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[AniHawk]

I dont see why everyone thinks that wind waker is a bad sequel. The graphics were fantastic, the characters were great and it had a just as epic ending as Ocarina of Time.

I want to ask a question about the wind waker so i will ask it in this thread instead of starting a new one

Spoiler

SPOILER: When ganondorf wished for hyrule to be dried up or whatever and let him have hyrule, would that mean that he would rule the world that link and tetra lived on, since the islands they live on were the mountaintops of hyrule?

Spoiler

He wanted to rule the ancient Hyrule under the ocean. The one from the Hero of Time era. It was basically the same thing Daphnes wanted. Realizing that they wanted the same thing, Daphnes decided to drown Hyrule instead.

As said before, I think it's my favorite franchise, Mario being the best.

 

[NLB2]

There's more to Castlevania than there is to Zelda?

 

[Mejilan]

Ganon has succeeded in acquiring the Triforce in the past. What causes the Triforce to scatter is when someone with an inbalanced heart tries to make a wish. He'll only keep the part of the Triforce more attuned with his heart, and to make a true wish, would have to reunite the other parts of the Triforce, as Ganon succeeded in doing at the end of WW. However, Daphnes beat him to the punch, as far as making a wish was concerned. He probably also wished that the Triforce scatter again, in case Link failed in stopping Ganon.

Edit - I can see how someone might think that there isn't enough story to the Zelda franchise, but it has some of the most robust gameplay I've ever experienced!

 

[AeroGod]

Oh sorry.

Actually I think that's even worst than the thing I thought you said.

Why? The storylines are juvenile at best and bring nothing in terms of character development or anything seriously memorable about any of them, at least not when compared to other franchises. The music is purely driven by nostalgia. You hear the Hyrule theme or the dungeon theme slightly remixed 10 years later and all of a sudden the game has good music, even thoug h youve been listening to the same thing for 4 games. Compare to other franchises, like Final Fantasy, where each game you're getting 100-150 brand new tracks, character's own theme music, vocalized tracks, etc etc. Its just so much better then what the Zelda series has been dwelling on for ages and ages. There are no character voices either, and its been a staple of the Zelda franchise. When you have developers who are going out on limb, risking the fact they could ruin an otherwise great game with horrible voice acting, and they bring something really great to the game that adds to everything when they find talented voice actors. Those franchises are much more deserving.

And thats not even the half of it

Anyways, argue all you want, im not going to get into a heated debate though. The question was asked, and I responded. When Nintendo brings me a game with all the proper production values in place, then ill rethink it.

 

[Mejilan]

Because it isn't the gameplay that matters.

Just some insipid narrative that can't compare to a good book, crappy voice acting that can't compare to a good movie, that do matter? That's a pretty lame argument. As for music, almost every single song from one major Zelda game to the next is new. They don't even USE the "classic Zelda theme" in every game, just so you know.

Either way, it's silly to compare an adventure game with a traditional RPG, as you do.

 

[AniHawk]

Why? The storylines are juvenile at best and bring nothing in terms of character development or anything seriously memorable about any of them

I dunno. I'd say TWW had that, MM had that, and to an extent, even LA had that.

 

[MrCheez]

Would you consider Zelda the best franchise ever?

No considering required, I know it is.

 

[AeroGod]

Either way, it's silly to compare an adventure game with a traditional RPG, as you do.

No its not. He said best franchise ever, not best adventure franchise. Its all fair game.

Just some insipid narrative that can't compare to a good book, crappy voice acting that can't compare to a good movie, that do matter? That's a pretty lame argument. As for music, almost every single song from one major Zelda game to the next is new. They don't even USE the "classic Zelda theme" in every game, just so you know.

it all matters. If you want gameplay, go take 20 bucks and buy a couple old SNES or NES action games that can last you a month or 2. If im paying 50 dollars for a game, I want as much as I can get out of it. Story, music, acting. Acting and everything. it makes me appreciate the developers even more, and justify every penny I paid for it,

 

[psycho_snake]

Spoiler

He wanted to rule the ancient Hyrule under the ocean. The one from the Hero of Time era. It was basically the same thing Daphnes wanted. Realizing that they wanted the same thing, Daphnes decided to drown Hyrule instead.

As said before, I think it's my favorite franchise, Mario being the best.

I know that he wanted to rule the ancient hyrule, but would that also mean that he is going to rule hyrules mountaintops, where everyone lives?

 

[Kobun Heat]

I just got, yesterday, the Classic NES series original for the GBA. Plugged it in while in the crapper, heard the original title screen music, and got chills.

...you're sure it's not because your pants were down?

 

[AniHawk]

I know that he wanted to rule the ancient hyrule, but would that also mean that he is going to rule hyrules mountaintops, where everyone lives?

Well it would have probably screwed up their civilization. I don't think it was a factor in his decision. He just wanted to go back to how everything was before Hyrule was drowned.

 

[Mejilan]

Hahaha, Kobun. :-D It IS summer here, you know. Maybe you didn't.

Well, my point about Zelda is that, I don't think voice acting and narrative should necessarily apply when deciding whether it is worthy of being the greatest franchise or not. Lots of people consider Mario to be the greatest because (in their opinions) there are no greater platformers out there, not because they have incredible stories or crystal clear and intelligent voice acting.

For me, getting the most bang for my buck means getting the best gameplay for the dollar, not the most extraneous features. I could see why those features you mentioned would NOT be considered extraneous in a traditional RPG, I suppose, but those standards certainly cannot apply to all genres.

 

[psycho_snake]

Well it would have probably screwed up their civilization. I don't think it was a factor in his decision. He just wanted to go back to how everything was before Hyrule was drowned.

would that mean that everyone would be back down on hyrule?

 

[Mejilan]

He probably just meant that if the world was restored to its former self, most people would rather NOT remain on very isolated moutain top villages.

 

[psycho_snake]

that seems to make sense to me. If everyone would go back down to hyrule, which would be the most sensibel thing to do because no one would live that far over ground level and as anihawk said, it would ruin their civilisation since they have no means of transport. Anyway they would all be under his reign and if he has the trifoce with him, no one could stop him.

 

[Mejilan]

With the full triforce in hand, all civilization would essentially be under Ganon's control regardless. I think you're looking too deeply into things, however.

 

[psycho_snake]

With the full triforce in hand, all civilization would essentially be under Ganon's control regardless. I think you're looking too deeply into things, however.

yeah, Im always like that Ive got to find a logical explanation to everything

 

[psycho_snake]

btw mejilan, your avater OWNZ!!!!!!!!!!11111!1!!!1

 

[Mejilan]

Thanks, if you see Ryu post (he does so only rarely) he'd be the one to thank. He bought the toys before me, made that animated gif, and is currently hosting it.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Why? The storylines are juvenile at best and bring nothing in terms of character development or anything seriously memorable about any of them, at least not when compared to other franchises. The music is purely driven by nostalgia. You hear the Hyrule theme or the dungeon theme slightly remixed 10 years later and all of a sudden the game has good music, even thoug h youve been listening to the same thing for 4 games. Compare to other franchises, like Final Fantasy, where each game you're getting 100-150 brand new tracks, character's own theme music, vocalized tracks, etc etc. Its just so much better then what the Zelda series has been dwelling on for ages and ages. There are no character voices either, and its been a staple of the Zelda franchise. When you have developers who are going out on limb, risking the fact they could ruin an otherwise great game with horrible voice acting, and they bring something really great to the game that adds to everything when they find talented voice actors. Those franchises are much more deserving.

And thats not even the half of it

Anyways, argue all you want, im not going to get into a heated debate though. The question was asked, and I responded. When Nintendo brings me a game with all the proper production values in place, then ill rethink it.

Because outside of the music, these things mean nothing to me when talking about games. For stories and character development I read and watch movies/TV. As for voice acting, even when I (rarely) manage to play a game where it's decent, I really don't care. I'm quite happy to read it.

When it comes to music, I was very, very unimpressed with WWs. Funny how I love it throughout the rest of the series if they're all meant to be the same.

I base which are the best franchises on which games of aseries as a whole I had most fun with and were most memorable. Like I say, Metroid probably tops it, but Zeldas up there.

 

[DSN2K]

no.

 

[Bigfoot]

Why does everyone that mentions Metal Gear only mention the Metal Gear Solid games? I think the old 8-bit Metal Gear games are part of the franchise.

Zelda is my second fav franchise, right behind Metroid (the positions were reversed before Metroid Prime). Mario and Sonic are great too, but the latest Sonic games have been disappointing.

If Sands of Time 2 turns out great, Prince of Persia should also be considered one of the best franchises (too bad it disappeared for so long since the first two!).

 

[Mejilan]

Actually, Porthos, before PoP SoT there was a third PoP game, called PoP 3D. I have it for the PC, but I think it also came out for the DC and PSOne. Probably Mac too.

Edit - PoP 3D sucked ass.

 

[AniHawk]

Actually, Porthos, before PoP SoT there was a third PoP game, called PoP 3D. I have it for the PC, but I think it also came out for the DC and PSOne. Probably Mac too.

Edit - PoP 3D sucked ass.

I think it was released under a different name, "Arabian Nights." It was still Prince of Persia though.

I also found a factory sealed copy of Prince of Persia SNES at the store the other day, is that worth anything?

 

[Guzim]

My top three franchises:

1. The Legend of Zelda
2. Final Fantasy
3. Metal Gear

 

[Meier]

Yes, by far.

 

[AniHawk]

...

 

[stonedwal]

I'd give the edge to Mario, mainly because I didn't like the original Legend of Zelda (I guess you had to be there).

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

Affirmative.

 

[En-ou]

yes

 

[jarrod]

Zelda > Street Fighter > Dragon Quest > everything else

 

[cvxfreak]

I would give this to Mario because of his versatility. Although or me, RE is up there.

 

[Hellraizah]

Halo > Splinter Cell > Metal Slug > Contra > Super Monkey Ball

Halo is eligible since it's a thread about a franchise, thus, having no immediate sequels it's still a franchise.

 

[Code_Link]

Zelda? Definitely. It's the only one that consistently mantains the quality of the series with every new release.

And gosh, I hope this doesn't turn out to be another "Why WW isn't a good game" thread.

 

[Boogie9IGN]

It's a tie between Zelda and Shenmue
And please, stop the WW hate, that game owned.

 

[Gattsu25]

there are a lot of series I greatly enjoy and while Zelda games are really fun...I'm not sure if they're that high in my list for most loved franchises anymore

The new GC game might revitalize my interest in the series, but as it stands, I'd have to say 'no'

 

[Gattsu25]

the reason behind my newfound lack of interest in the series has been mentioned before but I think I should at least explain: I feel as though when I play a new Zelda game that I'm playing the same game I played before with some changes...Majora's Mask was the most enjoyment the series has recently given me, and I think it's because of how the game strayed from it's all too familiar aspects. The wind waker was another recent game that I enjoyed in the series, though I only really liked the sailing and the artstyle (though i still hate the art for townspeople)

Not even nostalgia was enough to make me finish LttP for the GBA as it was all too familiar to me...a game I finished multiple times while only beating the SNES version once :\

 

[JavyOO7]

Mario bitchslaps every other series out there. Twice.

 

[Tabris]

Final Fantasy.

 

[Kseutron]

zelda best franchise ever > Yes


mario is solid at second place though

i would say street fighter for 3rd place

 

[Dice]

Mario > Street Fighter > Metroid > Resident Evil (expect this to bump up a notch when I play Outbreak and 4) > Castlevania > Virtua Fighter > Ridge Racer > Several other franchises >>>>> Zelda

I'm not saying Zelda is a bad franchise, but I think it's overrated.

 

[Scrow]

+1 Metroid

I could easily survive on nothing but Metroid and Zelda games.

 

[Ghost]

If we are talking about the Zelda franchise...then does that mean we have to include

&

Less we forget..

I guess Zelda is the best anyway, i cant think of anything else, theres probably something on PC im forgetting.

Ahh, i remembered, Champ Man, best series ever. Sorry Zelda

 

[Scrow]

Less we forget..

isn't that meant to be "lest"? ;P

edit: oh yeah, that's the other great thing about Metroid. Not a single dud in the series yet.

 

[Ghost]

isn't that meant to be "lest"? ;P

Yeah it is.

If i wasnt sooooo lazy id change it.

 

[casmaksen]

Sorry. If God told me I can have only one franchise before I go to heaven, it would be Street Fighter.

Im with this guy. I may not love every sequel but its the only game i could not imagine not have playing.

 

[TigerKnee]

What if you're going to hell?

Then I'd have to work out a deal with Lucifer himself. Although me may punish me with the Deer Hunter franchise

 

[Korranator]

no.

Metroid > Zelda.

Agreed

.........and Metal Gear Solid 2 were just about perfect.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Metal Gear > Mario > Lunar

 

[gofreak]

Mario is the best franchise ever.