me is laughable.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Holy shit the amount of blatant hate and ignorance in this thread is fucking appalling. I absolutely cannot believe a group of people that claim to be tolerant and accepting can be so fucking cold and oblivious to the plights of other Americans. If they voted for Hilary Clinton do you think anything would be different in rural America? Did Obama do anything to help that skyrocketing suicide rate? Didn't fucking think so.

Maybe a health care program and meals on wheels?

But sure, voting for Trump is way better.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Cant help when they give you two years then vote you out of of congress.

Theyre voting themselves into the quagmire.

This article explicitly goes into policies Obama pursued that fucked them over even when he had Congress or didn't need Congress.

But sure, that's it. They deserve it.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Maybe a health care program and meals on wheels?

But sure, voting for Trump is way better.

Where were those for the 8 years Obama was president? Were those campaign promises from Hillary Clinton, need sources please.

 

[Sunster]

you're gonna get banned bro

 

[Glendemonium]

Horribly depressing, and the counties don't do a whole lot to get money back into these failing communities.

Take Bullhead City, Az. it's hot as balls in the summer but it's a river away from a small casino strip (Laughlin, Nv). You would think they'd go out of their way to make the city look prosperous, but instead it's mostly slums and failing businesses.

Havasu, Sedona, and even the once mighty Flagstaff are falling behind fast, they have nothing to say "live here and raise a family." Not many jobs open up unless you have enough money to open your own practice (dentist, doctor office, lawyer etc) Tuscon and Phoenix are the only places that you might stand a chance to make a good living, if you can stand the crazy heat and crime that is. Still, it's small potatoes compared to L.A. where they have outlets for all sorts of careers.

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

O.O calm down junors, No need to get aggressive at each other.

 

[Incarmine]

I never accused anyone of making blatant assumptions, and based off your stupid avatar I would garner to say my accusation is pretty god damn accurate. So why you are trying to flip that around on me is laughable.

For your information no, I don't even own an anime shirt, much less any anime merchandise. I did not own one back in 2006 either. For now I'll just assume you're a moron and just leave it at that then.

 

[JonRedcorn]

For your information no, I don't even own an anime shirt, much less any anime merchandise. I did not own one back in 2006 either. For now I'll just assume you're a moron and just leave it at that then.

Didn't mean to rustle your jimmies buddy. I can see anime is a sensitive topic for you I won't get into it further.

 

[Dai101]

O.O calm down junors, No need to get aggressive at each other.

Funny to see a junior which all his posts are in this very thread.

 

[Litan]

I am starting to think this site is literally made up of fake profiles filled with bots. There is no way people think like this in real life.

Where were those for the 8 years Obama was president? Were those campaign promises from Hillary Clinton, need sources please.

 

[Lubricus]

Back in the 1930's-1940's FDR and Eleanor went to Warm Springs, GA for help with his polio. They would take drives out in the country and visit with folks. They could not believe the conditions the people in rural Georgia had to live in at the time. No electricity, no running water, bad diet. no medical care. Coming from New York City they were in culture shock.
The Rural Electrification Agency, Tennessee Valley Authority, and Social Security were his legacy. These folks voted the Democrat ticket for 30 years afterwards.
All we have to do is help.
There were a lot of racists back then as well and we thought we were changing them. But some things take longer than we expect. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try. A lot of brown folks still out here in the boondocks.
The US will be better in the long run if we can make some changes through kindness instead of anger.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Funny to see a junior which all his posts are in this very thread.

What are you implying that I can't post because I haven't posted in other topics? I decided to post in here because this thread is bullshit. You are allowed to laugh at suicide because of the demographic they live in.

 

[Tain]

regardless of democrat success or failure at getting voters motivated, there's still a baffling lack of acknowledgement in this thread that at least around half of these people did not vote for trump.

"i guess they deserve this" is lunacy, i need to log off

 

[Aquavelvaman]

even ignoring democrat success or failure at getting voters motivated, there's still an baffling lack of acknowledgement in this thread that around half of these people did not vote for trump.

"i guess they deserve this" is lunacy, i need to log off

It doesn't matter who they voted for. They don't deserve to suffer and die.

 

[kirblar]

Back in the 1930's-1940's FDR and Eleanor went to Warm Springs, GA for help with his polio. They would take drives out in the country and visit with folks. They could not believe the conditions the people in rural Georgia had to live in at the time. No electricity, no running water, bad diet. no medical care. Coming from New York City they were in culture shock.
The Rural Electrification Agency, Tennessee Valley Authority, and Social Security were his legacy. These folks voted the Democrat ticket for 30 years afterwards.
All we have to do is help.
There were a lot of racists back then as well and we thought we were changing them. But some things take longer than we expect. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try. A lot of brown folks still out here in the boondocks.
The US will be better in the long run if we can make some changes through kindness instead of anger.

To appease those racists we made sure many of tbose social programs didnt help nonwhite people. And the modern Dem party isnt willing to make that concession again. And shouldn't be.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

regardless of democrat success or failure at getting voters motivated, there's still a baffling lack of acknowledgement in this thread that at least around half of these people did not vote for trump.

"i guess they deserve this" is lunacy, i need to log off

It doesn't matter who they voted for. They don't deserve to suffer and die.

yeeeuup

 

[Darryl M R]

Do rural Americans facing these issues view themselves as poor? Like nearly, permanently poor and disenfranchised, or are they premature embarrassed millionaires?

I know some GAF members spoke and shared stories about some communities not accepting their situation but lying to themselves.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

regardless of democrat success or failure at getting voters motivated, there's still a baffling lack of acknowledgement in this thread that at least around half of these people did not vote for trump.

"i guess they deserve this" is lunacy, i need to log off

no you see, actually they should've taken the time to vote so they could get a candidate that will be very polite to them while they're dying off, it's much different

Do rural Americans facing these issues view themselves as poor? Like nearly, permanently poor and disenfranchised, or are they premature embarrassed millionaires?

I know some GAF members spoke and shared stories about some communities not accepting their situation but lying to themselves.

I'm pretty sure people killing themselves here aren't delusional about their prospects!

 

[elrechazado]

^^ 2 posts and joined las year. Not conspicuous at all.

WTF?
Oh, the other guy

 

[WedgeX]

Where were those for the 8 years Obama was president? Were those campaign promises from Hillary Clinton, need sources please.

Uhh expanded, and guaranteed to boot, mental healthcare came with the Affordable Care Act. Moreso in places that accepted the expansion of Medicaid.

 

[Dai101]

WTF?

Not you. That was added to the guy above mine.

 

[Slayven]

 

[SerTapTap]

The sarcasm of this post illustrates the elitist liberal attitude that small town people hate and that attitude is why democrats can never ever win rural towns.

Pretending objective facts about economic reality are "LIBERAL ELITE ATTITUDES" is why the republican party is a shambling skeleton which could only win with the grassroots support of actual fucking neo nazis last year. And only because Hillary is the worst candidate the Democrats have posed in decades.

The republicans better realize they are SO fucked long term over this. They have absolutely no good qualities for moderate voters.

Holy shit the amount of blatant hate and ignorance in this thread is fucking appalling. I absolutely cannot believe a group of people that claim to be tolerant and accepting can be so fucking cold and oblivious to the plights of other Americans. If they voted for Hilary Clinton do you think anything would be different in rural America? Did Obama do anything to help that skyrocketing suicide rate? Didn't fucking think so.

Have you seen the unemployment numbers? Basically every single measurable indicator of success in our country going up up up? Better healthcare, less unemployment, more money, none of these things helped "small town" people at all?

The "downturn" most republicans pretend exist simply does not agree with objective fact. That's why they go for anecdotes over data. Someone's always doing like shit, and all they need is one sob story to ignore all the facts and data in the world.

And pray tell, what has glorious master race trump, god king of coal and slaughterer of the horrid brown hordes done for small town america? Aside from trying to revoke their health care and move their taxes from science to war without actually decreasing the overall budget.

All the walls and muslim bans in the world aren't going to bring the economy back to the, uh...what economy do they even want? The 60s? The one that led to a massive bust and inflation almost immediately after in the 70s? Like I said, the economic expansion they're pining for is...the fucking Obama years. Morons, every single one of them.

 

[Darryl M R]

I'm pretty sure people killing themselves here aren't delusional about their prospects!

Don't be too quick with the sass. Seeing how their urban counter parts don't match their suicide rates. People coming from the south side of any city riddled with poverty and crime are well aware of their prospects yet do not face similar suicide rates.

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

Do rural Americans facing these issues view themselves as poor? Like nearly, permanently poor and disenfranchised, or are they premature embarrassed millionaires?

I know some GAF members spoke and shared stories about some communities not accepting their situation but lying to themselves.

I guess it depends, Gaf was the first time I heard of "Premature embarrassed millionaires" most people around me accept that they are poor as fuck that's not to say that mindset doesn't exist as a cashier it's common to see people buy dozens of scratch off tickets hoping they will make it big.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Uhh expanded, and guaranteed to boot, mental healthcare came with the Affordable Care Act. Moreso in places that accepted the expansion of Medicaid.

It wasn't guaranteed, if the states in which these people lived didn't setup solid health care exchanges these people probably never saw any of it. What they were guaranteed was a tax penalty at the end of the year.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I never accused anyone of making blatant assumptions, and based off your stupid avatar I would garner to say my accusation is pretty god damn accurate. So why you are trying to flip that around on me is laughable.

Anime avatar shaming, real classy.

 

[kess]

It's hard to make the argument that Democrats are motivated to help rural voters when in much of the country, Democrats don't even run in the rural races at all.

My State Representative races was a Libertarian vs. Republican in a primarily middle class suburban county of 300,000 that voted for Obama twice. A call to the Democratic county office about how there were only Republican signs in front of the polling place resulted in a dead line. I had to go all the way up to the STATE LEVEL before I recieved a live voice.

Trump won the county, the first Republican to do so in 28 years.

 

[Incarmine]

Back in november or december people were saying we should be reaching out to the red states and help them. And they got dogpiled on by so many neogaffers who didn't want to compromise with people who don't even respect their existence.

And now what, this is the moderate "if we just engage them" faction deciding it's their turn to dogpile?

 

[JonRedcorn]

Pretending objective facts about economic reality are "LIBERAL ELITE ATTITUDES" is why the republican party is a shambling skeleton which could only win with the grassroots support of actual fucking neo nazis last year. And only because Hillary is the worst candidate the Democrats have posed in decades.

The republicans better realize they are SO fucked long term over this. They have absolutely no good qualities for moderate voters.



Have you seen the unemployment numbers? Basically every single measurable indicator of success in our country going up up up? Better healthcare, less unemployment, more money, none of these things helped "small town" people at all?

The "downturn" most republicans pretend exist simply does not agree with objective fact. That's why they go for anecdotes over data. Someone's always doing like shit, and all they need is one sob story to ignore all the facts and data in the world.

And pray tell, what has glorious master race trump, god king of coal and slaughterer of the horrid brown hordes done for small town america? Aside from trying to revoke their health care and move their taxes from science to war without actually decreasing the overall budget.

All the walls and muslim bans in the world aren't going to bring the economy back to the, uh...what economy do they even want? The 60s? The one that led to a massive bust and inflation almost immediately after in the 70s? Like I said, the economic expansion they're pining for is...the fucking Obama years. Morons, every single one of them.

So why do the statistics go right in the face of all that? I am not a Trump supporter I didn't vote for the guy. I also didn't vote for Obama. I am opting out of this bullshit but to see the hypocrisy is incredibly irritating. How do you being what seems a tolerant leftist feel about nonchalantly casting aside your fellow Americans with a laugh when it comes to serious issues like a 40% spike in suicide rates.

 

[Darryl M R]

I guess it depends, Gaf was the first time I heard of "Premature embarrassed millionaires" most people around me accept that they are poor as fuck that's not to say that mindset doesn't exist as a cashier it's common to see people buy dozens of scratch off tickets hoping they will make it big.

My thought is that some people believe coal and factory jobs will let them earn a livable wage or even better and the only thing stopping them is the that very specific, singular opportunity.

I think everyone has dreams of hitting the lotto. Ha if you could win 200 million how great would that be. Paying our $5 just to daydream and make us smile.

 

[JonRedcorn]

Anime avatar shaming, real classy.

Yeah I am not the one laughing about 40% rises in suicide rates, and claiming they deserve it buddy.

 

[Sunster]

Do rural Americans facing these issues view themselves as poor? Like nearly, permanently poor and disenfranchised, or are they premature embarrassed millionaires?

I know some GAF members spoke and shared stories about some communities not accepting their situation but lying to themselves.

From my experience rural whites see themselves as poor but somehow different than poor minorities.

 

[CheesecakeRecipe]

I never accused anyone of making blatant assumptions, and based off your stupid avatar I would garner to say my accusation is pretty god damn accurate. So why you are trying to flip that around on me is laughable.

You're gonna go far, kid.

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

I will say one thing that probable doesn't help this situation. All the hospitals that open and than close a couple of months later. My family had to change hospital around 6 times in the last couples years. It wont get any better anytime soon , My mom has a cancer tumor on her face and all the hospitals around here won't accept her insurance for that specific removal.

 

[Chumly]

It wasn't guaranteed, if the states in which these people lived didn't setup solid health care exchanges these people probably never saw any of it. What they were guaranteed was a tax penalty at the end of the year.

Except those people were exempt from a tax penalty if their states sucked

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Have you seen the unemployment numbers? Basically every single measurable indicator of success in our country going up up up? Better healthcare, less unemployment, more money, none of these things helped "small town" people at all?

This is actually worth noting because the unemployment numbers are helped by people dropping out of the workforce and giving up on finding a job. "More money" also wasn't too helpful when most of the gains are going to the 1%, far away from these people. Do you think these places are actually doing fine and just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Is it a problem with their "culture" and they just need to stop doing drugs and they'll be fine?

 

[JonRedcorn]

Except those people were exempt from a tax penalty if their states sucked

Source please.

 

[MGrant]

The urban-rural divide in America is a big fucking deal, and the country won't see progress until that problem is solved. Country is too damn big, racial attitudes too entrenched, and the comfort of isolation too easy to fall back upon.

 

[Ogodei]

Isn't Russia suffering the same thing?

European Union's managed to avert it somewhat, but only through heavy aid to rural territories to prevent this.

It's weird in the age of telecommuting that people are packing themselves back into cities.

The only real reversal are places that have a lot of natural resources. Mining, fracking, oil drilling.