When did the woke trend start in gaming?

Killer is Dead is the first occurrence I remember quite clearly. Someone here posted a "review" that claimed that Suda51 needed fuck off forever. When I checked the video, it said literally nothing about the game. Instead it was made by a white knight complaining about the flirting mini game for like 10 minutes. I guess around this time I got banned by the old mod team because I said that a children's game like Pokemon doesn"t need gender options beyond girl and boy.
 
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The thing about her videos is that she made a lot of really good points. Video Games had become a very male space and there was value in looking at the way that women were represented in games. All art is subject to a critical examination of how that art both affects and is affected by society. For a long time, games had gotten a free pass. Looking at how comically terrible the portrayal of women had become wasn't just something noticed by Sarkeesian, either.
Really good points..? I agree that games are worth examining, but Sarkeesian's videos are kinda crap. We were unfortunate that she was the one who started this while thing. We could have had a healthy dialog about these topics, but the way she positioned herself as a victim and anyone who disagrees as a bigot (with the media following suit) shut down any possibility of that happening.
 

laynelane

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2012 Kotaku / Gamasutra. Mostly started as just articles and pressure campaigns criticizing things like Catwoman in Arkham City. DOA6 started changing designs. Anita Sarkeesian videos. Took another 10 years for full blown projects to materialize with this stuff planned in from the beginning.

Yeah, there was lots of rumbling before things really kicked off in 2014. That's when the "Gamers are Dead" articles all released at the same time - showing a concentrated campaign among gaming media to devalue gamers - ie. their audience.
 

MarV0

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Really good points..? I agree that games are worth examining, but Sarkeesian's videos are kinda crap. We were unfortunate that she was the one who started this while thing. We could have had a healthy dialog about these topics, but the way she positioned herself as a victim and anyone who disagrees as a bigot (with the media following suit) shut down any possibility of that happening.
There was nothing to discuss imo. I've noticed that TV shows and Movies are now rife with female fan service. Topless or naked muscly dudes everywhere, all sex scenes these days start with cunnilingus and now there is even an industry for huge prosthetic cocks for male actors (eg Sex Life on Netflix) catering to the female gaze. Where is the outrage?

The only way for a guy to get any sort of fan service out of his entertainment these days is Asia or mods.

There is nothing altruistic about it. It's all part of the plan to severely monetize male sexuality. Want to see boobs? You got to pay an onlyfans whore.
 
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According to grok. “Gone home in 2013 was a big marker.”

That year is definitely around the time it started getting the media push. If you look at Anita Sarkeesian YouTube channel, it was always small, even after being amplified by the media.
That is a surprisingly apt catch by Grok. Gone Home was the actual catalyst for gamergate. The game was deliberately dishonestly marketed as a horror experience. Game journos we’re complicit in this scheme, refusing to “spoil” the big surprise: it’s a walking simulator about a lesbian coming of age.

The press dutifully awarded universal praise, and this duped a lot of people - myself included - into buying it. Lo and behold, we discovered Gone Home is a non-game wrapped around a woke narrative. Why did seemingly every game journo wet themselves over this trash?

Turns out game journalism - like mainstream journalism - is almost completely ideologically possessed. There is a massive ideological disconnect between the journalists who create legacy media content and the general audience who are meant to consume that content. And this disconnect, perfectly exemplified by Gone Home, was always going to erupt in some kind of conflict. The Zoe Quinn debacle was just a convenient inflection point for both sides.

Incidentally, the more current culture war in gaming is the result of a similar disconnect, this one between gamers and game developers. Many of the latter came directly from the previous conflict with the game journo class metastasizing into game dev. Anita Sarkeesian was touring studios in the 2010s. Now her fellow travelers run those studios.

Gaming is pretty unique in this manner. I can’t think of another industry with such a large disparity between the cultural and political values of its producers and its consumers. It’s especially bizarre when you consider the nature of the product - video games - as a vehicle for transmitting those cultural and political values. I suppose Hollywood is in a pretty similar position right now.
 
Personally, I could feel the creep of it start in Naughty Dog games, and it slowly but surely escalated.
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Danjin44

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My issue is both side have become overly paranoid.

One side calling every little thing "problematic" and other calling everything "woke".

Personally all I care about is creative freedom, even its something I dont like devs should have every right to make them with no restriction.
 
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the exact date, game, moment, etc. isn't important. what's important is: NEVER FORGET!!!!! in the not too distant future, they will begin to tell us things didn't happen as we lived and remembered them. and then they'll point fingers and do the gavin newsome "no one in my office ever said that stuff" bullshit. and then the toxic, racist, yadda yadda stuff will fire up again! NOT ON MY WATCH!
 

pudel

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Personally all I care about is creative freedom, even its something I dont like devs should have every right to make them with no restriction.
Yep, but an institutional forced DEI agenda is basically the opposite of "creative freedom". I consider this LGBTQ stuff more as a niche genre in gaming. There is nothing wrong when devs wanna do these kind of games...games like South of Midnight or Dustborn and such....but they have to live than with smaller budgets and smaller revenue. Stuffing this into any big established franchise is just asking for trouble imho.
 

poodaddy

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ah yes because the opposite of a cuck would be someone crying over the size of your favourite female characters arse or how wide her jaw is.
A cuck accepts censorship and calls it progress.
I couldn't give a fuck about fan service in games, was never a fan, just don't see the problem with people enjoying sexuality in games, or anything else for that matter, if that's their thing. It also just so happens that the market seems to demonstrably prefer overtly sexual designs meant to appeal to straight males, and the data overwhelmingly supports this, and it's business 101 to cater to the demands of the marketplace, as trying to shift those demands almost never works out.

It's interesting, I don't restrict my daughter from anything unless it has sexual violence, like say Berserk and the like, but she's naturally taken to avoiding IP with overtly sexual content. She calls it "booty stuff" and doesn't care for it. In a loose sense, I'd think that means that the folks bitching about sexual content in games are actually kind of placing it on a pedestal and making it more attractive to people, more desirable. It's not unlike how America demonizes alcohol to such a large degree in most public and federal institutions, yet we have some of the worst alcohol related crime rates in the world. Many European nations have much less rigid views on alcohol consumption, and also far less alcohol related crimes.

I don't think people like being restricted in any capacity. It just doesn't make anything better....ever. Now yes, we can try to make the argument that criticism is not restriction, but look at what's happened in the AAA space with so many safe "inclusive" designs, and how almost all the games that adopt such a design philosophy crater spectacularly. Criticism, when performed en masse on a public forum, takes the practical form of a call for restriction, a call that is often misunderstood by publishers at large to be an opinion with consensus among the greater populace when it's anything but. This has led to literal billions of dollars lost for the industry right now, something that simply would not have ever happened if not for this push, (perceptibly massive though certainly not the case, as said push was organized and perpetuated by an extremely vocal and antagonistic minority), for inclusivity and "maturity" in character designs, particularly in the west.

I know I know, you're thinking, "Well I'm not advocating for restriction Poodaddy, I'm merely advocating against those complaining about the less sexual, more mature designs that have become more commonplace and in keeping with industry standards in the past fifteen years." And you're right, I get that and you certainly have a point. Here's the thing; the market has spoken, and they don't want those designs. Whether that's unfortunate or fortunate is subjective, but it's objective fact that this inclusivity push, this DEI push, this agenda push, this "mature" push, has categorically and catastrophicly failed, and to no small amount of glee and applause by the game enthusiast public at large, much to the chagrin of the mainstream media and publishers who were leading the charge. It turns out that games are meant to just be fun, they're not necessarily meant to appeal to our "better nature" and to help us "mature"; they're simply meant to be fun, and it turns out, well....sex is fun.

Whoda thunk it?
 
Personally, I could feel the creep of it start in Naughty Dog games, and it slowly but surely escalated.
Naughty Dog is such an interesting case. They changed VERY early on. Way sooner than many assume. Back in old 1992, they saw fit to include a topless woman as part of their dev credit in Rings of Power (via a code). Later, in 96, you've got Crash Bandicoot where Crash's girlfriend Tawna has a very exaggerated female form. And then, in just one year, we get the complete removal of Tawna's existence. The next female Bandicoot, now a sister instead of a girlfriend, is Coco who seems to be the exact opposite of Tawna. I don't remember any real backlash to this. It was a different time. Devs could make such choices without being called out for being "woke," and were allowed to simply change their priorities as they saw fit.

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Kenneth Haight

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Most of 18-30yo guys are virgins or had no sex in a year, bro, men start at the bottom of the mountain, aka 0 sexual value, we gotta work hard to change that, its not a shame to be incel when u are young adult male, its actually perfectly normal.
Your posts are increasingly vitriolic and fucked up mate. No one starts with any sexual value male or female, you think the world somehow owes you a sexual experience?

Where are these facts coming from that most 18-30 year old guys are virgins 😂😂😂
 

LRKD

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I think, if you believe in "wokeness", the inevitable end conclusion you must reach is that all modern media is woke, and always has been. That even when you see what you think is a non-woke piece of media, that it is in fact "woke" because of the 100 years of other woke media pushing society in that direction.

like you take 10 "non-woke" people today, and have them write a script, take it back 100 years, and you'll be called degenerate, woke, ect. A woman can't do this, she shouldn't dress like that, why is there even a black man in the story at all? So even when it isn't woke, it's still woke, because your whole life has been influenced by not just the woke media you consumed growing up, but also your parents and grandparents.

But if you want to just go for a normie opinion of wokeness, sometime around 2010. It had likely been infiltrating for longer, but 2010 is when it started having visible effects. By 2015 it had taken over
 

ShirAhava

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Tomb Raider Underworld was a GREAT game! There was no reason or need for a reboot other than to be WOKE!
The devs were talking about "fixing lara" why fix something that wasn't broken....I knew something was up
Gone Home was the same year but Tomb Raider came out first and was a bigger deal

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JayK47

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Good thread. I have such little time to game lately, I have to be picky. I no longer want to support "woke" and/or DEI in gaming. It never makes a game better. If I see or hear even the slightest amount is in a game, I will likely pass on it or only get it for a steep discount years later. I have so many other good games to play, I will probably never even get around to it. When I place an iffy game on my wishlist and end up playing it years later, I rarely wish I had picked it up earlier. Games like Far Cry 6 are so much worse than previous titles, I would have been better off never playing it.
 

TGO

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Early 2010's
I'd say it was more noticeable in gaming then anywhere else up until 2016 where it had reached the masses and could been seen more obviously in other media, by 2019 everyone in the world was aware of it and the damage from it being evident to people who disregard it before.
Sadly some still do disregard it.
 

IAmRei

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i think as far as 2011-2013...?
I forgot when, but i saw some of weirdness in Borderlands 2, where the mission of small village, which we kill annoying male, and it's not necessary to kill him because of the oppressed widow or something like that back then. back then i was younger and don't suspect much but feels weird. i think it's started to be seen clearly at 2014 - 2015 or maybe more or less. started with feminism, and then the things are the rest usual we know.
 

PeteBull

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Your posts are increasingly vitriolic and fucked up mate. No one starts with any sexual value male or female, you think the world somehow owes you a sexual experience?

Where are these facts coming from that most 18-30 year old guys are virgins 😂😂😂
BS, women start with their youth/beauty/fertility/chastity, aka what all men want/look for, how deranged some1 gotta be to not understand basic biology, especially as a guy to not know what we, guys, looking for in women...
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Here u go, just watch this short clip, girl is pretty avg and got bodycount over 1,5k, to get that as a male(and not pay for sex/not use hookers), u need to be a-tier celeb/top professional athelete
 
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Boss Man

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Ugh, why do you guys care so much?

When we race swap your favorite protagonists and make them non-binary at tremendous financial risk to our companies, it’s just sort of happening by accident we don’t “care” about it like you do! Stop talking about it!!!
 

Boss Man

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My issue is both side have become overly paranoid.

One side calling every little thing "problematic" and other calling everything "woke".

Personally all I care about is creative freedom, even its something I dont like devs should have every right to make them with no restriction.
Ok but are we allowed to not like it?

We can’t even publish mods to revert these things without them getting taken down. Anyone on the left appealing to “freedom” is automatically arguing in bad faith IMHO.
 

Kenneth Haight

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BS, women start with their youth/beauty/fertility/chastity, aka what all men want/look for, how deranged some1 gotta be to not understand basic biology, especially as a guy to not know what we, guys, looking for in women...
I genuinely feel sorry for you. You need to get laid but I guess that’s the problem 😂
 

Melon Husk

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2012 Kotaku / Gamasutra. Mostly started as just articles and pressure campaigns criticizing things like Catwoman in Arkham City. DOA6 started changing designs. Anita Sarkeesian videos. Took another 10 years for full blown projects to materialize with this stuff planned in from the beginning.

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Danjin44

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Ok but are we allowed to not like it?

We can’t even publish mods to revert these things without them getting taken down. Anyone on the left appealing to “freedom” is automatically arguing in bad faith IMHO.
Of course. I don’t like the fact Kojima is using famous Hollywood actors as characters in Death Stranding but at same time it’s his game so he has every right to do it.
 

Boss Man

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Of course. I don’t like the fact Kojima is using famous Hollywood actors as characters in Death Stranding but at same time it’s his game so he has every right to do it.
Then what’s the issue exactly?

Have you seen someone calling for these white liberal women’s arrest over making political creative decisions we dislike?
 

Putonahappyface

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Most of 18-30yo guys are virgins or had no sex in a year, bro, men start at the bottom of the mountain, aka 0 sexual value, we gotta work hard to change that, its not a shame to be incel when u are young adult male, its actually perfectly normal.
I swear I read that and heard Andrew Tate's voice.

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We can’t even publish mods to revert these things without them getting taken down.
I mean you can, you'd just need to publish them on your own platform. Not that I agree or disagree with taking mods down, but it's up to the platform owners as to what content they want to allow.
 
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Idleyes

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“Woke” is yet another slang term that has been co‐opted and misconstrued. In today’s gaming circles, a certain demographic uses “woke” in a way that hardly resembles its original meaning within Black communities.

Initially, “woke” was about being watchful and aware of racial and social injustice. Now, it’s tossed around as a catch‐all insult for supposedly “overly political” or “forced” social justice efforts, essentially flipping its original intent. To me, that shift was unnecessary and even counterproductive.

“Woke” could have held onto its core purpose: a call to stay vigilant in the face of injustice, open to anyone to use. Instead, it’s become a label to dismiss anything deemed “too progressive” or “politically correct” by a specific group. This unfortunate misuse reflects more about those who wield it in that way than it does about the issues it was meant to spotlight.
 

Boss Man

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I mean you can, you'd just need to publish them on your own platform. Not that I agree or disagree with taking mods down, but it's up to the platform owners as to what content they want to allow.
I didn’t say they were doing anything illegal, it’s just disingenuous to talk about “creative freedom” from an ideology that enthusiastically supports censorship and routinely seeks to destroy people for posts they made online in 2013.
 
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PeteBull

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“Woke” is yet another slang term that has been co‐opted and misconstrued. In today’s gaming circles, a certain demographic uses “woke” in a way that hardly resembles its original meaning within Black communities.

Initially, “woke” was about being watchful and aware of racial and social injustice. Now, it’s tossed around as a catch‐all insult for supposedly “overly political” or “forced” social justice efforts, essentially flipping its original intent. To me, that shift was unnecessary and even counterproductive.

“Woke” could have held onto its core purpose: a call to stay vigilant in the face of injustice, open to anyone to use. Instead, it’s become a label to dismiss anything deemed “too progressive” or “politically correct” by a specific group. This unfortunate misuse reflects more about those who wield it in that way than it does about the issues it was meant to spotlight.
Like all the feminist cucks like to point out all the time- context matters, so ofc in this contex ur old/original definition of woke is not accurate, and ours is :)
 
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pudel

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I didn’t say they were doing anything illegal, it’s just disingenuous to talk about “creative freedom” from an ideology that enthusiastically supports censorship and routinely seeks to destroy people for posts they made online in 2013.
You should always check this site for anything which is been taken down by Nexus. Nexus censorship sucks nowadays....true. Especially as its a very one-sided censorship. I hope new "alternatives" will establish soon.
 

PeteBull

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To all my male femnists GAF-bros defending wokeness, remember women find u disgusting and they crave guys who arent for the 50-50 , so no point pretending u are their ally anyways :D
This skit wouldnt be so funny if it wasnt so true:
 

Idleyes

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Like all the feminist cucks like to point out all the time- context matters, so ofc in this contex ur old/original definition of woke is not accurate, and ours is :)

I’m not saying the original definition is the only one that matters. I’m simply pointing out that ‘woke’ originated in Black communities and was later appropriated by others, those are just the facts. Creating new slang isn’t that difficult, my community does it constantly, and we’re certainly not the only ones. I wonder why appropriation was even necessary in the first place? I mean, aside from the obvious hostility behind it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Boss Man

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I would add something that I think a lot of people on the left misunderstand about this: it’s not even the magnitude of the progressive politics that annoys most people.

In a vacuum, we could play and enjoy a good game with an extremely progressive story.

The biggest problem is that it’s in virtually every single game or piece of media that we consume. This is partly geographic (CA), partly temperamental (creativity is legitimately just a more LW trait), partly structural, and partly pressure from the last decade of doxxing and harassment campaigns from the left.

The second biggest problem is how ham-fisted and unsophisticated it is. Like, the white lady from Toronto is going to educate someone who lives next to a ghetto in Mississippi by race-swapping a video game character and making him act white. It’s essentially always the same, “See, X can do Y!” message coming from the most insulated white people on the planet and it’s absolutely child brained.
 
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PeteBull

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I’m not saying the original definition is the only one that matters. I’m simply pointing out that ‘woke’ originated in Black communities and was later appropriated by others, those are just the facts. Creating new slang isn’t that difficult, my community does it constantly, and we’re certainly not the only ones. I wonder why appropriation was even necessary in the first place? I mean, aside from the obvious hostility behind it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All i gotta say, man, as a proud pole, we got actually pretty decent history with figting for black slaves against their white masters.
 

Hector Hall

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The first DEI executive order of Obama was 2011, after that you need a couple years to see actual products taking this into account, those years saw the push of outlets like Kotaku and Euro gamer with weird articles about video game tropes or sexuality or Queer in the Persona series.
2014-2015 saw the first big push with the likes of Sarkesian lecturing everyone on feminism and toxic masculinity etc, but had the first big pushback with Gamersgate, it was a brief respite though, by 2018-2019
with KC Deliverance and Days Gone for example it was already a thing with many outlets pushing narratives and agendas, and by 2020 and after Biden DEI EO most big developers had already in house "diversity" staff or hired external activists to implement it, and that has been the status quo until end 2024 when the pushback and political movements have started to revert it a bit. This is my remembering and views on this, and only speaking about Occidental developers, fortunately oriental ones have not implemented it or done it in a very superficial way (because in my view they don't even understand very well what madness befalls the west).
 

peek

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Start could be different based on how aggressive you see the trend being. However, 2020 is when it REALLY ramped up and just went overboard.

In a way its a good thing, it got so over the top and obvious that 2020 was actually the start of the end. People seem to be so over it now.
 
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"white hetero male"
Not even white, white-passing. Mixed people have it the worst from both ends.
Had a friend who wasn't white by the US census definition, but was white-passing, and went by the name BJ. He lived in the projects, and when we hung out at his place, we had to sit away from the windows to avoid stray gunfire.

He still got told he had white privilege, typically by people who, ironically, were white, while at the same time, being ostracized by his own community for not being "dark" enough.
 
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PeteBull

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Bro, what dimension did that response come from? What does that have to do with what I just said?
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U tried to play race card and teach me stuff i knew, so i taught u some stuff back, seems pretty fair, most of the world who has sane views on this topic and hates wokeism/feminism isnt what u think it is, ofc they dont teach that stuff in gender studies, they like to hide/change history there ;)
 
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