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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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baphomet
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I got mine from a guy on the neo-geo board. Works great with my snes and n64. I don't know if he has any in stock right now, but I think I paid like $15 shipped or something around that. If you want to contact him pm me and I'll give you his info.
These are euro scart. As long as that's what you need and not jp21 pin his will work just fine.
That sounds brilliant, PM sent
CoachKevin
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I did a video walkthrough/review of the XRGB Mini Framemeister if anyone wants a closer look at what it does:
http://backinmyplay.com/xrgb-mini-framemeister-walkthrough-and-review/
http://backinmyplay.com/xrgb-mini-framemeister-walkthrough-and-review/
Shadow Hog
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I thought GC component cables were only $100 or so.
$150-200. Jesus.
$150-200. Jesus.
IrishNinja
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double check with AU GAF, nintendo of australia might still have some left!
Yeah I bought mine at 80 a year and a half ago, not sure what happened between then and now. More awareness I guess?
IrishNinja
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WU not getting the obvious GC BC pushed me over, personally
Shadow Hog
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Only real thing I'd gain from getting them is higher-quality GB Player, really. I suppose all two of my Japanese imports and Action Replay, too, but eh.
It's just I'm debating whether that'd be a wiser route to go than just keeping my Wii around as a Gamecube, since I already have Wii component cables. Prices like that kind of make it an obvious choice, doesn't it?
It's just I'm debating whether that'd be a wiser route to go than just keeping my Wii around as a Gamecube, since I already have Wii component cables. Prices like that kind of make it an obvious choice, doesn't it?
RadarScope1
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Good Christ, really? I have some laying around. Are you telling me I can turn a damn cable into a brand new PS Vita? Hmmmmm....
drhankmccoyphd
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Been playing a lot of wii vc games and emulators on my 32" Vizio 720p lcd. I'm actually pretty happy with the up scaling, I've heard Vizios from 2008ish had good scalers. I'm thinking about getting some old consoles and hooking them up either over s-video or rgb since my tv has both. Anyone have any experience on these tvs? Would an xrg mini be much of an improvement to an LCD apart from say scan lines?
Bought mine from retro_console_accessories on eBay.
IrishNinja
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well, you might have an EU SCART cable (all of mine from retro_console_accessories are) in which case you'd need an adapter for it that she also sells...be careful here, as plugging in the wrong region/type has blown out at least one guy's RGB port in the saturn thread!
IrishNinja
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eh, i bought 2 of those (one for SNES, one for N64 i wanna say) and i believe they are EU, as i plug both into the adapter she sells...you can contact her (might take a bit to get back to you) but she does quality work, i'd bet good $ its that
Pretty sure that is an EU cable. Most likely, if it doesn't explicitly say its a Japanese cable, it will most likely be a euro cable. Dont worry, adapters are pretty cheap.
you can make the Wii region free with homebrew and you can even downgrade the Wii's BC to accept Action Replay like it did before Nintendo blocked it.
the only reason to use a GC these days is the Game Boy Player. GC component cables are way too expensive now and are only worth it if you have super eyesight and can tell the difference between the the image quality of GC and Wii component cables. i have them and i think it isn't really worth it for the price they have now (they were definitely worth it when they were $40 back in the day and the Wii didn't exist yet)
Question! I have an official SNES RGB cable. Would this work with an RGB modded N64 and Gamecube out the box like my Monster S-Video cables? And if it did work with the Gamecube, how would it's picture improve compared to the GC Component cables since they are a step down technically from RGB?
GayForMaster
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Hey guys quick question, here in Canada I don't think I we have TVs with SCART but I hear SCART cables give the best possible quality over the other cables for the model 1 snes.
I don't have the funds to get an upscalar so for now I've decided to deal with a CRT, my question though is if quality will be lost if I convert the SCART into a suitable output? I guess if I convert it to composite or s-video (I'd say component but I don't know if my CRT has component).
Oh yeah, another note is that the SCART cable I bought is this from retro console accessories.
I don't have the funds to get an upscalar so for now I've decided to deal with a CRT, my question though is if quality will be lost if I convert the SCART into a suitable output? I guess if I convert it to composite or s-video (I'd say component but I don't know if my CRT has component).
Oh yeah, another note is that the SCART cable I bought is this from retro console accessories.
Sounds like your in the same boat I am. American dealing with the wonderful input we never got too. Well I do see people use this SCART to Component Convertor and haven't heard much about any degradation in quality. And as for Component inputs themselves, they look like this:
Green, Blue and Red inputs marked "Y/Pb/and Pr" respectively (dont confuse the red input for the white and red audio inputs). If not, then you may not have Component inputs on your TV.
Another thing to keep in mind regarding Scart connections are that you make sure devices that interface with them are used with the correct region. In your case, the cables you got are PAL Scart cables. The convertor I linked works with those cables, so you should be all set. However, Japan had it's own SCART standard (21-pin) that may look similar, but is not compatible with PAL interfaces. Could lead to unintended damage. Just something to keep in mind in the future.
Also check out the CRT for retro systems thread, since fellow CRT owners probably congregate there too! Let us know how things work out. I'd love to see your end results!
GayForMaster
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Sounds like your in the same boat I am. American dealing with the wonderful input we never got too. Well I do see people use this SCART to Component Convertor and haven't heard much about any degradation in quality. And as for Component inputs themselves, they look like this:
Green, Blue and Red inputs marked "Y/Pb/and Pr" respectively (dont confuse the red input for the white and red audio inputs). If not, then you may not have Component inputs on your TV.
Another thing to keep in mind regarding Scart connections are that you make sure devices that interface with them are used with the correct region. In your case, the cables you got are PAL Scart cables. The convertor I linked works with those cables, so you should be all set. However, Japan had it's own SCART standard (21-pin) that may look similar, but is not compatible with PAL interfaces. Could lead to unintended damage. Just something to keep in mind in the future.
Also check out the CRT for retro systems thread, since fellow CRT owners probably congregate there too! Let us know how things work out. I'd love to see your end results!
Ah...! It does have a component output. It's a Sony KV-27FS120. I think I might grab that converter then. I'll S-Video my N64, composite my NES and SCART-Component my Snes I suppose? Can't wait to try it out.
Another question actually, the Y/Pb/and Pr are all video right? What would I do about audio if all I could do is convert the scart to y/pb/pr?
Funny how it's me answering your questions because I'm fairly new to this stuff myself. Nice TV btw, I think that will work nicely for you!
As for audio, someone asked a similar question to yours on that Amazon product page and one of the replies was to get a breakout adaptor like this one so you can pull the audio from the SCART to whatever you need. Not sure if it degrades quality though. Maybe others can offer better insights though.
IrishNinja
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though she's hard to reach, i understand in the past she's taken custom orders...might be worth asking, tekno!
I'll give it a shot. All else fails, i'll just keep up the search.
baphomet
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I you're talking about NTSC consoles it will work on an RGB modded N64, but NTSC gamecubes don't output RGB at all. PAL gamecubes on the other hand do output RGB, and I would think the cable would work fine.
I've noticed something somewhat shitty. As I mentioned I picked up a 32x today, and I noticed that if I play genesis games through it in RGB I get very faint vertical lines. Doesn't happen if I run the game in the genesis with the same cable. Thankfully they're faint enough you can only notice them if you're looking for them. Just curious if anyone else has hear of this happening? I was under the impression that it was just acting as a passthrough and wasn't actually doing anything.
IrishNinja
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well, i havent tried my 32x since going RGB (it had video trouble i was working on) but if i get the same result, ill let you know...hopefully not!
sixteen-bit
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I think I have that jailbar issue on my Asian NTSC Mega Drive over RGB
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
So if I wanted to pick up some JP RGB cables (not SCART) for my US Genesis (model 1) & Saturn, where should I look? EDIT: I'll go ahead and message that one eBay seller everyone seems to link.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Excuse the double post, but I was wondering if any of the RGB aficionados here had any input on the XCAPTURE-1 capture card. If so, could you give this post a look.
Hey you.
Hey.
Hey you.
Shadow Hog
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Any advice on purchasing from Solaris Japan? I was all ready to order the XRGB-mini and a component input for it, but stopped when I noticed that Paypal's price was higher than SJ's quote; apparently Paypal is operating at ~96 yen to the dollar, which is noticeably lower than the 99.3 Google says it should be going for.
Hiiiiiii!
Gimme a bit, I'll respond to your other post in a little more detail. I'm not using it's pass through feature myself as I was having some trouble getting it to work with my setup, but I use a splitter. And all I'm using it for is 240p (mostly arcade PCB's) content so far.
Well, I'm taking the plunge into the world of upscaling. My Framemeister should be here this week.
Starting off just with my Genesis via RGB (maybe I'll actually be able to beat Target Earth again), the others will be composite for now. May try my hand at modding a SNES Mini for RGB output soon.
Starting off just with my Genesis via RGB (maybe I'll actually be able to beat Target Earth again), the others will be composite for now. May try my hand at modding a SNES Mini for RGB output soon.
sixteen-bit
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good luck, Target Earth is a hard-ass game
I remember beating my head against a wall with the game back when it was new, before finally beating it. I'm betting I won't have the ability or dedication to beat it now, heh.
Shadow Hog
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Update on this: I instead tried to check out the first option ("Bank Deposit" or something), and instead of prompting me if I'm sure, it immediately declares the order placed, with no obvious means of cancelling it. So then I'm on hold with my bank, trying to do a wire transfer (for the first time in my life) to a bank in Germany, which I'm not even sure my bank can DO. The answer: nope, they can't do it. I've left a message with Solaris asking the order be cancelled, because there's no other way I could possibly do it.
So my options are "Bank Deposit", which doesn't work, "Paypal", which is at the wrong exchange rate, or "Paypal" again, which is actually credit card, but is missing the three-digit security code, and as such I can't do jackshit with.
I'm really starting to hate this site. I should just get an XRGB off of eBay; much less hassle than putting up with this.
Shadow Hog
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It's not just a point, though, it's a good three points different.
Right now I just want the failed bank transfer one cancelled; I can fret about what to do from there.
Yep, PayPal always charges a premium. That's normal :-(
Well, you bank card, debit card, checking account are all going to charge something like 2 or 2+ points (or whatever the going exchange rate most banks charge). Paypal is like 3 or 3+.
In other words about $6 more on a $400 purchase.
My god. The Framemeister is some goddamn wizardry. I'm amazed (and this is still using composite hookups).
updating firmware and switching to English was dead simple. Currently using Natural mode. 720p. Never thought I'd see my old systems look good on my projector, this is already beyond what I'd hoped for. Genesis SCART cable can't get here fast enough.
Bad cell phone pic of Sonic 1 hooked up via composite on 120" screen, Sony LCD projector:
On the bad side, Target Earth is no longer working. Hopefully it just needs cleaning. This Genesis is a bit beat up (and was a cheap craigslist find, need to get a nice early model 1,soon), so it may be the problem. I'd rather that than lose TE.
updating firmware and switching to English was dead simple. Currently using Natural mode. 720p. Never thought I'd see my old systems look good on my projector, this is already beyond what I'd hoped for. Genesis SCART cable can't get here fast enough.
Bad cell phone pic of Sonic 1 hooked up via composite on 120" screen, Sony LCD projector:
On the bad side, Target Earth is no longer working. Hopefully it just needs cleaning. This Genesis is a bit beat up (and was a cheap craigslist find, need to get a nice early model 1,soon), so it may be the problem. I'd rather that than lose TE.
IrishNinja
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ah, having read your follow-ups, i guess you've exhausted your options...i can tell you this, their customer service is slow to respond but good about it when they do, might wanna hit them up about the canceled order #! if nothing else, i think that guy in B/S/T might still be selling for a similar price?
If anyone is interested in buying a Framemeister, I sell them my self. Brand new with 1.08 firmware and I can pre-set them to English too if requested. I won't post the price here in case I'm breaking any rules but my sales thread can be found here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79882321&postcount=16530
IrishNinja
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^this is the guy i was talkin 'bout, he's totally legit and has one of the best reviews of the unit itself on youtube. for posterity, Yakumo: feel free man, no rules i'm aware of against posting prices!
So this isn't totally about upscalers or anything, but does anyone know where I could get a Japanese Scart to European Scart converter? I believe that's what I need.
Here's the deal: I have a Sony PVM-2530, which has a wonky input that necessitated (as far as I could tell), the purchase of this: http://www.retrogamingcables.com/sony-pvm-scart-converter.html
However, I didn't do terribly much research, and it turns out to plug into that converter, I need a European Scart. However! My US SNES isn't happy with a European Scart.
So, ultimately, I think what I'll end up needing is either an all in one cord that properly comes out of the US SNES while remaining Euro Scart on the other end (as seen here, I believe, but they are always out of stock: http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super-nintendo-ntsc-rgb-av-scart-cable-av-lead-cord-for-sale.html ), or I would need a typical Japanese Scart or whatever, for the US SNES, and a Jap-to-Euro Scart converter, so that I can get it into the D-Sub thing for my Sony PVM-2530.
Here's the deal: I have a Sony PVM-2530, which has a wonky input that necessitated (as far as I could tell), the purchase of this: http://www.retrogamingcables.com/sony-pvm-scart-converter.html
However, I didn't do terribly much research, and it turns out to plug into that converter, I need a European Scart. However! My US SNES isn't happy with a European Scart.
So, ultimately, I think what I'll end up needing is either an all in one cord that properly comes out of the US SNES while remaining Euro Scart on the other end (as seen here, I believe, but they are always out of stock: http://www.retrogamingcables.com/super-nintendo-ntsc-rgb-av-scart-cable-av-lead-cord-for-sale.html ), or I would need a typical Japanese Scart or whatever, for the US SNES, and a Jap-to-Euro Scart converter, so that I can get it into the D-Sub thing for my Sony PVM-2530.
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