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[yurinka]

Specific custom hardware to get way better RT and ML performance which would result in way better:

• Real time global illumination (lighting + shadows + translucent materials + fog/smoke...)
• AI based texture and 3D model detail enhacement in real time
• Basically lossless super resolution scaling (from 1080p to 8K)
• AI based frame generation (from 30/60fps to 120fps or even 240fps)
• Better 3D audio
• Easier to make VR versions of AAA games
• Better image quality in Remote Play and cloud gaming

Even faster SSD and related compression/IO system which would result in:

• Even shorter loading times
• More dense and detailed worlds

Wifi8, wifi9 or whatever latest wifi/bluetooth version is available on its release year:

• Better input lag in local gaming, remote play and cloud gaming
• Faster downloads
• Better online multiplayer

Optional disc drive and FULL BC for all PS generations:

• 99.9% of the PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5, PSP, PS Vita digital and physical games work in PS6
• The optional disc drive reads PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5, PS6 discs, also has UMD and Vita card reader
• Includes slots for PS1, PS2, PSP, PS Vita memory cards to easily import savedata

Splittable Dual Sense 2:

• Can be played as always
• Can be splitted for VR or to attach it to the sides of a phone or tablet
• Lowest input lag in PS history
• Battery last longer than in any previous wireless PS gamepad
• Anti-drift tech
• Has sensors under it to detect finger positions for VR or Vita BC

Unified PSN:

• All games are crossbuy, crossplay, crosssave not only with all previous PS consoles, but also with the upcoming PC PSN store and next Sony handheld

 

[Paasei]

Disc drive.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

A 32GB GDDR7 configuration would be too expensive for a console. I'd expect something like 24GB through 3GB modules.

I'm thinking like 3 to 4 years down the road, the price by then should be more reasonable.

 

[saintjules]

Wrong page

 

[vkbest]

im just hoping for standardize 60fps and 120fps . fuck 30fps.

That is not happening with 30fps defenders, who prefer a blurry in movement game to a smoother game in general. Their agenda now is promoting 40fps.

 

[hinch7]

I'm thinking like 3 to 4 years down the road, the price by then should be more reasonable.

32GB configuration would be 16x2GB chips. Thats double the amount of the PS5 and the Pro. Way more complexity in the chip and board and added cost of memory modules.

8x3GB in a 256bit config would make a lot more sense. And you wouldn't need that much VRAM. That'll be like capactity of a 4090 and theoretically should offer similar bandwidth with GDDR7.

Main focus should be getting in a bigger GPU with plenty of cache.'

It was precisely the point.

You need 480fps to achieve something proper technology achieved with simple 60fps twenty years ago, and as a matter of fact not even, as we had a Thread here showcasing you would need 1000fps for true CRT motion.

On the latest Panasonic plasmas using 3000Hz sub-field drive, simple 60fps also was CRT-like.

Now imagine the graphic/technical disparity between a console game running at 60fps vs 480fps, when a simple more effective monitor/TV technology could have the former looking smoother than the latter.

Its a night and day difference for FPS/competitive games. And playing competitvely with high framerates for that reduced input lag and motion clarity is definately a nice to have. I've been gaming up to 240hz for CS and CoD for last few years. And wouldn't go back.

For singleplayer games its excessive. Though with excess GPU power achievable and frame generation, I could see some developers using that more as refresh rates are bound to go up on TV's in the coming years. It'll be a nice option anyways if the next HDMI spec supports it.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

90% sure it won't happen but a built in Disk Drive like the base PS5 would be nice instead of the weaker disc drive versions from the Slim and Pro.

A lot more CPU power.

2TB memory starting off.

Graphic power in the 5070 or 6060 at least.

Not more expensive than the PS5 Pro.

 

[I'm nobody]

Wireless vr n better ai
I mean walk upto someone ask how day was n start a adventure

 

[diffusionx]

That is not happening with 30fps defenders, who prefer a blurry in movement game to a smoother game in general. Their agenda now is promoting 40fps.

Sony said something like 80% of people play games at 60fps on PS5. Major reason why the Pro was designed the way it is. I don't see a lot of 30fps defenders anymore.

We'll get the best box they can build for $500 or so and people will say it's not good enough. I already hear people saying the Pro is what the PS5 should have been, forgetting it's four years later.

 

[Perrott]

On the low end, yup! Hopefully 480 FPS

The PS5 and PS5 Pro are already doing 120 FPS without frame gen. Add on 4 more years for the tech to mature, why couldn't the PS6 achieve at least 240 FPS? If a new HDMI standard is going to be announced next month and higher refresh rates are one of the talking points then that gives TV manufacturers 4 years to develop TVs capable of taking advantage of the new spec, and for Sony to integrate it into the PS6 which is ample time. Sony already makes a gaming monitor capable of 480Hz, that's the proof of concept right there. TVs just need a newer HDMI spec to handle the higher bandwidth requirement and they'll get there too. The prospect of CRT levels of motion clarity got me drooling

The stars are aligning for a lot of things to come together next gen, I think.

First things first... you're never going to get more than 120fps output from an SOC CPU on next-generation games, not even while rendering at 1080p. Second, you're never going to get over 120fps output on the PS6 because consoles are designed around the typical specs of mainstream TVs, not monitors, while their games are built are built around those targets. Third, why would you want 480fps only to achieve clearer motion clarity when that aspect is already expected to continue to improve on modern TV panels over time and certainly by 2028? Not to mention that such novelty is only a concern to a weirdo like John Linneman who owns a $3000 Trinitron PVM and is obsessed with that shit; the regular consumer hasn't given a damn about such thing for 20 years now.

 

[xrnzaaas]

- Hall effect controllers
- Bluray drive still available
- Ditch attempts to offer high quality ray tracing, focus on good performance
- Bring back the option to copy savegames to a usb or offer free cloud saves like Xbox

 

[noob smokes]

A fully functional PS3 inside

That also play ps1&2 games by disc

 

[KeplerL2]

How do you think they would solve the AI/ML bandwidth issue, other than what we saw in the PS5 Pro tech breakdown?

Look at MI350X matrix cores changes when that's announced.

 

[vivftp]

First things first... you're never going to get more than 120fps output from an SOC CPU on next-generation games, not even while rendering at 1080p. Second, you're never going to get over 120fps output on the PS6 because consoles are designed around the typical specs of mainstream TVs, not monitors, while their games are built are built around those targets. Third, why would you want 480fps only to achieve clearer motion clarity when that aspect is already expected to continue to improve on modern TV panels over time and certainly by 2028? Not to mention that such novelty is only a concern to a weirdo like John Linneman who owns a $3000 Trinitron PVM and is obsessed with that shit; the regular consumer hasn't given a damn about such thing for 20 years now.

1. I said using frame gen, so a beastly CPU isn't necessary. If the game can hit 120 native FPS then current frame gen tech can bump it up to 240 FPS and who knows what future frame gen tech can do.

2. The HDMI spec is rumored to be getting updated next month meaning new capabilities for TVs. Those capabilities will be in TVs in 4 years when the PS6 shows up

 

[PeteBull]

Specs wise i would be happy with something around 4090 to 5090, price wise no1 knows, but if we include discdrive, here in europe at launch very possibly 999$ equivalent, for comparision ps5pr0 is around 1200usd here in poland when we consider crazy mark up on disc drive which is even done by actual stores/online shops

 

[MrJangles]

A 3.5" floppy disc drive.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

No bandwidth limitation for their compute and ML capabilities but its seems unrealistic

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

cell2 and/or custom gpu with secret sauce
non-ugly chassis
built in disc drive
atmos by default
hdmi2.2

above all, games

 

[manzo]

I just finished my old-school gaming station with a proper Panasonic CRT. I don’t think there is anything anymore Sony can offer as all games are available on PC at a later stage. PC, Nintendo and retro only for me. So whatever Sony does in their next console, I have already outdone on my PC. So it’s only about games. And Sony’s first party does absolutely nothing for me sans AstroBot, but that is also soon for PC.

 

[Games Bookstore]

I'd like it to be the next water cooler. HDMI input so I can plug in cable TV / set-top boxes in to watch TV TV Sports Sports while I play. Make sure it's DRM enabled and always online.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Actual exclusive games, a minimum of 7 per year.

 

[jasondefaoite]

1. Dual Wi-Fi chips. I'd like to see the PS6 have two Wi-Fi chips so one can be used to connect to the internet, and the other can be used for a direct streaming connection to the PS Portal successor (much like the Wii U gamepad) and the PSVR3 for wireless gaming. With this one extra Wi-Fi chip they can kill two birds with one stone by covering those two accessories, and possibly more depending on what else they might develop.

You don't need dual chips for this. Wi-Fi 6E or Wi-Fi 7 has support for 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 6GHz bands. So you support all 3 bands. Either the 5 or 6Gig band can be used to connect to the internet while the other could be used for a connection to a Portal type device. I think you'll need something more like WiGig (60+ GHz) for line of sight networking with a PSVR device (don't see that happening)

 

[CliffBronger]

No doubt within a year it will be another 30fps box.

So same day game launches on pc is where it needs to be, so we don't have to play at garbage framerates.

 

[vivftp]

Gaiff
Hrk69

I said I'd tag y'all!

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4K 240 FPS is definitely in the cards with this new standard and I guess even 4K 480 FPS under certain circumstances (my knowledge is insufficient here). At the very least 4K 240 FPS falls within my wishlist and this is the first requirement to make it happen, a new HDMI standard so the tech can be in place by holiday 2028 for the PS6 and future TVs. Utilizing frame gen there's no real reason why the PS6 can't hit 240 FPS in many games given the PS5 and PS5 Pro already hit 120 FPS with many games. Will wait for others to chime in on that 480 FPS part, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it can be an option and that future frame gen tech can also help to hit those numbers.

 

[Gaiff]

Gaiff
Hrk69

I said I'd tag y'all!

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HDMI 2.2 offers higher bandwidth than DisplayPort 2.1 Up to 96 Gbps, twice the bandwidth of 2.1 specs. Today, we have updates for both DisplayPort (2.1b specifications) and HDMI. As rumored, the HDMI Forum is announcing new specifications for its 2021 connection standard, enabling significantly...

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4K 240 FPS is definitely in the cards with this new standard and I guess even 4K 480 FPS under certain circumstances (my knowledge is insufficient here). At the very least 4K 240 FPS falls within my wishlist and this is the first requirement to make it happen, a new HDMI standard so the tech can be in place by holiday 2028 for the PS6 and future TVs. Utilizing frame gen there's no real reason why the PS6 can't hit 240 FPS in many games given the PS5 and PS5 Pro already hit 120 FPS with many games. Will wait for others to chime in on that 480 FPS part, but I'm cautiously optimistic that it can be an option and that future frame gen tech can also help to hit those numbers.

And the base PS4 has HDMI 2.0, which is why we saw 4K games…oh wait!

 

[vivftp]

And the base PS4 has HDMI 2.0, which is why we saw 4K games…oh wait!

Don't make me tag you again when the PS6 gets announced!

 

[Kenneth Haight]

The death of 30fps hopefully

 

[Gaiff]

Don't make me tag you again when the PS6 gets announced!

And when it inevitably shows nothing sniffing 480Hz, what are you going to do? The PS5 has HDMI 2.1. Where the 240Hz games at?

 

[vivftp]

And when it inevitably shows nothing sniffing 480Hz, what are you going to do? The PS5 has HDMI 2.1. Where the 240Hz games at?

Note that in my original wishlist I listed "240Hz or even 480Hz gaming" so 240 FPS gaming would still fulfill my wish. 480 doesn't seem to be entirely dead as it's included in that slide, I just don't know the circumstances where it could appear. At the very least there's no technical reason limiting 240 FPS gaming on the PS6 now as all the pieces are in place. I mean, can you think of any reason for them to not utilize frame gen on the PS6?

 

[R6Rider]

Multi-audio output like the PS3 had would be nice.

 

[Bond007]

A freakin disc drive included.

 

[Kvally]

New games.

 

[spons]

I'm fuming, jelqing, cumming, sharting, raging and flaming at the thought of the lack of native backwards compatibility for PS3 this device will also have.

 

[Gaiff]

Note that in my original wishlist I listed "240Hz or even 480Hz gaming" so 240 FPS gaming would still fulfill my wish. 480 doesn't seem to be entirely dead as it's included in that slide, I just don't know the circumstances where it could appear. At the very least there's no technical reason limiting 240 FPS gaming on the PS6 now as all the pieces are in place. I mean, can you think of any reason for them to not utilize frame gen on the PS6?

Games you want at 240Hz for are fast-paced twitch shooters or MP titles. You want the lowest possible latency, which frame gen doesn’t provide.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

A disc drive.

 

[vivftp]

Games you want at 240Hz for are fast-paced twitch shooters or MP titles. You want the lowest possible latency, which frame gen doesn’t provide.

Games like Spider-Man 2 and Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7 have 120 FPS modes and aren't twitch shooters. There're tons of games that are 120 FPS on console and aren't twitch shooters.

Just like there are tons of those games on PS5 that can do 120 FPS, there will be tons of games on PS6 that can utilize frame gen to hit 240 FPS

 

[FoxMcChief]

Multiple games being suspended at once

Remote play to have higher resolution

Lose the worthless touchpad on controller

Better battery, or let me use my own AA’s

4k resolution at a minimum

 

[Gaiff]

Games like Spider-Man 2 and Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7 have 120 FPS modes and aren't twitch shooters. There're tons of games that are 120 FPS on console and aren't twitch shooters.

Just like there are tons of those games on PS5 that can do 120 FPS, there will be tons of games on PS6 that can utilize frame gen to hit 240 FPS

And none of those games touch 120fps with any sort of consistency besides GT7 on. Furthermore, they’d have to retroactively add frame generation, which is incredibly unlikely. Without input reduction technologies, frame generation increases latency, so good luck with that.

For 240Hz to be viable, you’d need third-party games that can run at 120fps and then add frame generation on top and again, unless they get something to reduce latency, you’ll get a smoother but less responsive game.

 

[vivftp]

And none of those games touch 120fps with any sort of consistency besides GT7 on. Furthermore, they’d have to retroactively add frame generation, which is incredibly unlikely. Without input reduction technologies, frame generation increases latency, so good luck with that.

For 240Hz to be viable, you’d need third-party games that can run at 120fps and then add frame generation on top and again, unless they get something to reduce latency, you’ll get a smoother but less responsive game.

Again, we're talking about next gen with all the gooey goodness that comes with a generational advancement. With the advancement of AI reconstruction, frame gen and any number of any tech, what I am predicting is more of a reality than ever before.

Okokokokok, I'll tag you in about 3.5 years when the PS6 gets announced

 

[Gaiff]

Again, we're talking about next gen with all the gooey goodness that comes with a generational advancement. With the advancement of AI reconstruction, frame gen and any number of any tech, what I am predicting is more of a reality than ever before.

Okokokokok, I'll tag you in about 3.5 years when the PS6 gets announced

What the fuck do you think will be in the PS6? Have you seen the performance of the Pro over the 5? Up to 45% faster GPU.

The PS6 will focus on 4K and RT and use frame generation to reach 60fps there. It won’t gun for 240fps in indie titles.

 

[vivftp]

What the fuck do you think will be in the PS6? Have you seen the performance of the Pro over the 5? Up to 45% faster GPU.

The PS6 will focus on 4K and RT and use frame generation to reach 60fps there. It won’t gun for 240fps in indie titles.

3.5 years and we'll talk

 

[Hudo]

Video games.

 

[Beechos]

That's fine, they can do lower native resolutions and lower native frame rates and allow PSSR2 to upscale to 4K and frame gen to hit 240 or 480 FPS. The pieces all exist today and will be much more mature in 4 years when the PS6 shows up.

If the new HDMI spec gets announced next month then I think that'll give us a very good idea of what the PS6 will be able to achieve.

Wouldn't you also need a compatible display to support this? I would only imagine the highest of the high end would be compatible with that.

 

[vivftp]

Wouldn't you also need a compatible display to support this? I would only imagine the highest of the high end would be compatible with that.

Take a look at the update I posted earlier today friend

The new HDMI standard has been announced and 4K 240 Hz is going to be a definite option, and maybe even 4K 480Hz under certain circumstances, I'm unclear about that. The new HDMI standard being announced now means that by the time the PS6 shows up around holiday 2028, displays with that capability will be on the market and throughout the PS6's life span those displays will become more and more common.

 

[vivftp]

What the fuck do you think will be in the PS6? Have you seen the performance of the Pro over the 5? Up to 45% faster GPU.

The PS6 will focus on 4K and RT and use frame generation to reach 60fps there. It won’t gun for 240fps in indie titles.

Look at that Nvidia announcing multi frame gen which can deliver 3 extra frames for each rendered one, turning 60 FPS into 240

I'm telling ya, the stars are aligning for this tech to be commonplace for the PS6

Just call me Nostradamus

 

[Gaiff]

Look at that Nvidia announcing multi frame gen which can deliver 3 extra frames for each rendered one, turning 60 FPS into 240

I'm telling ya, the stars are aligning for this tech to be commonplace for the PS6

Just call me Nostradamus

Dude, just stop. First it was the PS4 with HDMI 2.0 that never had a 4K game. Now, it’s RTX 50 series features cards in the PS6.

 

[vivftp]

Dude, just stop. First it was the PS4 with HDMI 2.0 that never had a 4K game. Now, it’s RTX 50 series features cards in the PS6.

The prophecy is becoming a reality, embrace it!!!

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Games.

 

[Calico345]

 

[Melchiah]

Support for Bluetooth headphones.

It's ridiculous that Sony's own noise-cancelling headphones don't work with the console, and you have to use PS-branded ones which have around six times shorter battery charge (~6 hours vs. 35 hours). Sure, you can use non-PS headphones through TV, but you lose the sound options that PS5 provides.


Better system customization options.

It's ridiculous that I can hide when I'm online, but I can't hide my playing hours (unless I hide all trophies as well) which show when I've been online.